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support thread! Marriages in recovery!

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humanmagicmarker · 23/01/2015 13:12

Hello all, I find myself trawling through the posts in this section looking for people in the same boat as me, but I can't find any!

So I've decided to build my own boat and see if anyone wants to join me Smile

My marriage is in recovery after my husband had an affair six months ago, we are both trying very hard to make it work, as the affair was a symptom of the fact that we had drifted from one another (what's with all the boat-y metaphors today?) rather than a need to 'get out' on his part.

It is very hard to learn to trust again and rebuild this from the ground up, and it would be lovely to know if others are facing the same things.

so come join me and lets have a brew xxx

OP posts:
Vivacia · 11/02/2015 07:23

The worry is that the opposite is happening and women are losing a little bit of themselves each day.

brontolo · 11/02/2015 08:26

Vivacia, this thread was started a couple of weeks ago. With the serious difficulties people here are facing, it's going to take a hell of a lot longer than a few weeks for the marriages to recover. It will be a bloody long slog for all concerned but if that's the right thing for an individual to do, then they should do it.

Your continual questioning of why and comments on it being hard work are bringing nothing supportive to this thread. It makes me question (again) why you're even here.

JonesTheSteam · 11/02/2015 08:36

Vivacia

There are posters on this board whose marriages have recovered; admittedly they are few and far between as it can be quite intimidating to post stuff like that on here.

All of them would state that getting through something like this is an incredibly hard, long process. It doesn't happen overnight for goodness sake!

And if someone needs a bit of support along the way then surely that's understandable?

erazer · 11/02/2015 09:20

Well said brontolo and Jones. I could not find the words to reply to Vivacia.

Vivacia · 11/02/2015 09:50

Apologies to all. I was feeling bitter about something this morning and brought it on to this thread. I shouldn't have. I will stop posting here now and wish you the best of luck in your relationships.

lostmummy12 · 11/02/2015 12:06

I don't think vivacia is wrong for posting, seems like she is just playing devils advocate to me and a lot of what she says is what I ask myself on a regular basis,
Me & dh are doing ok at moment, but valentines is gonna be a struggle for me,
He seems to really want to make it special this year, but although I do too, I have a million resentful thoughts in back of my head stopping me from letting myself be "looked after & loved".
Feel the same about upcoming 10yr wedding anniversary , want to celebrate, but part of me thinks it's a bit of a "joke" as we r not really celebrating 10 yrs of happy marriage, more like 8 & 1 yr of cheating & 1 yr of recovering..
I know these thoughts aren't helpful & hold us back, but can't seem to help it at the moment, as much as I want to rebuild & move on...

brontolo · 11/02/2015 12:21

lostmummy12 I can empathise with a lot of that. Valentines (while just a superficial day) is going to be a struggle for me. OH was slap bang in the middle of the affair this time last year. I struggle a lot with memories from the last year, and how they are now all tainted with the knowledge that he was lying to me throughout all of it. He's doing everything he can to move on - and we have good positive days quite often - but the memories can't be undone. And the same for our wedding anniversary. We had 10 years in October and had a weekend away - all seems fake and stupid now. I certainly don't feel our marriage isn't anything to celebrate at the moment.

Gah, having a properly down day after quite a few normal days functioning pretty well.

The MC we are seeing had some really helpful ideas of dealing with the ups and downs which I need to try and use better. The downs are inevitable and the bad memories and negativity will always be there. The MC talked about us needing to have the positive, good times to have the energy to get through the bad times. It won't avoid the bad times, but it will allow us to get through them. So we need to make sure and have the good times too. She also talked a lot about communication and how the bad times are when this is needed most. For me, my communication breaks down when I'm down. I can't articulate what I'm feeling and I just kind of close down. Her view was that this is normal, but that actually what we need most at those times is to keep communicating, keep talking as this will help us through it. It's hard work, and I'm not always successful at doing it. But the times I do focus on it and manage it, I start to feel better more quickly. It also helps OH understand what I need from him at that moment in time. As much as he's responsible for why I feel the way I do, he's also the person who needs to help me get through it.

Not sure if that helps at all, but thought I'd share.

lostmummy12 · 11/02/2015 12:35

Thanks brontolo, that does make sense & it's exactly what I do- shut down,
Think it's because I feelbad for bringing the affair up every time I get a wobble/down day, so stay quiet & keep it all in my head.
I too remember seeing emails last valentines between dh& ow about how she had her valentines meal for one all ready & hoped he had a nice evening at home etc etc ( it was on on/off work affair so whenever they were being just "friends" the emails from her were constant, trying to persuade him away again- I know this now, obv didn't then , but was suspicious enough to want to keep an eye on their contact)
I should prob be telling oh all this instead of u,but it's easier on here!!
Am gonna try to relax on valentines & for anniversay, maybe look at it as the start of next chapter,celebrate our new marriage & not our old one ....although always easier said than done,
But once we get past June, that'll be a year done,so no more "first ....day since the affair" do think that will help xx

brontolo · 11/02/2015 12:59

lostmummy12 the on again off again work affair is similar for me. Sometimes it helps that it wasn't constant, other times it seems totally irrelevant.

You're right that it's somehow easier to express here what we should really be expressing to our OHs. I am making an effort to try and communicate as much as possible, but it's really not always easy. And sometimes I just don't have the energy. Everyday life of work and kids also doesn't make it always possible. But I need to try.

I'm only 6 weeks in so a long way to go of "firsts" for me unfortunately. Can't quite believe it's only been 6 weeks, seems like a lot longer.

lostmummy12 · 11/02/2015 13:09

Wow, only 6 weeks, u r doing well then xx
8ish months here, some days easy, some days not, but in my head less and less, but when it is in my head, just can't shake it...
Think sometimes I bring the affair up to "test " dh aswell & see how committed he is to me/us, again, wrong I know but i feel the need to be selfish more often now than I ever have in the past ,
Here's to more good days than bad, new starts and happy times ??Xx

JonesTheSteam · 11/02/2015 13:36

I totally and utterly empathise with the 'first' anniversary of any important date following the affair. I've hated all of that. First anniversary of when the affair started, of the discovery, first birthday / anniversary / Christmas / New Year etc. I've struggled with them all.

The anniversary of discovering the affair was the end of last month. It was like a massive roadblock in my head, that I had to get past. In the end it was fairly uneventful. I cried a fair bit and we talked a lot and DH was supportive, still willing to listen and answer questions and reassure me.

It was my birthday recently. It was the first major event in our lives that wasn't a 'first anniversary' since discovering DH's affair.

Last year's birthday was less than a fortnight after finding those emails. My head was all over the place. So was DH's.

It's hard to describe now how I felt at this time last year; it was like I was walking around with a goldfish bowl over my head, and that tiny space was the only bit where the 'discovery' of what had been going on couldn't get to me. It was all I could do to put one foot in front of the other and breathe in and out. I have no idea how on earth I managed to keep working and pretending stuff was ok to the outside world, but I guess that 'bowl' was like a defence mechanism maybe? And the moment I was on my own at home or just with him, the goldfish bowl would shatter and all the anger, pain and sadness would burst out. Then the next day I'd stick the bowl on my head and start all over again.

Last year, DH bought me some beautiful flowers, which I could barely look at. He didn't buy me a card. That hurt. But then when his birthday came a few weeks later (and our wedding anniversary) I understood why, as just reading the sentiments in the cards made me feel angry and resentful, and I ended up not buying a card either.

I think for him, rather than making him feel angry, he felt they'd probably annoy me and upset me. After all, he had told me that he didn't think he loved me a few months previously. He was struggling massively with how he could possibly still love me having done such a thing and had been for a while. And for a few months after the discovery he was in some kind of shock and he shut down a bit and just didn't feel anything. So what was the point of sending me a card with loving messages inside when he wasn't sure he even felt like that?

This year, I had an amazing birthday. DH booked a fantastic weekend away where we learned to do something that I had always wanted to do. (I'm not going to say where we went or what we learnt to do in case it outs me). He was the one who searched for the event, booked it, sorted out babysitters etc.

That wasn't the best bit though. The best bit was my card. I opened it in bed surrounded by DH and the children. I could tell that he had chosen it specifically for what the verse inside said. (In fact he later said that he'd spent at least 20 mins in the supermarket just reading the cards and for the first time really thought about the message he was sending with the verse, rather than just picking a pretty card. And that he felt very emotional choosing one.) The message he wrote himself was special too. I actually spent a lot of my birthday feeling tearful because of that card, but the emotions were happy ones. And I know they're not just words on a page, because he has backed up the messages and meanings with his behaviour for a long time now.

(My dad let slip that my mum looked at the card when she let herself in to drop my present in and that she too cried when she was telling my dad what it said.)

This time last year, I couldn't even begin to contemplate feeling this happy. Maybe some of that is to do with feeling that all my 'firsts' are out of the way. It does feel like some kind of milestone, bizarrely.

lostmummy12 · 11/02/2015 15:11

Sounds like you and your oh are def getting back on track,
The "firsts" are such a big hurdle, and it seems just as u get over one, another one comes along...
We are out with friends for first time in ages next wkend, one of the friends knows about affair, but none of the others , also my dh doesn't know that I have confided in this friend. She won't say anything & is very non judgemental as knows we have kept affair secret in order to avoid judgement/help from family & friends, but now I'm wondering if I should tell dh that she knows (and has known since it all happened, she is the only person that I have told)
Feel that I expect dh to be open with me, so only right he should know, but I'm worried that it Will make things awkward for him/her during the evening...???
Think it's the fact that no-one knows that makes Xmas/valentines/Annuversary hard as people are expecting us to be celebrating all lovey dovey , all our friends have always said sbout how close we are and how strong our marriage is....( just shows u can never know what goes on behind closed doors..)
X

JonesTheSteam · 11/02/2015 15:31

All my close friends know. A couple of my colleagues too, as I collapsed in a distraught heap in front of them one day at work in the immediate aftermath. A couple of DH's colleagues / friends know what we've been through too.

All my family and DH's family know.

None of them have been judgemental in the slightest. In fact everyone has been hugely understanding.

One of the colleagues I told is now going through something similar and everyone has treated her and her DH in much the same way.

I'm not sure what that says about the circles I mix in....Grin

IrianofWay · 11/02/2015 15:44

"a lot of what she says is what I ask myself on a regular basis"

I agree lost. But that is why it isn't that helpful. I don't beleive there is a single person in our position that doesn't question ourselves, our relationship, our partner's worth, our own self-worth a million times over. It doesn't need to be pointed out. And a lot of that self-questioning comes down to the bruised state most people's minds and ego are in at the time. It isn't done from a place of self-confidence or honest introspection. Find me someone who can confidently say that they never had any doubts about reconciliation after dday and are tripping gaily down the primrose path without any problems, and I will willingly agree that they need vivacia's devils advocacy. I just have never met any.

lostmummy12 · 11/02/2015 17:44

I agree with that,
But I also think that sometimes people are just having a hard day, and as I said earlier, sometimes you vent on here as its "safe" and "not real"
Don't think any real offence was meant, maybe just misjudged and hoping for a hug on a bad day???

MaMaof04 · 11/02/2015 22:46

Thank you all for sharing your feelings and 'your milestones'. It helps a lot. I believe that most women on this thread have a wonderful P who did a mistake- a huge mistake- and both the women and their P are trying to get over the ''Crisis''. I do not know to whom it is harder- to the betrayer or to their P.
In my case it is very tough for me and very tough for him. I have days where I am absolutely down. And I am mean to him. And I bring up the affair out of context. It happened this week end. It was a very nice week end. We spent it at my Mum's house. We were out on a walk with the kids (no one else). He started speaking about future projects- that included travelling all together to a town next to 'hers' (we are now very far from her), for his job. We did speak about this project a couple of weeks ago and I told him that it is OK BUT only IF the monies he will get will cover the extra (heavy) expenses involved, such as keeping two houses, moving, travelling often to see my mum, his mum (none of them is young and they are not in very good health), the kids' friends etc However he started speaking to the kids as if we will all live next year in this other town. It drove me mad. I know for sure that it has nothing to do with her and yet I just shouted at him that he can go on his own to the exact town where she lives, but that he should leave the kids in peace and talk about us joining him there only when we will have enough money to move freely to visit our mums and our friends...I can't say he reacted very nicely (he told me: stop and listen to yourself...). It upsets me a lot. I know his mind was far away from the whole affair- but for me it is adding insult to injury. (DO not worry for the kids. They did not hear that I brought her up- they were running ahead of us- they just felt that we were having a light fight and I explained why - and the why has nothing to do with her. They went back running ahead happily). So we drove back home from my Mum's in silence (the kids slept- it was very late). The following day I wrote him an e-mail (because I am bad at speaking directly to him about it all). I told him that it is OK if he is upset when I bring her up without any apparent reason but we should improve our communication skills and he must understand that, when he is upset in a 'mean way' then for me it is like if he is adding insult to injury. After he read the e-mail he did not feel good about himself. I do not feel good about myself either. Worse: our communication skills have not yet improved. He is not a big talker. I must do the first steps here.
My anniversary: he disclosed the affair to me half-year ago and he stopped it about 5 years ago. (I must admit that he was a wonderful P and father the past five years- better than what he used to be before and during the affair. My kids also felt it. He is even better after the disclosure.) So there is some mismatch. I was counting the hours, then the days, then the weeks, then the months. And now I am half-year through it all. Cool! There are issues that are not yet resolved. But hey it is a tough journey. We will get there...Time and MN are great healers.
Human: I hope you are able to get through the current bad days (your hurt feelings and your relatives' health problems). Remember the great thing you did to many of us: you started this thread. I do read it and follow the feelings and thoughts of the ladies who are fighting tough to mend their broken heart and their P's broken heart and confused mind- and it helps me a lot and it gives me insights.
Vivacia, I do not know what kind of relationship you had/have and I do not know how deep your P hurt/hurts
you. I hope you will be able to find back yourself whether within a recovered relationship or within a new one or just on your own.

Christinayang1 · 12/02/2015 10:23

Hello all

I am coming up to two years since discovery and what an emotional roller coaster it has been

I have grieved for the life, marriage and person I thought I had and I realize now that nothing will every be quite the same again

We are still together and he has shown me how much he wants this to work and how much he loves me....but I have changed

As well as attending couples therapy I also decided I want to get some help for me, I wanted to work out my feelings towards what had happened and make sure I made the right choices for the right reasons. People are so eager to judge and tell you what to do. Through the therapy I realized how much I had changed in the relationship, I had given up work, had very little social life and put on a lot of weight...I had to be clear in saying that NONE of these contributed to the affair. However I realized I had lost myself and didn't want to depend on one situation for my happiness

I have spent two years sorting my self out first and my marriage second, we are closer than ever but even now I don't know if I am in it for ever....but at least now I know I can build a happy life on my own

I would say be kind to yourself, take your time , breath and just heal and focus on what you want out of life

humanmagicmarker · 13/02/2015 18:15

I agree that the anniversaries are hard. We have our wedding anniversary a few days after Valentine's Day, and I'm finding it hard. I bought two presents and cards but I keep looking at the cards and realising I have no idea what to write in them. I feel like I should acknowledge how hard the last few months have been but I don't know how to say it. We've talked about not 'doing' Valentine's Day, but then that seems to do a disservice to how far we've come.

I agree with you, Christinayang1, I am in counselling on my own too, not only to deal with the affair with someone outside the situation who won't judge me, but also to get myself into a frame of mind where I think I could stand up on my own if I had to. If I know that and feel that, perhaps I'll be happier to be me, and then he'll be happier to stay because I'm more like the independent woman he met. That sounds like me trying to please him, but that's not really what I mean!

I don't know, it's been a tough week. I've been very angry this week. Does anyone else get that? Your mind can't stop imagining them together and you just want to scream and punch them both until you feel better. Angry

OP posts:
erazer · 13/02/2015 19:45

There have been some very good points made. I foolishly thought when the New Year 2015 I couid put every behind me. I was looking forward to New Years Eve, but as it approached I realised that a New Year would make no difference. I have been in a bad place for a few days. I have managed to pick myself up today, with help from my husband and my friend. My friend is the only person who knows what happened.
Has anyone got any coping strategies for when you can't get them out of your head, or when reminders are all around. Have plans for tomorrow as I want to move forward. Hope everyone has a gentle weekend.

erazer · 13/02/2015 19:48

I live in Spain so for me counseling is not an option, I think that might help me.

Christinayang1 · 13/02/2015 22:39

When I have been low I usually make plans to take ds out for the day, I am forced to put on a face when I am with him and I can't be miserable when he is around!

I think you also need to learn what your triggers are and avoid them where possible

Eraser some therapist do counseling by Skype it isn't ideal but is still does work

Christinayang1 · 13/02/2015 22:42

Oh yes anger is normal...that's why a laptop that he used to contact her on was thrown out of an upstairs window and his mobile smashed on a marble floor...not things I am proud of buy hey he put me in that position

erazer · 13/02/2015 23:01

Thanks Christina. I will look into Skype .

brontolo · 16/02/2015 09:43

Did everyone survive valentine's day? We actually had a pretty good weekend, kickstarted with another good MC session on Friday. We're managing to communicate really well and use positive strategies to deal with negative stuff a lot of the time.

I really really need to let go of the OW though. I can't seem to stop thinking about her and imagining her getting in touch with me. I have no idea why she would, but I spend far too much time imagining conversations with her. Not healthy or helpful but I can't seem to stop it. Anyone else do this, or have ideas on how to not do it?

dreamingofblueskies · 16/02/2015 14:23

We had a terrible Valentine's Day, he got me some very 'generic' flowers and card, I suppose I just wanted him to make an effort to make it 'special' and personal to us but it was something anyone could have picked up for anyone.

So now things are dreadful again.
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