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I've acted like a crazy woman and want to know if I can fix it

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Sallyanna1 · 19/02/2015 21:06

I can't even tell anyone in real life what I am going to post here because I'm ashamed of myself but I feel really bad and just want some advice on how to fix it.

I am 37 and had a really bad experience two years ago when I found my then fiance on a dating website looking for casual sex among other things. He had a whole secret double life of prostitute use and webcam sex. I found he'd been on there for a over a year, a few months before he proposed and had just been a completely diferrent person to the lovely man I thought he was.

I had to cancel the wedding and spent a long time in counselling. I am feeling much stronger. I got myself back together, got a great new job, built myself a wonderful social life, lost a lot of weight and re-did my hair, bought a whole new wardrobe and generally took care of myself and feel good again and am enjoying life a lot.

I have dated 4 people since then. The first two I was still not ready and the third was not a good fit.

The fourth one came along and I really thought it was going wonderful but have completely ruined it and want some advice on how to fix it, or if it is best to walk away and chalk it down to a loss.

I was out with friends and I could see him staring at me across the bar and he came over to talk to me eventually and took my number. He phoned me the same night to ask me out. We ended up talking on the phone and he was quite lovely really and I started to like him back. He seemed to "get" me and the first date we had just went on for hours and passed in seconds and the second date was the same.

He was very into me, doing all the right things. He called every day, he was asking all the time when the next date could happen. He said the time couldn't pass quick enough. He was letting me know he thought about me as soon as he woke up. We were just getting on great and I was full of butterflies.

He invited me out with his friends on Valentines day and said he'd told them all about me.

Then it all went wrong. I was with a friend setting her up a dating profile two weeks ago and I could not believe it when we searched for men for her and the man I was dating who seemed so lovely and so into me appeared! I was just bowled over with shock, and it said he had been online that day!

I asked him directly about it, and he said that he had put it up before we met and that he checked it out of habit or something to click on and that there was no one else he was interested in or talking to. He was very insistent that he needed me to believe what he was saying because he did not want doubts over something silly to ruin what looked to be something potentially wonderful. He told me I had no competition at all and he liked me very much and wanted to keep seeing me and only me.

Anyway, I just couldn't let it go, so found myself checking constantly and getting completely paranoid if he was online on whataspp and not texting me or if he checked his dating profile :( It ended in me sending him a very long and totally embarrassing email telling him I didn't believe him for a second that there was no one else and to never come near me again.

Reading back that email that was two pages long (the horror) it was all basically words I wnated to direct at my ex, and they were not meant for this man at all. We had not had any talk about being exclusive, and I was totally unreasonable and acted like a mad person.

He only replied in a very short message to say it was a shame, but if that was what I wanted he would respect my wishes.

I was mortified afterwards and realised he'd not done anything wrong so after a week of blanking him, I messaged him to tell him I was sorry, that I had some scars on me from my past and that made me perhaps a bit delicate and untrusting and that I really regretted what I did.

I asked him if he would consider please going out with me again because I regretted ending it. He said yes of course, and it was all right and not to worry about it.

The problem is, that was four days ago and he's not called or texted to suggest a day. He is away right now on a course and he is back on Saturday and he's not made any suggestion about seeing me.

In fact, he doesn't text me at all anymore, or call. He does reply to my texts instantly (I have been very sparing with them so as not to make things worse) but he responds only with short responses like "sounds lovely x" and obviously there's a very clear shift in his interest level.

I am just unsure what to do. I liked this man very much, and I know I have blown it and really made a bad impression of myself but I am honestly a good person, honestly not desperate but I do genuinely want to see him again and have a chance to put this right.

He knows a very small part of my history, but I obviously missed out the details. I just said I was engaged once and he turned out to be a cheat. That was it.

Should I suggest we set a date for the date and actually ask what day is good for him? Even thought it is obvious he is no longer that keen? He might be just being polite saying he still wants to go out with me?

Or should I leave him alone and hope he contacts me? The last two days I did not text him at all and he has not texted me, even though I have seen him online multiple times. It's pretty clear he's gone off me.

I do really want to be able to have a relationship again, and feel so bad that I reacted like this.

Please tell me how to play this.

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Cabrinha · 22/02/2015 00:27

Please god you're not going to meet him.

This is going to be hurtful, but you need to hear this.

Your rational side isn't interested in him.
You're desperate for him to like you.
He can SEE that desperation. He sees you coming back for more when his options are still open.
That's why he suddenly ramped up the sex texts.
Because he knows you'll go for it now.

He is treating you worse than a prostitute. Prostitution is a disgusting but sometimes vaguely honest transaction where the woman knows she is getting money for her body.

You'll get nothing but manipulation and grief, for yours.

Please please think carefully about seeing this man.

Counselling is fine, but I think you would do to look at WA's freedom programme, because right now you're way to vulnerable to nasty manipulative types.

SensationalGirl · 22/02/2015 06:10

I don't get the whole hate towards him. What's he done wrong?

The OP has behaved really badly and a bit crazy honestly and he's done nothing terrible. He's perfectly allowed to be online while they are casually dating, he's perfectly allowed to be a bit distant after her letter and while he's working away and he's also perfectly allowed to ramp it up sexually in the lead up to the third date.

He may very well be a player but the OP is an adult and perfectly capable of figuring that out for herself. We don't know either of them and I'd never tell her to stay away from a man who could turn out to be really great for her just because they've had a crap start.

Sally, go out with him again, don't sleep with him for at least two months so you can get to know him and keep it fun and friendly. Don't ask for exclusivity so soon, you do not know him well enough yet. Just get to know each other first...take your time, have fun.

Kewcumber · 22/02/2015 13:56

Sensational - I'm absolutely with you. I don't think he's done anything wrong. He might be wrong for you OP or he might indeed be interested in playing the field a bit.

Someone on here gave me a useful bit of advice in the early stages of online dating (in fact any dating) - Spend more time on the date thinking about whether you like them than whether they like you.

I suspect the man I'm seeing is probably a bit of a player but that's ok - I haven't decided if I like him enough yet to be a problem. We have only had a few dates. I'm still in the process of deciding whether I like him enough to care whether he is or not! Smile

beaglesaresweet · 22/02/2015 17:24

I think that as OP hasn't met him online, but he happened to be OD, she has every right to state her terms for dating. She didn't subscribed for OD dating rules , so completely fine to want to multiole-date and tell him so.

Just a simple short phrase of 'I don't use OD and prefer a more traditional dating, which means if you'd like to date me, I'd rather you came off for now - until we know if it's going anywhere'.

He's not an addict to OD opefully so he can surely bear to come off it for few weeks, no need to delete his profile, just hide it. Even people who meet on OD ask this sometimes after couple of dates if they see potential even for sex only - it's absolutely no problem to come off for a while for a non-addict!

And that's it, OP. DO NOT launch n to the long and soul-baring talk as you outlined, it's far too early! If he likes you, he will chase and adapt to you gradually, if not, then you will find out after a few dates that one of yo ulost interest in which case yo uwill feel foolish being so open with him.

beaglesaresweet · 22/02/2015 17:25

*didn't subscribe

beaglesaresweet · 22/02/2015 17:27

*to not want to multiple-date (god, I'm doing well here with the typing)

Kewcumber · 22/02/2015 17:42

she has every right to state her terms for dating

Absolutely.

In fact even if you are online dating you have the right to decide what you want. At what point you say "OK I like you enough to ask to be exclusive" is up to you. Personally after 2 dates I wouldn't but then that's me - OP has every right to say 2 dates is enough to decide but equally any prospective partner has the right to think that's too soon (especially when accompanied by haranguing email!).

Sallyanna1 · 22/02/2015 17:47

Thanks all, going to do exactly what Beagle said. If he shows up!

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alicemalice · 22/02/2015 17:50

I don't think you can ask him to come off online dating. You've only been on 2 dates. But you can say I'm not comfortable going out with someone who's online dating at the same time. There's a subtle but important difference there. No one likes being told what to do.

Sallyanna1 · 22/02/2015 17:53

Yes, I'll say that. I'm just not comfortable with it and not going to pretend to be. It'll just do my head in x

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alicemalice · 22/02/2015 18:03

Dating is a headfuck at times, eh? Smile Good luck!

YNK · 22/02/2015 18:05

Look op, your instinct was right and then you doubted yourself and now your swinging between beating up either him or yourself.
If this goes on then one of you will get hurt, that's for sure, but until then it very important you insist on your boundaries for this 'relationship'. You need to be very clear about this (and mean it).
If that doesn't suit him (and I think it wont) then let him go.

I think you were right but you need to learn to trust your judgement.

Sallyanna1 · 22/02/2015 18:16

Total headfuck, yes.

You're right YNK. I'm just going to try and operate on a basis of speaking carefully and going away for 48 hours to think before I do or say anything because like you say my judgement is skewy.

I do think provided I follow the advice above not to sleep with him for a few months I should be okay. I do need to grow out of this phase and I don't think running away / ignoring or blocking someone who might be completely innocent is something I'll be pleased about later.

I will really keep my guard up though, I completely let it down before and was in a fantasy land

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momb · 22/02/2015 18:27

I think you need to let this one go. Learn from it and move on. Two dates was really nothing and although you got on well it was too soon for either of you to delete your on-line profiles and promise undying love.
I'm sorry this didn't work out as you wanted but he's been quite reasonable and backed right off.
It's a cliché because it's true: there are other fish in the sea.

NoArmaniNoPunani · 22/02/2015 19:07

How did the meet up go?

beaglesaresweet · 22/02/2015 19:09

alice, I wasn't suggesting that OP should 'tell him what to do', but to ask to accept her dating terms to which he fully has a right to say 'yes' or 'no'.

And again, no need for hin to delete his profile - it's about temporarily makign it invisible or just not logging on while they are dating. If it doesn't work for them, then he's not lost anything apart from a few weeks of dating, surely a woman he fancies is worth this easy concession at least! It really should be easy and no big deal to not go online for a while, surely! People who don't date online usually focus on one person at a time after couple of dates.

Sallyanna1 · 22/02/2015 19:36

He cancelled!

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Adarajames · 22/02/2015 19:40

Ah well there's your answer then! Forget him and keep looking (unless he has some very valid reason!)

YNK · 22/02/2015 20:23

There you go OP. Confirmation you were right in the first place.
Next time your spidy senses tingle, trust yourself!

You don't need to go off on one every time you feel someone is raising you heckles though - just neatly sidestep the situation and trust your instincts.

Read this before your next date though.

www.drjoecarver.com/clients/49355/File/IdentifyingLosers.html

Sallyanna1 · 22/02/2015 20:28

Thanks YNK, will have a read.

I'd say the excuse was valid, but definitely it could have been something that made him late, rather than cancelled.

There is my answer I suppose.

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SensationalGirl · 23/02/2015 01:44

Time to step back on this one. He could be a player or he could be scared of you but if a guy really wants you he'll make those dates happen.

I'd put a cancellation down to just not that into you and get back into the dating pool. This does not define you, he's just a guy that doesn't mesh with you.

Cabrinha · 23/02/2015 07:52

I'm glad he cancelled because I think he's a total headfuck (I know it's not the sole opinion on here!) and I think you're far too vulnerable at the moment.

How could you possibly know that his excuse was valid? You can't job the truth and anyone can come up with something that sounds reasonable.

Bottom line, people in first flush don't cancel dates and if they do it's with requests for the alternative date ready.

Move on.

Sallyanna1 · 23/02/2015 09:56

I know he was where he said he was, but he said he'd let me know if he finished early enough to come to mine and I never heard from him and still haven't.

Just going to ignore it now!

Probably good that I noticed something was a little off anyway.

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ElsaLitcha · 23/02/2015 10:06

Probably good that YOU noticed something was a little off?! Shock

Two dates and all of this, I think it's probably the other way round!

Sallyanna1 · 23/02/2015 10:26

I know somethings off with me too, but I have a reason and at least I am honest.

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