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support thread! Marriages in recovery!

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humanmagicmarker · 23/01/2015 13:12

Hello all, I find myself trawling through the posts in this section looking for people in the same boat as me, but I can't find any!

So I've decided to build my own boat and see if anyone wants to join me Smile

My marriage is in recovery after my husband had an affair six months ago, we are both trying very hard to make it work, as the affair was a symptom of the fact that we had drifted from one another (what's with all the boat-y metaphors today?) rather than a need to 'get out' on his part.

It is very hard to learn to trust again and rebuild this from the ground up, and it would be lovely to know if others are facing the same things.

so come join me and lets have a brew xxx

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Vivacia · 28/03/2015 06:15

Lots Sometimes we feel unappreciated and unloved and undesired in relationships. Having an affair is not an acceptable or natural reaction. It highlights problems with his morality, not your relationship. See also "doing it to you out of spite" and then using this woman and casting her aside.

How is he trying? For example, how is making amends for telling you he found her more attractive than you? Or for doing something so cruel "just to spite you"?

killthewiseone · 28/03/2015 06:55

I know you said about going to relate, but are you seeing a counsellor on your own?

Christinayangstwistedsister · 28/03/2015 07:51

I know lots there are just sometimes when it all seems too much and that you will never feel normal again

Is he doing everything that you feel you need from him?

Weebirdie · 28/03/2015 08:54

Lots I think at times people continue to ask questions because they cant actually believe whats happened. They just need to hear it and hear it and hear it again.

But I also suspect people continually ask questions because they are hoping they wont be told the truth and have to face the reality of things.

Lotsofponies · 28/03/2015 15:17

Well, very difficult night last night, talking into the wee hours and again this morning. The storm has blown itself out and I feel quite calm again.

I did a lot of thinking about the sunk cost fallacy. Although our relationship lost its 'worth' I think it is not impossible to regain it. He is not a bad person, he is kind, caring and considerate. He has never been a liar in any other aspects of out lives. We both went through a very stressful period and lost touch with each other, and I mean stressful, huge upheavals, renovating or home, rebuilding works premises, taking over and relocating the family business, long long work hours for both of us, new baby who never slept, a hyper active toddler, leaching selfish siblings, ill parents.

He sunk into depression and couldn't/wouldn't accept help, he saw depression as weakness (past tense!). He then did this terrible thing as a way to feel wanted and validated. No it is not an acceptable thing to do, I didn't do it and I felt equally unwanted and unloved.

On the other hand when the kiss got 'sexual' his moral compass kicked back in, he stopped it and said no I can't do this. He could have just as easily gone 'all the way' or kept contact with her.

If I think about the worth of my relationship now - sex is good, I am attracted to him , he says he is still incredibly attracted to me. I trust he would never do this again, I trust he would never contact her. I trust I know the 'what, why, when', I need to quit the destructive questions that test if he will choose truth or my feelings. Most of the time we can communicate better, we are both happier until I hit another low. I just hope these will get less frequent and intense as time goes by.

Christina - He is trying to do everything I need to help me through this, about 90% of the time he gets it right. He finds it very hard to deal with the full on crazy meltdowns and the destructive questions. I can understand this. Its makes him defensive, he realizes it is not good enough and has promised to try harder. He recognizes this is all his fault - Vivacia- do I give up on someone for trying but not quite succeeding?

Regarding the cruel comment about finding her prettier - I forced him to tell me. We have always been honest about how pretty/handsome people are, I don't think I am on a par with Angelina Jolie, he is no Johnny Depp, i'st the attraction that counts. He said during his deepest depression he felt like he had blinkers on and could feel no joy in anything. His thoughts of me, the kids, his life were grey and miserable. During his interaction with the OW he felt special, wanted and it lifted that grey feeling, at that time he saw her as vibrant and attractive and he made the biggest mistake of his life.

After he snapped out of it he said it was like his blinkers fell away. He knew he risked loosing me (I had always said I would never forgive) and he actually saw me, properly again. I showed him her facebook page and he said in real life there is only one picture that looks anything like what he remembers - beer goggles or affair fog possibly? I think I can deal with that.

If I genuinely thought I was investing hope and emotion into a lost cause I would cut my losses and go. I am old and jaded enough not to believe in fairy tales. At the moment I think there is still some profit to be made here though - Thanks for listening

Christinayangstwistedsister · 28/03/2015 15:29

I think you have weathered the storm pretty well, good for you

You sound as if you have a lovely relationship that has hit a wall. He is trying but doesn't always get it right, fair enough

I think as time goes on the storms will lessen and grow further apart.

Vivacia · 28/03/2015 15:42

He recognizes this is all his fault - Vivacia- do I give up on someone for trying but not quite succeeding?

I think the question is how much emotional reserves you have to keep going? It's not whether he gets your forgiveness and support, but whether you have them to give. I hope that makes sense.

gessami · 28/03/2015 16:10

lots
I just want a time machine, or to go to sleep and never wake up again

me too.

my kids are really struggling with all this shit. i totally can't cope with the pain we are causing them.

though actually you sound a lot more positive today. good for you. hope it rubs off on me.

gessami · 28/03/2015 16:11

ps. thank you kill

dreamingofblueskies · 28/03/2015 17:49

That was my answer whenever my husband asked me what he could do to make it better - 'build a time machine'

I was always so sad as that was literally the only thing that would have stopped the pain.

It does fade a little, I'm 7 months down the line and I no longer wish for a time machine every waking minute like I did. although if anyone has the secret of time travel I'll happily listen

Christinayangstwistedsister · 28/03/2015 18:11

Gessami

Are you okay, you seem very low?

Lotsofponies · 28/03/2015 18:20

Nice to know that these feelings are par for the course. Vivacia - I think the question is how much emotional reserves you have to keep going? It's not whether he gets your forgiveness and support, but whether you have them to give. I hope that makes sense.

Perfect sense - I told by partner this very thing this moning. I will keep trying but not sure I have an infinite reserve. I hope eventualy I can bestow forgiveness on him, or if we end up slitting up acceptance for what happened (for both of us realy).

At the moment he has my understanding. We felt the same way, unloved and unapreciated. If I had also been depressed and an attractive man gave me the attention I craved I am sure it would have have felt fantastic. I would like to think I wouldn't act upon it, but I cant say 100%.

MaMaof04 · 28/03/2015 18:30

Lots
I am happy you are in a very positive state of mind. I hope things will just get better for you now-
Did you read the posts written by LetUsGototheHills ? Their (hers and her DM) journey to recovery was not a straightforward one- sometimes she wanted to give up and sometimes he wanted to give up, and yet they managed to beautifully rebuild their marriage and to even strengthen their family unit.

Gessami-
I am sorry to hear that your kids are not coping well. May I ask how old are they? I think that kids do not like it when parents are ambivalent and do not know whether they want to stay together or to split up. IMO when you have reached a final decision about your relationship (stay or split) and you will feel better about it all then the kids will be OK.

Dreaming
Do not forget to share with us the time machine secrete on this thread.
OOPs I forgot: the first thing you will do is to stop his affair from happening , i.e. the first thing that will happen is that you will disappear from this thread and you will not know about us and...

Good Luck to all of us!

gessami · 30/03/2015 23:08

mama that's exactly what the child psychologist said. 'you need to either be together properly, or you should separate. the kids cannot cope with the insecurity of not knowing what's going on'.

it's a bitter pill to swallow.

my kids are 9, 7 & 4.

ponies, I feel my reserves are running low too. but at the same time I know we just need to sort it out one way or another for the kids' sake at least. so I have to keep going.

MaMaof04 · 05/04/2015 14:48

Gessami
They are quite young your kids.
At this age they are happy if both of you - together or separately are happy.
I think that you can tell the elder ones that you and their dad are having it tough now- no need to give all the details. Maybe you can give little details such as: you are not as happy as you used to be when you go out together (just you+him). You might just say that things like that happen but that your P and you are working at sorting things out. I think that kids at this age are aware of emotional and individual aspects in human interactions and understand that you and dad are not one entity. IMO the worst for them is if they are kept in the dark; as long as you share with them your feelings (sad and happy) they will be OK.
The kids are now in Easter holidays. How are you and how are they doing?
good luck!

humanmagicmarker · 09/04/2015 21:41

Anyone else feel completely lost? I'm haunted at the moment by the idea that he stays because of duty. That the OW was a symptom of what he feels, that he doesn't want to be with her, it's over, but it happened because he doesn't really want to be with ME. I also feel that because of this I should gather my resources and my strength in preparation for when he realises this, and leaves me. I'm trying to be strong and get back to the strong person I was before my son was born, but it isn't easy when I'm not sure how to do that, or who that person was anyway. Can anyone relate, or am I over analysing? Sometimes I wish I had some sort of religious faith so that I didn't feel so fucking alone.

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Christinayangstwistedsister · 09/04/2015 21:58

No you are not alone we have all been there

He wouldn't be going through this id he didn't want to be with you however that isn't really the issue, that's putting all the power in his hands. It's time to stop thinking about him and keeping him and start to look after you

You will never be the same as before you had your son, you are a mother now, but that doesn't mean you can't be who you want to be. What aspects of your " old self" do you want

humanmagicmarker · 10/04/2015 08:53

I want to be able to paint again without feeling like I'm going to fail before I start. It's been so long since I did any good work, I'm so far out of practice that I'm nowhere near as good as I was and that scares me. It was the only thing I ever did well. I know that if I can break that barrier I'll be happier and therefore he'll be happier to be with me but it feels like a giant mountain in front of me.

I'm trying to put myself first a little bit but this is hard too. I also feel like I need to put the OW situation in a box and close the lid so we can move on but she won't fit yet...

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Christinayangstwistedsister · 10/04/2015 08:57

The priority is sorting you, if you feel better the ow will get squeezed into the box

Do you need more time to paint? Can you organize child care? You still will be good and just think of the emotion you will be able to put in to your painting

worserevived · 10/04/2015 09:17

Human I also paint, it something that requires time to immerse yourself, and is also a good way of losing yourself in something far removed from other stresses in your life. Prioritise it, it would be good therapy for you in the healing process. DH needs to work hard to give you that space, by doing the child care and stuff around the house. It's the least he can do after what he has put you through.

The OW will never vanish from your mind, but you can move on, if you work on being happy in yourself. The way I put it is you need to know you can be happy on your own before you can even think about being happy with DH. Regaining your independence and self worth is so important. At the beginning it is easy to feel relief that the affair is over, and not really address underlying issues within oneself. Then later, things bubble up again, memories resurface, and things start to hurt more. Protect yourself from that.

Vivacia · 10/04/2015 09:27

Why don't you plan a painting session and set out to paint just a mediocre painting? The kind you paint after a bit of a break and is more about practising and just enjoying the whole process?

(Do you think the painting a perfect picture is perhaps a way of expressing feelings about other areas of your life?).

IrianofWay · 10/04/2015 11:42

"That the OW was a symptom of what he feels, that he doesn't want to be with her, it's over, but it happened because he doesn't really want to be with ME"

Yes, that is normal. Even the most confident of people feels like a squashed lettuce leaf after they have discovered an affair. Even when their spouse really wants to reconcile and does everything right. And those of us with somewhat delicate self-esteem suffer even more . But that is our battle to fight - all your spouse can do is stick to NC, show remorse and love, work on their own issues - we have to work on ourselves. I found that my way of gaining my own inner strength was to increase my physical strength - I walked miles and miles with my dog and my camera, I increased my running (speed, distance and frequency) and entered some races. I feel in a totally different place to where I was 3 years ago. I found that listening to stories was better than music - music stirs emotions and lets you think too much - downloading podcasts and listening to them while walking/running allowed me to stop turning everything over and over in my brain.

Now I am not afraid of my thoughts. Now I know that I am worth 100 of OW (I always was TBH but I didn't believe it). Now I know that if H ever even thinks of doing it again he is an utter fool and it will be his loss as I will gone and will cope just fine.

humanmagicmarker · 10/04/2015 15:23

Thank you ladies, you've made me feel better today. I guess when I paint it proves to me that I'm not as good as I was, and that then reflects on the rest of my life, ie, I'm not lovable like I once was. It scares me to bring that worry to life. I have time to paint in the evenings but I just sit at my desk doodling and feeling a bit sick! I guess this whole year has made me very flat, I thought little of myself before and it's like he and the OW have proved me right? I know I need to snap out of it but like I said, giant mountain in front of me, and only my bear hands to dig a tunnel through it.

Thank you so much for your support today, it has really helped. I know my 'real' friends are there for me but none of them has been through this like you guys have, it is very reassuring to have you all to talk to xx

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Vivacia · 10/04/2015 15:36

Are you interested in psychology and reading recommendations human?

humanmagicmarker · 10/04/2015 16:08

Go on then, I'm game xx

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