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At my wits end re. fiancé and housework (long, sorry)

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Fedupwithmess · 20/02/2015 17:33

Name changed for this, as OH knows MN name, but I am a regular. I apologise in advance for the extremely long post, I just really need to get this off my chest.

Been with OH 3.5 years. Wedding booked for this autumn. Both mid thirties. From the word go, we really “got” each other, had buckets of chemistry and loads of shared interests. We make each other laugh have a good social life both together and separately and are never short on conversation. He is sensible with money, emotionally stable, hates conflict has never been mistrustful or controlling. Lucky me, right?

He is also infuriatingly messy and scatter-brained. I am naturally tidy and organised, and I knew full well when he moved into the house I own 2 years ago that realistically there would be some friction, but it’s got to the point where it’s really wearing me down. It’s like I have to micromanage everything, or it never gets done.

For example, if I don’t remind him it’s bin day, the bin never gets put out, or I end up doing it myself as I just can’t be bothered to remind him a dozen times before he actually does it.
Last month he painted the garden fence and the tin and brush are still out there in the garden getting rained on every day. I keep asking him to bring it in, but he keeps “forgetting”. Ditto with turning the TV off after he’s finished watching it, making the bed when he’s last out of it, changing the toilet roll when he’s used the last of it, removing hair from the plughole after he’s had a bath…

I do the laundry, but only iron my own clothes. He can’t be bothered to iron his, so I leave it in a pile for him to hang up, but he never does and it’s there for days on end, me constantly reminding him to do it, him saying he will, then forgetting. His boss at work reprimanded him because he was such a scruffy state, but even since then he’s refusing to iron his shirts or polish his shoes – he remains insistent that it’s not a priority. I was so worried about him losing his job at one point, that I started doing this for him, hoping it would guilt trip him into doing it himself, but instead of this or even saying thank you, he just said that I was wasting my time!

The other day I asked him to hang a sweater of mine to dry (ie: on a hanger in the utility room). He simply hung it over the door, so it ended up misshapen, then proceeded to smoke in the room, so it stank! Don’t even get me started on the smoking…at first I said fine as long as it’s in the garden, then it was on the back step, then it was in the kitchen with the door constantly wide open, come rain, shine or artic temperatures. I got very upset about this on Monday and now the smoking has moved outside again (he claims he wants to quit and he hates the habit, but that’s another story) There is an ashtray in the garden, but rather than using it, he just throws the fag ends arbitrarily in the garden. I pulled him up on this yesterday and he made some halfhearted apology, but when I went down there again this morning, he’d done exactly the same thing!

Every new item of clothing he has had since we have been together I have bought and paid for because he’s not remotely bothered about his appearance, to the point where he would quite happily walk around with holes in his shoes and trousers. He said he was extremely grateful for the clothes, but still in his eyes they weren’t a priority (He earns good money, it’s not like he can’t afford new clothes) He’s constantly leaving pens in his pockets and I do my best to check them before they go in the washing machine, but not long ago he snuck a pair of trousers in at the last minute and when I took the laundry out at the end EVERYTHING had been covered in permanent marker, including an expensive dress I had only worn once!!

He’ll wash up and hoover if I ask him, but never to the standard I do it, ie: he never rinses the sink so there is always food stuck in the plughole and he never hoovers properly in the corners. I don’t moan about this, because at least doing something is better than nothing. Beyond that, he never notices other cleaning jobs that need doing, so it’s always me that keeps on top of things, not to mention being the only one who notices when household stuff needs replacing and cupboards need tidying.

Admittedly, he is a fantastic cook and will cook perhaps 1-2 times per week. I cook the rest of the time which I don’t mind, as I enjoy cooking and he works longer hours than I do. I am also responsible for all meal planning and buying of food, which again I don’t especially mind, because it means that I get to choose what I want!

He is a highly intelligent man (admittedly more in an intellectual way than a pragmatic way) and he has no problem retaining information relating to other facets of his life, it’s as if it’s in one ear and out the other when it comes to domestic tasks because he places no importance on them. It’s not like he’s a mummy’s boy who’s never had to fend for himself either – he comes from a large family with parents who always encouraged him to stand on his own two feet and he had lived away from home for well over 10 years before he moved in with me. The majority of that time he spent in a shared house, living with women who have now become some of my closest friends. They didn’t mollycoddle him either and apparently used to despair at they mess he made and his lack of common sense. They have nothing but praise for him in every other aspect of his nature though – they see him as their loyal, caring and valued friend.

I have tried to talk to him countless times about how his sloth makes me feel and the impact that it’s having on our otherwise fantastic relationship – I have told him that it’s eroding the love I have for him and what’s more, it’s completely unnecessary as if only he helped a bit more I wouldn’t have to spend my time nagging him – I hate nagging as much as he hates being nagged! I said to him that even if having a clean, tidy, ordered home is not a priority to him in the way it is to me, if he respected me, he would make an effort for my sake. He keeps saying he will (and indeed extends a great deal of respect to me in every other facet of our relationship) but the effort is always incredibly short lived. I tried the trick of stopping doing anything for him and he didn’t even notice, it just drove me nuts! He claims that he hates being micromanaged and that he just wants to be his own person. He seemed to be under the impression that I actually enjoyed being some sort of bloody site foreman!

I suppose the issue of our domestic compatibility is weighing heavier on my mind than usual because of our imminent wedding. I can’t stress how much in EVERY other respect I couldn’t ask for a more compatible partner an at 36 and wanting kids I certainly wouldn’t want to start all over again, but now I’m starting to imagine a life with him post wedding with children of our own. Surely the strain of our domestic situation will only get worse, given the chaos that small children can cause. I fear this issue might encroach on the other otherwise happy areas of our life to the extent where it damages our relationship irreparably. I know it sounds horribly calculating, but I am the one with all the finances assets in our relationship, so I certainly don’t want to be going through a divorce 5 years down the line.

What is your take on my situation? Am I being overly fussy and petty? How do you cope if you have a DH who doesn’t pull him weight domestically? Would this be a deal breaker for you if the relationship was otherwise great? How the hell do I move forward with this issue?

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QuintessentiallyInShade · 25/02/2015 11:27

His twin is the most clean-cut, super sensible / tidy / routine loving person you could ever meet. It’s never even crossed my mind before that his polar opposite identity could be a direct response to this?

Could you perhaps marry the twin?

Or, let me guess, he has been happily married for years.....

wotoodoo · 25/02/2015 11:31

Your fiance is about to enter into a whole new set of roles and responsibilities upon marriage to you:

Husband
Property Owner
Father

When he has not even passed the toddler stage of responsibilities! (picking things off the floor) And is resistant to enter beyond a teenager stage where he has to think of and be considerate of others.

When you have a baby, you want a father the dc can look up to as their role model. Remember, action speaks louder than words.

You enable him to be like he is by constantly picking up after him, writing him lists, constantly having talks about his behaviour, he goes along with your nagging to appease you, for a while.

So op, what sort of role model is your fiance? Any son you have will think his behaviour is normal. And he will be the role model of male behaviour for any daughter you have.

You seem to love chivvying and chiding your fiance. He IS your child.

QuintessentiallyInShade · 25/02/2015 11:36

Op, is this your first Proper or Serious relationship?

I am beginning to wonder what you have to compare this man, and this relationship with, for you to behave like this, and still keep trying to move a mountain!

TheBug · 25/02/2015 11:54

Any man who doesn't manage to clean, iron and put away is a Despicable Little Excuse of a Boy.

There's a training programme in that, like British Military Fitness, but with tidying and lists.

AWholeLottaNosy · 25/02/2015 12:03

I used to have a partner who had been a colonel in the army. His flat was spotless! Beautifully made bed, impeccably ironed clothes ( he'd even iron my clothes). Army training! All men should have it! Kinda wished I'd had it as I'm a bit of a slob myself...

Fedupwithmess · 25/02/2015 12:19

Op, is this your first Proper or Serious relationship?

This is far from my first proper or serious relationship. While I don't wish to pick over my previous relationship history I have lived with partners before and each of those relationships lasted several years. The most significant one ended because my partner died.

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QuintessentiallyInShade · 25/02/2015 12:21

Were they all this messy and manipulative then, if you cant see that this man is not good family material? I honestly thought you had nothing to compare a good relationship to.

I am sorry you lost your significant other. Flowers

QuintessentiallyInShade · 25/02/2015 12:22

What another previous poster said about this man creating additional work for you rather than sharing domestic chores, really resonates.

rosepetalsoup · 25/02/2015 12:37

Come on go easy on the OP -- she's going to get married soon, and she sounds like a very nice woman. I think the real truth is she's got one of those unusual partners. Not a 'pretending to be an arty genius' partner but really a truly unusual character with a slightly different emotional makeup to most men. Most replies have related this man's behaviour to very common ideas of masculine entitlement and laziness, but I think maybe he is different. More naive and odd-of-mind.

There are some men like that. The upside is he will probably always be very trustworthy and loyal, the downside is he won't notice things normal people would. I think his response to the way OP has (repeatedly) talked to him about this issue is very positive. He has not argued or been petty, he really has listened to her.

OP it is a lifestyle choice but not the one people are necessarily making out here. Are you happy to be with someone a bit weird (but I'm sure also a bit magical) for life or would you prefer someone more average? Marriage is always taking a chance on the other person.

rosepetalsoup · 25/02/2015 12:39

OP does he ever buy you flowers? Does he understand when you've got your period and need a hot water bottle? Has he ever bought anything for the house? Can he drive?

BathtimeFunkster · 25/02/2015 12:45

Oh FFS, he's not "weird".

He's not some special snowflake who needs special consideration because he's so amazingly clever and eccentric.

Despite how much he (and his delusional fiancée) would like to imagine he is.

He's just a person. He has eyes and a brain and hands to do work.

Nobody needs a free pass on being a decent, kind human being because they are speshul.

And giving them one really is treating them as a pet.

rosepetalsoup · 25/02/2015 12:49

I'm trying to see things from the OP's perspective, not just a general perspective of what all men are like.

Having someone who does half the housework does not guarantee your relationship will last the years, unfortunately. She loves this guy!

Fedupwithmess · 25/02/2015 12:50

I think the real truth is she's got one of those unusual partners. Not a 'pretending to be an arty genius' partner but really a truly unusual character with a slightly different emotional makeup to most men. Most replies have related this man's behaviour to very common ideas of masculine entitlement and laziness, but I think maybe he is different. More naive and odd-of-mind.
This is spot on.

OP does he ever buy you flowers? Does he understand when you've got your period and need a hot water bottle? Has he ever bought anything for the house? Can he drive? Yes to all of these except buying stuff for the house.

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BathtimeFunkster · 25/02/2015 12:57

Having someone who does half the housework is about a million times more important than someone who brings you flowers when you are raising children together.

Maybe he's had a breakthrough, I hope Fedup is suitably sceptical, but it's possible.

But loving him now is not a good reason to live with his slobbishness, marry him, or give him half the value of her house.

Love can't beat disrespect over the long term.

Advising a young woman not to make a poor choice of husband when she still has so many options seems kinder than encouraging her to make a "lifestyle choice" to spend her life being disrespected.

"All men" are not like anything. This thread is about the poor behaviour of this specific man.

BathtimeFunkster · 25/02/2015 13:00

This is spot on.

That's not spot on about anybody.

But sure, make the "lifestyle choice" to keep a husband as an exotic pet.

Mylifepart2 · 25/02/2015 13:09

*I think the real truth is she's got one of those unusual partners. Not a 'pretending to be an arty genius' partner but really a truly unusual character with a slightly different emotional makeup to most men. Most replies have related this man's behaviour to very common ideas of masculine entitlement and laziness, but I think maybe he is different. More naive and odd-of-mind.
This is spot on. *

Spot on PA - him and Spot on Co-Dep - her.

A walking wounded pet project.

rosepetalsoup · 25/02/2015 13:10

She's not a 'young woman' (sorry OP)!!

Ultimately OP people on here are only going to be able to see according to experiences they've had. Yes, the majority of women whose husbands don't do anything round the house end up pissed off and falling out of love.

I can tell what kind of partner you've got, and I think it would be ok in the long run if you carry on setting down firm boundaries and telling him what you need. He says he doesn't want to be micromanaged. Just explain that you dearly wish you wouldn't have to micromanage him, and that that's what you both should be aiming for. I think he sounds nice, and miles better than most of the DH's mentioned on other threads in Relationships

Courage! When exactly is the wedding?

Re. my list all but one is not bad. Perhaps he needs to be told that you feel the house to be an extension of you, rather than an impersonal box in which he keeps his stuff. There will be a way of explaining this to him that he will understand.

rosepetalsoup · 25/02/2015 13:12

Life isn't 100% pragmatic you know!! It is ok to still marry for love and work really hard to sort out incompatibility.

QuintessentiallyInShade · 25/02/2015 13:13

If that was spot on, I wonder if you are as do-lally and snowflakey as him.... Hmm

Joysmum · 25/02/2015 13:14

Trainng your partner. Its the saddest thing to have to teach them that you do housework with your hands, not your vagina

Wow you must hang about with some very strange people! Even my female friends who also had every thing done for them in the past and didn't have the first clue about cooking and cleaning would realise that a vaginia doesn't form part of the kit required to run a home. You'd get streaks if you tried to use your vagina! Grin

I don't see this as an issue of sexism, I see it as an issue of training. I've trained my child to be a self sufficient adult who can run a household, but there are many adults out there who didn't get this and need that training now to make up the shortfall of realising just what is involved. If they don't know it's not a big deal as they don't understand.

I like the word training, because it's skills and a mindset that does require training and then practice if you don't have it.

For those who have chosen well their partners will get there in time. For those who are with passive aggressive or selfish partners they won't.

Hope you have one of the good guys OP, I'm sure having read this you'll be on the look out for those red flags indicating he's not. Wink

Mylifepart2 · 25/02/2015 13:15

Show this thread to your Mum.

rosepetalsoup · 25/02/2015 13:16

Obviously they are pretty similar to each other, just she is averaging 5 years more mature than him and is hyper-home-conscious whereas he is the opposite.

MrsJohnLewis · 25/02/2015 13:18

When he says he 'just wants to be his own person' isn't that just another way of saying 'I don't want to have to care about anyone else'?

BathtimeFunkster · 25/02/2015 13:29
Grin

Yeah, I always think people who don't want fag butts flicked all over their garden (for their parents to pick up) have ridiculously high standards.

Some people are just so clever that it is actually impossible for their huge brains to fit consideration for other humans because of all the important thoughts.

Fedupwithmess · 25/02/2015 13:32

Could you perhaps marry the twin? Haha! Fortunately I'm not remotely attracted to his twin! In fact, his twin has no interest in getting married or having kids or doing anything except remaining in his hometown in an unchallenging job.

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