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support thread! Marriages in recovery!

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humanmagicmarker · 23/01/2015 13:12

Hello all, I find myself trawling through the posts in this section looking for people in the same boat as me, but I can't find any!

So I've decided to build my own boat and see if anyone wants to join me Smile

My marriage is in recovery after my husband had an affair six months ago, we are both trying very hard to make it work, as the affair was a symptom of the fact that we had drifted from one another (what's with all the boat-y metaphors today?) rather than a need to 'get out' on his part.

It is very hard to learn to trust again and rebuild this from the ground up, and it would be lovely to know if others are facing the same things.

so come join me and lets have a brew xxx

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JonesTheSteam · 22/04/2015 11:58

Hi gessami

I think you may be right that each time it will have less impact (and hopefully eventually none). Certainly this time, although I felt very stressed and tearful and down it hasn't made me question everything again like it did in November (and neither has it made me question DH lots again like last time.

We had a good evening, DH cooked a lovely curry, had a glass or two of wine and then watched Ordinary Lies.

What was lovely last night was that DD (14) came down post-bath, gave DH a big cuddle and told him she loved him. She knows what's happened and unfortunately probably heard a fair few shouting matches early on and I feel terrible about that (as I was doing the shouting).

I worry constantly about the effect this has had on her, although she generally seems to be fine (well apart from being a teenager Wink ), is doing really well in school and has a lot of lovely friends. I worry that me staying with DH will impact on decisions she makes in her relationships in the future. I hope that she can see that we love each other very much indeed and that our relationship is much better now.

It was nice to see that she still feels able to cuddle dad though.

gessami · 22/04/2015 12:34

i also really worry about the impact on our kids. especially in the way it might influence their life decisions.

brontolo · 29/04/2015 13:28

I haven't posted on here for quite a while, and to be honest even reading the other threads here has been something I've been avoiding recently. There is so much sadness and anger and people having to deal with truly awful situations. Affairs seems to be everywhere, and reading the hurt and devastation that they're causing is so hard. It really brings me back to when I first found out, and that's a happy place to be.

But I thought that actually, it would probably be good for me to do an update amidst all the sadness. I'm 4 months past discovering my husband's affair. It's not long in some ways, but it also seems like a lifetime ago. The first 3 months are not something I would ever re-live. Even thinking about them is too painful. But the last 3 weeks or so have been very different, and I feel in quite a different place now. I can say quite confidently that I feel I'm at a place of acceptance, and that it doesn't hurt the way it did. We've been in marriage counselling, I've had my own counselling and my husband has been seeing a psychotherapist. Each of these has really helped us evaluate where we've been, the how / why / what of my husband's behaviour, where we are now and where we want to be. He's been doing everything he possibly can to show me that he knows he fucked up, that he can't change what he's done, but that he wants to do everything to move past it and focus on what we can do now. It's not been easy or smooth, and I have had hideous ups and downs of questioning everything about the affair, him, our life, our future and so on. I expect there will be continue to be ups and downs - but I feel positive about now and our future. I believe he is remorseful, and I believe we can get past this. I am so much stronger than I ever imagined I could be. My husband is in a much better place than he has been for years. We are talking and sharing and being honest. It's made me realise how long it is since we've been like this - much longer than just the affair period.

I think I will still always struggle with the "how" of him having the affair. I understand his perspective on "why" - I disagree with some of it as we have different perspectives on some of our challenges over the last 5-10 years - but I can understand how he saw things now. The "how" is so much harder, but it's less of an obstacle. I can only hope it becomes less and less so over time.

The OW is nothing to me now. I did actually google her yesterday for the first time in ages, just out of curiousty. She's re-instated her linked-in profile so I braced myself for seeing her photo - but I just felt pity and small amount of disgust. She really is nothing, and not worth my time and energy.

I never thought 4 months ago that I could feel like I do now. It's not perfect, and I'm still sad when I think that I'll always be someone whose husband had an affair. But that's looking back, and when I look forward, it's a very different view. We couldn't be where we are without us both wanting it to work, my husband being truly sorry, him taking responsibility or his actions and addressing them through therapy, and us both appreciating the importance of communication.

So I suppose what I wanted to get across is that there IS hope, depending on the situation and what you both want. Big non-mumsnet hugs to anyone going through this - it's not something I'd wish on anyone, but there is a chance that it can work out.

MaMaof04 · 29/04/2015 13:35

happy for you Brontolo! May your marriage go from strength to strength...

Lotsofponies · 29/04/2015 14:12

Good new Brontolo, I am 6 months post DDday, still having ups and downs. My partner was suffering depression and had a ONS, no intercourse but still quite intense. The act in itself isn't so terrible but his inability to tell the whole truth had the worst impact. All the physical truths came out by Jan but he still wasn't able to fully explain how he was feeling until Easter. I have now lost that 'gut feeling' that there is more to come, which is a relief.

My problem now is accepting that he truly loves me, so in a way its now me holding back. Because of his lies any discussions descended into me screaming and sobbing and calling him a liar. He just couldn't cope with that. I needed him to hold me and tell me everything would be OK, that he would move mountains to make it better.

At those times all he could think about was the crippling guilt and shame about what he had done to me/us. In the early days he quite often had a panic attacks, later he began to withdraw and feel totally numb and distant from what was going on. He said he wasn't sure he had the strength to repair what he had done and it made him question did he love me enough? One night in the midst of a flaming row I said "can you say 100% that you love me?" and he replied '"I don't know, I don''t know how I feel". When we were talking calmly and in a better place he said he had no doubts at all.

At Easter we made a pact, he will try his best to be emotional honest and I will try to stop the flooding of negative emotions, it seems to be working, there have been no meltdowns, although he admits whenever I raise the subject he gets a wave of terror and dreads what is coming, but we have both held it together calmly. He acknowledges that I need to talk about it and not hold it in.

We are communicating so well now, the physical side of our relationship is fantastic, we have had some great nights out together . Every day he is telling me he loves me and is enjoying planning for the future, but I feel so scared that he is 'faking it until he makes it'. Does anyone else feel the same?

lostmummy12 · 29/04/2015 14:52

Hi brontolo,
I've not posted for a while, but have been lurking & reading other threads, like u say, it's not easy reading as brings lots of emotions/thoughts back..
Glad to hear all is moving forward with you, I know exactly what you mean about starting to understand the "why" but not the "how", that is my main niggle at the back of my head all the time...
Mainly positive here too-10 months out- h has become more open & positive, chats about stuff more openly, hugs me when can see Im down or if something on TV/music/conversation triggers affair thoughts,
I do still think about the A most days, but not excessively and not in a painful way,
As a couple we are so much better than we were, I try not to bring A up in other little squabbles like I did in past, and everything feels more honest & open,
I too think if you both have total honesty & openness and both want to move on/start again then it is possible xx
Good luck to all xxx

Vivacia · 29/04/2015 14:59

It's good to read some descriptions of things improving and people being in happier, more secure places.

MaMaof04 · 29/04/2015 18:43

Great news girl! Thank you for posting. Please keep posting successes- if only to keep this thread afloat and accessible to new comers (whose number unfortunately keeps swelling, as pointed out by Brontolo!) . Many betrayed partners who are going through hell and want to give a second chance to the betrayer need to hear about successes . They also need to see for themselves that the circumstances and the processes of the affairs widely differ but the raw feelings post DD and the recovery processes share quite similar patterns.

JonesTheSteam · 01/05/2015 21:49

Hope everyone on this thread has a lovely Bank Holiday Weekend! Smile

delilahdg · 03/05/2015 23:12

Hey. I hope you guys don't mind me posting. I found this thread via a Google search and was so relieved. I'm sorry there are so many of us though :(

I separated with my husband three years ago after he left me for someone else. Six months later, I fell in love with a wonderful guy...but last month, I found out he'd been unfaithful. It was only once, and he didn't sleep with her, but he kept it a secret and only admitted it because it came up at a party. I'm utterly lost.

He wants us to stay together. He's answered my questions, done the things I've asked him to, and been careful to listen to me. He says he despises himself. I love him and want to stay with him, but after the way my marriage ended...I almost feel stupid for doing so. We're trying hard and most days it's okay. It almost feels normal. But then I'll have a massive panic attack about it all and realise something inside me is broken. I've lost a lot of respect for him and that worries me. Plus I don't trust him, which I hate.

I wish I could say why he cheated. He tells me there was no reason, that he just made a stupid mistake because he wondered what it would be like (he was on a lad's night out). I thought I'd done everything right this time; I thought we were in a great place. Now my self esteem is in the toilet (she was a LOT prettier than me) and I feel like I don't know him. I keep thinking, "do I want to spend the rest of my life with a man who cheated on me because he wondered what it would be like?" and the answer is always "no." But I love him. My daughter loves him. It's bloody hard. He says he doesn't want to throw 2.5 years away because of one stupid mistake, but he's not the one who has to get his head around it all.

My friends have said that time will make things better. I just don't know how much time you're supposed to give it. I thought he was my soul mate and my best friend.

MaMaof04 · 04/05/2015 07:17

Deli
I am so sorry for you dear!
It must be hurting like hell the casual approach he had to chatting up another lady - especially for you. In addition you have a daughter and you worry if you break up (after you separated from her dad who left you for an OW) you might give her the impression that relationships between two partners are doomed to failure.
I really do not know what to advise. She was prettier than you: so what? There are many many girls prettier than me, than you than any woman on MN or elsewhere. That is not the issue. Maybe you should ask yourself: who are the lads he hangs out with? what is their attitude to affairs? that might have an impact on his behavior- past, present or future.
I hope you will see clear in your heart and in his behavior what is the best way forward for you. Good Luck!
Big Hugs dear!

Christinayangstwistedsister · 04/05/2015 07:47

Delila

I'm sorry, you must feel so let down. Can you separate to allow you some time to work though your feelings?

Vivacia · 04/05/2015 07:48

He says he doesn't want to throw 2.5 years away because of one stupid mistake

Well, it's a bit late for that seeing as he is the one who decided to make the stupid mistake and throw it all away. That's done now, and he did it, not you. I think you both need to accept that any future relationship between the two of you can not be the same.

Have you tried couples therapy?

Vivacia · 04/05/2015 07:50

Maybe you should ask yourself: who are the lads he hangs out with? what is their attitude to affairs?

She's not going out with any of the other men, she's going out with just this one, and it's his opinion on infidelity that matters.

MaMaof04 · 04/05/2015 10:18

His friends might help her predict his behavior- was it a one-off thing not in line with the culture of his friends? did he want to show the guys he is 'one' of them? If his friends think that it is a male normal thing to do and he hangs with them and praise their opinion then she must run away from him.

Vivacia · 04/05/2015 12:27

Good point.

delilahdg · 05/05/2015 00:02

Hey all. Thanks for your replies. I appreciate them so much, and you make some valid points.

What are his friends like in this regard? Good question. To be fair, most of them are very decent guys (with lovely gfs) and we all see each other in a group regularly. As far as I know, none of them were indulging in the same kind of behaviour (I know some of them weren't even present when it was going on; they chose not to go to the club and went home)...but that's what he tells me. And of course he kept one thing a secret, so it is plausible that he may be protecting another of his friends. I made that point (rather angrily) when I first found out about it all; he had nothing to say on the subject. I always thought they were a very nice bunchthey're all getting married this year or nextbut now, who knows?

What does couples therapy involve? He said he'd be willing to go to it when all this kicked off, but at the time, I thought...well, what hope is there if we're in couple's therapy before we're even married?! I don't want to write it off if it could help. Then again, I'm not sure how receptive he'd be to it once we got in there. During our time together, he's had issues where counselling would certainly have helped, but whenever that was pointed out to him, he was categorically against it. "Not his thing." So I do wonder.

I originally considered a trial separation, but then I panicked that he'd realise he doesn't love me in that time :( Silly, eh? He's the one who cheated, but I'm the one having the panic attacks and going on a diet and buying him gifts because I'm so afraid he'll realise he can do better. Ridiculous. He was meant to be moving in this month but that is now on hold indefinitely. I was nowhere near this level of doormat before all this happened; I was confident and strong and felt good about myself. It's like having the rug pulled from under you, isn't it?

Vivacia · 05/05/2015 07:58

It's almost as though you're doing the Pick Me dance when there's no other woman.

Therapy would help you to talk through what had happened, clear the air and prevent misunderstandings and wrong assumptions. It would prevent you both from sweeping this under the carpet.

Christinayangstwistedsister · 05/05/2015 08:09

I don't want to hurt you and god knows I can't judge anyone,but what I will say is that you don't have many commitments to this guy. You aren't married and you don't have kids neither have you invested a long period of your life. If I was you I would really consider if this was worth it, he has done this at a fairly early point of your relationship and it doesn't bode well for the future

Take a step back, stop buying him gifts, he doesn't deserve it. Have some time n your own and speak to a counsellor about your marriage and this relationship

I really hope you find happiness

gessami · 05/05/2015 08:17

delilah I have found individual counselling as helpful as the couples counselling. I think you would really benefit from some counselling just for you. it sounds like you're really down on yourself, but this isn't your fault.

it really does pull the rug from under you. so allow yourself to feel hurt. but maybe try to use the opportunity to take stock and decide what you really want. (that's what my therapist tells me Wink)

good luck x

humanmagicmarker · 14/05/2015 15:01

Finding it very hard at the moment, Anniversary of D day is coming up, and all I can think when I look at him at the moment is "this time last year you weren't HERE". I have reminders everywhere. Whilst it was going on I painted a Mural for someone, and I have to walk past it every day, multiple times, and I just want to whitewash it.

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dreamingofblueskies · 14/05/2015 17:18

human, I think that anniversaries and 'firsts' are incredibly difficult, at a time when sometimes getting through the day without bursting into tears is tough.

I was going to post a message on here asking people if they knew how to get through the day without constant 'triggers' sending them into a downward spiral. When a thing like this happens it permeates every part of your day. The OW had just got over cancer, so whenever I hear cancer - bam - triggered. Her birthday is the day before mine so whenever I think of my birthday - bam - triggered.

So every time you walk past that mural you painted it's triggering these feelings in you, and I understand, it's really crappy. I wish I had an answer for you other than 'this too shall pass,' and I know this is not an answer, more a platitude which means nothing when you're feeling down.

Sometimes I'll be having an ok day then her name will pop up on the TV (It's suddenly gone from being a rare name to seemingly being the most common name in the media).

So, does anyone have an answer for me and human?!

JonesTheSteam · 14/05/2015 17:31

I don't know that the triggers ever go away completely. The effect does though. At least it has for me on the whole.

For example I heard OW's name in school the other day - one of the other teachers was calling out a register and there was a pupil with the same first name. I immediately thought of her, but I didn't really feel anything. I just thought of her.

And if I do feel sad or angry about something (which still happens occasionally, of course), I tell DH and we talk about it. If I feel sad then he needs to know. He doesn't expect me to just 'forget', he'll talk it through with me and comfort me and reassure me.

MaMaof04 · 14/05/2015 19:10

No magic formula- just time- time is a healer. Maybe a suggestion Human (it is just a suggestion - a bit odd maybe): can you walk by this mural with your DH and just talk about what you felt when you painted your mural and ask him to talk about what he felt at that time. Make a tradition to walk by the mural every DD anniversary and renew your vows next to it. Maybe that might help you get some closure , make peace with the mural. Make the mural your Berlin wall- if you see what I mean: from something divisive to something that symbolizes union and hope. If it might be of any comfort to you, remember that in my case there is a trigger that will outlive me! The little child- but I am just joking because I love my trigger. Good Luck!

dreamingofblueskies · 15/05/2015 09:43

Yeah, I do think that maybe just time's the answer, getting all the 'firsts' out of the way. So far we've had first wedding anniversary, Christmas, Valentine's Day and DH's birthday. Still to have my first birthday since it happened and we're just under 3 months away from DDay - I am dreading it. Do you make a thing of it or just hide under the covers until the day passes? I still don't know the answer to that, hopefully I will by the time it rolls around.

MaMa that sounds like a great idea re. human's mural, hopefully it might help?

Flowers to everyone who is having a hard time and Grin to everyone who is doing ok, hopefully we'll all be where you are sooner rather than later.