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support thread! Marriages in recovery!

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humanmagicmarker · 23/01/2015 13:12

Hello all, I find myself trawling through the posts in this section looking for people in the same boat as me, but I can't find any!

So I've decided to build my own boat and see if anyone wants to join me Smile

My marriage is in recovery after my husband had an affair six months ago, we are both trying very hard to make it work, as the affair was a symptom of the fact that we had drifted from one another (what's with all the boat-y metaphors today?) rather than a need to 'get out' on his part.

It is very hard to learn to trust again and rebuild this from the ground up, and it would be lovely to know if others are facing the same things.

so come join me and lets have a brew xxx

OP posts:
brontolo · 27/02/2015 16:50

Staying away is definitely an option. I'm staying away from a lot of stuff that I feel stupidly drawn to, but doesn't actually do me any good or make me feel better. This thread do far is helping rather than hindering but I'm conscious that might not always be the case.

Christinayang1 · 27/02/2015 16:56

The thing is I don't think there is any escape from it,,whether you are on the thread or not, affairs are on tv, movies, magazines etc

I think one of the hardest things for me is that my view of the world has changed , it's as if I have suddenly been faced with the harsh realities of life...it sounds stupid but I wonder if I will ever get my smile back...it's as if my view of the world is now very jaded and it doesn't matter any longer whether I stay with him or not, as a person I have changed

brontolo · 27/02/2015 17:06

I can empathise with that. I have become so cynical. To the extent that if I see someone happy / smug, my nasty mind goes to "ah well, their husband is probably shagging around anyway". Not a very healthy attitude!

gessami · 27/02/2015 17:30

brontolo, me too! a friend's husband sent her flowers out of the blue. everyone was gushing and I was just thinking, "he must be feeling guilty about something".

the sex thing is weird. it's the intimacy I can't face. it's just too much. like christina I feel like I need to keep my distance.

gildedcage · 27/02/2015 18:19

Christina I totally agree. My dh didn't have an affair...but I do feel like in some way I've let myself down. Initially sex was fine we had some hysterical bonding which was good but now I feel very distant, so much so that its very upsetting to me.

I've reached acceptance that the pur love that I had for my dh is gone and won't be replaced. But I think that is a trust thing asI will never have that total trust ever again.

Sadly I look at all men differently. Are they all checking out other women? I was blind to a lot of things and now I view all men as pretty much the same, which really is my problem. But Im always saying to myself, I'm trying my best...tomorrow is another day.

Christinayang1 · 27/02/2015 18:42

Can I ask everyone. ... Did he tell you or did you find out?

brontolo · 27/02/2015 18:53

His OW emailed me. I still can't quite believe she did. That was the most surreal day of my life.

Christinayang1 · 27/02/2015 19:01

Oh god brontolo what a bitch!!!

Flowers
erazer · 27/02/2015 19:04

I found out read an email, and was nearly sick. I read quite a few. It was on his iPad. Was on another email addy. Never gave a thought to what I would see.

brontolo · 27/02/2015 19:10

Oh I was sick too, quite violently. And then again when OH got home from work and admitted it. He had finished the affair, she was furious so emailed me to tell me.

I do struggle that he didn't choose to tell me himself. He's admitted he wouldn't have - he just wanted it all to go away. Pretty pathetic, but then so was the whole sordid affair.

And this is when I'll consciously choose to step away from the thread for a while. Re-living this doesn't help me but I sort of can't help it unless I really make myself.

Christinayang1 · 27/02/2015 19:10

I read emails too eraser, huge mistake as there are things that I can't get out of my head

Christinayang1 · 27/02/2015 19:11

Good luck brontolo and take care

erazer · 27/02/2015 19:19

Christina it was a huge mistake I too can't unread them. I do not try to think about them though or I would go mad and probably do something bad. Don't try to give it head space now.

erazer · 27/02/2015 19:24

Brontolo Reliving it doesn't help at all, it changes nothing. I am surprised how well I have coped this week. The distraction is really working well. I feel more hopeful.

AnonyMuse · 27/02/2015 21:21

Hello all. I have tried a couple of times before to post encouragingly on this thread but my iPad managed to eat both (long) posts before I could send, so here's hoping this one works...

I discovered my DH's 3 month affair just before Xmas 2013, so 14 months ago now, and things between us are now pretty good, much better than they have been for years in fact. So (thus far anyway) rather better than simply a "recovery". I feel secure in his love for me, I do trust him not to stray again and I am no longer haunted by the affair.

I think that throughout the first year post discovery its important to keep analysing all aspects (do I still love him? is it worth trying to save the marriage? do I trust him not to do it again?) with heart, head and gut. And that one of the most important things is to work out why he did it, because if he and you don't know that you have no chance of repairing the marriage and the risks of it happening again are high.

We both have very full time, high pressure jobs and we have a preteen child. For many years keeping all the work/family/home balls in the year has been an immense struggle for us both, and we had very little time for ourselves. I was permanently stressed, exhausted and grumpy and entirely lost my libido. DH gradually became more and more selfish and and less and less empathic, felt unappreciated and was resentful that there was so little fun in our lives...

I recognise that every marriage, every situation, is very different but my thoughts on some of the points raised in this threads are as follows.

On trust: I don't think its wise to attempt to force yourself to trust them (keep listening to your gut) but on the other hand try not to be paranoid. If my DH ever strayed again, having recognised how appallingly he behaved and having seen the agony he put me through, it would be literally unforgiveable. I think he's better than that and I trust him not to (he travels away a lot and I don't have concerns about it).

On finding out the details: I think you have to decide whether you'd rather know the worst so you can move on or whether you'd just rather not know. But whichever camp you fall into I think that it won't work unless the unfaithful partner discloses whatever you want to know. There can be no more secrets...

On anniversaries of events which happened during the affair: just awful, I think because one was living in oblivious ignorance at the time and one has to keep reevaluating the events of a year ago in the new knowledge of what was happening at the time. Each one brought a new wave of incandescent anger at the lying and deception involved. Now happily all behind me.

On anger: eventually you need to relinquish the moral high ground, put it all behind you and become an equal partnership again. If you are still angry and miserable a couple of years down the line its probably time to call it a day.

On contacting the OW. I think that if you're going to do this it needs to be relatively soon after discovery. If its many months down the line, not only will OW have hopefully moved on (and be less inclined to be apologetic etc) but fading memories make different versions of events more likely. I went against the MN grain and got in touch with OW a month post discovery - she was deeply apologetic and explained how it had been from her PoV (thought our marriage was a mere shell, that we were both miserable and staying together for the sake of our DC - there was some truth in that, in fact - and being very much younger hadn't really appreciated just what she was doing). Oddly we are now friends.

And in answer to Christina's question: I found out, he didn't confess. I saw an email from OW pleading with him to reconsider ending it, which he had just done. In retrospect the timing was very lucky as if I hadn't discovered then I don't think it would have taken him long to relent (and neither does OW).

Rereading this post, it has an oddly flippant tone. Didn't mean it to have, but its hard to address these issues in an upbeat way....

Christinayang1 · 27/02/2015 21:32

anon

Thank you for you post you sound very positive

I can particularly relate to the moral high ground bit, I still feel that I have all the power and I know that isn't healthy

gessami · 27/02/2015 22:03

thank you anon.

it's so helpful to read such an honest and positive message.

christina, it sounds ridiculous but i 'found out' in a dream. must have been my subconscious screaming the obvious at me! but in my dream I asked H if he'd been with someone else and he said yes. when I woke I was devastated and felt that the dream was more real than being awake. I confronted H about it a number of times, he consistently denied it until I threatened to leave unless he gave me all the passwords to his email, iPad etc.

the next day he admitted that he'd been seeing someone else for 6 months.

I find that reliving it does help. every time it hurts a little less. and I start to look at why it happened rather than how angry it makes me.

thanks again anon, you've made my night.

erazer · 27/02/2015 22:04

Anon very interesting and helpful upbeat post. Good to hear.

Christinayang1 · 27/02/2015 22:05

gess

Oh that is so strange, I used to have dreams too!

AnonyMuse · 27/02/2015 23:13

Oh yes, and one more thing I forgot to say in my mammoth post.

A couple of you have mentioned that you're feeling really flat ATM. I don't think you should worry too much about that, or think it's a necessarily a sign that your marriage won't work out.

The trauma of discovery and the constant jolts of adrenaline over the following weeks, not to mention the sleepless nights and the hysterical bonding sex, are exhausting. In an odd and rather horrible way, I felt more "alive" than I had done for years. But then it all catches up with you and you are left feeling drained, facing up to the reality that your DH/DP is not the person you thought, and that is very depressing. I felt pretty "meh" about most things for several months. But (for me at least) it passes and life begins to look good again. Don't make any radical decisions while you're feeling like that, unless of course it lasts beyond, say, the first year.....

MaMaof04 · 28/02/2015 12:06

A confession an a question.
The confession: I envy all of you because there is no other child produced by the affair. (I do not play down your suffering. I know that regardless of the differences in our situations our heart bleeds all the same and our mind whirl and whirl around looking for a positive outlook on life to rest on).
The question: Imagine that the affair resulted in a child and you want to stay in the marriage for the sake of your kids, because of attenuating circumstances and because you feel OK after all in this marriage. (he got plenty of good qualities- he is extremely good-hearted- he is self-abnegating- he is a very good father- we still have wonderful family outings- he fully accepts who I am and my feelings including my feeling toward physical contact with him: I do not want any physical contact and I am not sure this will ever change- he made it clear that he would accept any amorous adventure I would like to have outside the marriage, but that he himself does not want any. Not that I fancy any.) Then imagine that and tell me how would you behave with the OC, a little innocent girl (she is very far away from us- she is in the UK and we are not)? How would you incorporate her actively in your life? My eldest daughters - they are past 20- know about her, and give to my H and I carte blanche. They said that they are happy with whatever decision we jointly make in this aspect and in any other aspect of our life. The little ones (little boys, not yet teens- about to become teens) do not know about her yet. They know that H had an affair but know nothing about the OC. We will tell them when we have a clearer idea of the OW behavior. As at now she did not yet reveal the OC that her dad is in fact a married father of 4. The OW is hiding this from all her entourage. This is why she does not want my H to meet the OC only telephone calls are allowed. (He is a good dad even if it is only via the phone.) So please do provide your outside perspective and your wise advice. Thank you. Have a nice week-end. We- the kids and us- are going out soon for a long walk. (BTW he asked forgiveness from the girls and they forgave him. One of them wants me to completely forgive him- her friends who know the affair also urge me to fully forgive him and so do my H's closest friends who know him since high school. When she noticed that I swapped the king bed for two beds, she told me that I am cruel, and taking away from him any hope of a better future. But I can't play games. I was the kind of girl to start with boys and sleep on the first date if I felt attraction for someone; I never liked the courting games; either I felt it or either I did not. Sex is no game for me. It is the deep expression of my inmost feelings. As at now I need my space. Maybe all this attitude is part of my ADD and spontaneity.)

theblankslate · 02/03/2015 09:14

Hi Ma. It's hard because whatever you think of or want to do you're going to be limited by what OW will enable you to do. If she doesn't want people knowing about you and your DC - it does seem like she's going to make it difficult for you to facilitate a relationship between your DC and her's. The only idea that comes to mind is sending Christmas cards from your DC to OC, and getting your DC to write letters to OC (but whether OC will get them is going to depend on OC). If you get to a point where OW is willing to enable the relationship between them then skype?

Also I don't think it's any one else's business to tell you if/when you should forgive him, and if/when you should resume sex.

MaMaof04 · 02/03/2015 16:35

Thank you very much the blankslate! It is more complex. The OW does not want her DD to know that she is the daughter of a married father of four. She tells her lies. My H started a legal fight to oblige her to let her DD meet him and us- but he had to stop. It involved a lot of monies with little chance to win our case because of various complex issues- to start with we do not live now in the UK and the OW is a Muslim (she converted to oblige my H to return to her when he broke two weeks after the affair- she told him how lonely she was in her milieu and not well accepted because she wanted to convert and she needed support etc etc. Now she is back to her milieu- luckily she is not extremist and the kid is in an Anglican school- and of course in the legal battle she kept bringing up the fact that her milieu will not accept her daughter if they know about the real identity of the father- i.e. a non-Muslim married father). So what I plan to do is to let my little sons know about their sibling this summer holiday- so that we can be with them and have fun with them full time the first days after the disclosure. Of course they will want to meet her: and that is the problem. They can't have any contacts with her because the OW does not allow such contacts. It will be tough on them. When my H talks to the little one on the phone the OW is behind her daughter controlling the conversation- to stop it immediately if he tries to tell the little one about himself....She is so deceitful this OW! I am really full of compassion for the little one. (Luckily the OW lives now with what looks like a nice decent British woman who obliges her to let my H calls the Little one as often as he wants. It might be a lesbian relationship. That is important just as far as this gives some power to this other lady who has been abandoned by her dad as a child and understands the importance of the contact of father-daughter.)
About sex: thank you for the support theblankslate!

MaMaof04 · 02/03/2015 16:41

N.B. The child was conceived when my H returned to her to help her through the conversion stages (he is not religious- he just felt sorry for her having to battle on her own against her patriarchal milieu.) So she won the little one by staging the conversion. Without this conversion game my H would not have returned back to her and he would not have felt so bad about the mess he brought to our lives and about a little daughter who is raised in lies and deceits and who is not allowed to freely love and meet her dad...

gessami · 02/03/2015 22:38

hi Mama, I agree with blankslate, you can only do what OW allows you to do in terms of contact. (unless your H has a burning desire to pursue it in court, and I think you said he did not).

but you can definitely tell your kids. and they can send cards/ letters to their half sibling. and then it is in OW's hands.

however manipulative OW may be, she may be protecting her child from the possible effect the truth would have on her DD. would the kid be rejected by her society or milleu as you say? perhaps also by the only family DD knows?

I also agree that you need to have sex in your own time. I'm also nowhere near ready to have sex again. though for myself, I know I would be unable to continue with the marriage if this never resolves.

we actually had a really good weekend. but it still feels like we have a really long and hard road ahead. ugh! I'm so bored by it, I want to be normal again!!

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