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Is he "just not that into me".

575 replies

jessmay · 01/01/2015 18:41

I'm 35 and so is he. We met online and he was the one chasing me. From the very beginning he was always quite hard to pin down. He leaves for work at 6am and usually doesn't get home until 11pm. He has a mad, city job.

We have conflicting schedules, and we both travel a lot for work too. At first I was not that fussed that I didn't see him every day or that he didn't call as much as previous BFs have but now I am starting to fall in love with him it's beginning to bother me.

I'm not sure if I am being needy or if he's "just not that into me".

He texts me every day, but doesn't call every day. He does spend every day he has off with me, but doesn't call really ever in between. When one of us is travelling, he doesn't Skype or call really at all.

Last night was new year and we're apart with our respective families. He did invite me to spend it with him, but I wasn't able to as I had previous plans.

He texted me in the evening to say he missed me, and sent some photos throughout the night. He didn't call me, which I found odd on new years eve. He did text again just after midnight to wish me happy new year and to say he loved and missed me. So I decided not to be a fanny and texted him at 12.30am to say I just wanted to hear his voice.

He called around 3am and spoke to me for two minutes and told me he had hardly any battery and he was off all day today and would call me for a long chat.

It's 18.39 and he's texted good morning and that's about it. I can see he's on whatsapp and facebook putting up photos and things and I just can;t help but feel it's a bit odd that he isn't wanting to ring me.

Is it me being silly, are some people just rubbish on the phone / texts or do you think I am investing my heart into a man who just doesn't like me that much?

If I ask him, he just say he is a bad communicator, he works mental hours and is always racing around to get stuff done and he gets quite annoyed that I don't see that.

I just feel rejected and can't help feeling rejected. I don't know what to do! It keeps putting me on a downer.

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BitOutOfPractice · 02/01/2015 16:54

I don't think it's the vast proportion bt there are certainly many that fit that bill yes.

But there are lovely, passionate, kind, emotionally intelligent, respectful, loving men out there I promise.

LoisChristmasPuddingLane · 02/01/2015 16:56

My boss has been married for 28 years. She and her husband both have very busy and high-powered jobs. He usually rings her at least once a day - I know because the calls often go through my phone. If he can manage that...

JegHarMalingiMitHar · 02/01/2015 16:56

The best way to end it is a cheery 'my heart's not in this either'.

emeline · 02/01/2015 16:59

Bit yes... Sexting in the context of also calling you and prioritising your emotional needs is a sign/expression of passion/ intimacy.

Without that context it's just...Confused

BitOutOfPractice · 02/01/2015 17:09

Not necessarily emeline. I had a couple of meaningless flings when I was single last year. Sexting very much involved. It's just a bit of fun sometimes and, as breakingdad said, pretty par for the course in many new relationships. I think you're being picky.

jessmay · 02/01/2015 17:10

I did reply to the text, just saying "nevermind".

Not going to give the satisfaction of getting angry again and being told I have no right to be so, so will leave it at that and in a few days when he asks why I am quiet I will take the advice above and just tell him my heart isn't in it.

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JohnFarleysRuskin · 02/01/2015 17:15

I went out with a fella for about a year and he was always complaining I didn't get in touch enough - I'd leave it for days... When he said he was going to dump me I'd manage to convince him that I was busy, didn't like the phone, lost charger, etc, etc. the truth was I wasn't that into into him- but I didn't want to split up from him.
Sorry op- it's not the way you treat someone you want to be with.

emeline · 02/01/2015 17:18

Bit sorry. I wasn't referring to friends with benefits or fuckbuddies or flings - with regard to sexting in the context of this thread purely was my response appropriate.

FOr Op, with a man patently not listening to her and being avoidant of genuine contact, sexting would not have been a sign of passion. It would most likely have been mere wank fodder.

Titillation isn't passion, as we all know.

BitOutOfPractice · 02/01/2015 17:25

Yes emeline, I know what you mean and agree!

iamthenewgirl · 02/01/2015 17:43

My heart just isn't in it...

What a great line!

jessmay · 02/01/2015 17:46

It is, and it's also true, because I can't / won't put my heart in it if I don't feel like the other person has.

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Chandon · 02/01/2015 17:48

I still don't understand why you did not call him yourself.

gypsygirlfromlondon · 02/01/2015 18:03

When I was 28, my partner of 5 years ended our relationship. We were living together and I was quite devastated at time.

I have a fairly dysfunctional background and my boyfriend for years had played on my vulnerabilities by behaving throughout our relationship as if it were a privilege to speak to him either in person or on the phone. He stonewalled, ignored, gaslighted, rejected my opinion, belittled and everything was about him, his family, his day, his weekends jollies, his mates, his career, his house, his money, his sexual needs, his choice of dinner. I was buying his porn at one stage and hated it but just 'knew my place'.

I was so unhappy by the end I could have screamed but tied into a house and my life with him. I didn't really see a way out. He even persuaded me to change jobs to suit his needs and move across the country to where he was after telling me if I didn't move, it was over.

So after 5 years of putting him first in everything and 2 years of living together, he asked me to leave. He gave me a month's notice. So I quit my teaching job and went back to the area I grew up in to have some time out.

I ended up in a cold, crummy rented basement flat with no furniture, just a camp bed, no tv, alone, very little money and drinking myself into oblivion really. I had no friends as we socialised as a couple with his friends.

One evening, a song by Dido came on the radio called 'Life for Rent' and I realised just how much I had been the victim of my background, my poor choice of abusive men and my own need to please men and try to be happy by pleasing them. I had been a complete fool!

That song changed my life! I played it over and over and over and decided to change myself,focus and reappraise my approach to men. I got a promotional job in London, became independent of relying on others to make my happiness and became much stronger in my attitude to what I wanted from life. I wanted a good man, a decent husband and a man who would treat me with respect. I wouldn't have to try to force him to communicate, to dress only to please him etc. He would love for the nightmare old broken bag I really was.

Well, here I am 15 years later. Married to a wonderful man who loves me for who I am. I have 3 children and just bought a lovely 4 bed house in a nice area of Kent.

My ex is still unmarried, no kids still living alone in the same house, girlfriends come and go and although he has a good career in teaching he is a miserable, cold unhappy man.

What I'm trying to say to you OP is please, please leave him! Don't let your life be for rent by a man who doesn't love you. Be confident that you want better- you deserve a happy life, not searching for the crumbs he leaves for you on the floor.

It's obvious he just can't be bothered with you and you are allowing him to dictate the terms of the relationship. You deserve nothing more than you get if you don't learn to buy my dear! Invest in YOU! Think about what you really want. You are 35, trust in yourself and your instincts. He's playing with you and possibly having another relationship elsewhere.

I have an acquaintance who has been with her parter for 12 years (same as me and my DH). At 31, she hangs on his every word, does as he tells her and allows him to control her life to the extent he won't let her have a cat or dog after all this time. Just like my old life! He keeps her in a box so to speak while cheating on her numerous times over the years because really. He has never truly loved her and wants out but can't face the change and challenge of starting again. Don't end up like her!

You can't change him but you can change yourself. The right man will come to you once you are free. He is enjoying the power trip keeping you exactly where he wants you. Do nothing and your situation wont change. At 40, you'll be wondering where the hell your life went. Think it over. :)

Sorry- very long post!

LTB!!! Wishing you the best of luck Flowers

JegHarMalingiMitHar · 02/01/2015 18:09

funny how songs can jolt us. I think the OP has had her realisation though.

abba's 'laugh or cry' jolted me.

LilMissSunshine9 · 02/01/2015 18:12

Chandon - the OP has stated a few times that the bf promised to call the next day so she didn't need to call herself otherwise wouldn't that look needy? and if she did call something tells me he wouldn't of picked up anyway.

Newrule · 02/01/2015 18:24

I don't think you sound needy. You clearly have reservations. Trust your instincts. I agree with you that his lack of communication away from you is something you should try to understand better. I hate calling but no way would my communications with my DH or any member of my family be solely text based for such an extended period of time. Texting is a convenient and quick form of communication. It is also one that discourages intimacy and proper connection. So if someone is relying solely on this form of communication when they are away from you, then you have good reason to be concern.

MiniTheMinx · 02/01/2015 18:27

It might be a genuine misunderstanding where this man doesn't fully realise how important communication is. More likely its the first issue of more to follow where he sets the limits, decides the terms and ignores OPs needs. Who knows, but one thing is for certain, if you tell someone how important something is to you and they ignore you, what they are actually doing is undermining you. They place no value on pleasing you and making you happy. Doesn't matter whether the issue is big or small.

jessmay · 02/01/2015 18:39

gypsy I could have written your post about my ex. I gave up everything for him. I ended up living in his city with his friends and family, never saw my own. He made out to love me but he put himself first on everything and I just let him do it. It got to the point where he was about all I had. Unlike you, I didn't get a month's notice. I got around 4 minutes notice when he casually told me after dinner one night that he was leaving (bags already in the car) and that it was my fault because I'd stopped being the girl he fell in love with. He told me (and others) he had tried and tried to make it work and yet I was in the dark that he was anything other than happy until the 4 minutes before he left me.

I found myself with nothing and no one and completely baffled over how someone who loved and needed me so much was doing this to me and it took a long time in counselling to see that he spoke words of love and expressed none of that in his day to day actions.

He never loved me.

He only needed me.

Until he didn't.

I hope I end up with the wonderful husband and the kids :) Keeping hopeful on that one and definitely not looking to throw away any more years of my life on people who can't be bothered to even phone me.

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NoveltySlippers · 02/01/2015 18:51

Hi Jess, been reading the thread. I went out with someone like this once and like yours, he wasn't a bad guy, but it struck me that he liked holding all his girlfriends at arms length and he wasn't ready / able to do intimacy.

I felt very empowered the day I ended it. Just a suggestion, but how about rather than waiting for another text for you to send a withering reply to, just send one now saying you're done and dusted and are moving on.

I get the feeling that by continuing to wait, you're still hoping that he'll declare his undying love / come through.

I'm guessing this because I know that's what I ended up doing (for three years. How I regret wasting those three years). I know how you feel. And it's painful but ripping off the plaster and just saying goodbye now will make you feel a whole lot better in the long run.

There are other men out there. Don't limit / waste yourself on this one.

Twinklestein · 02/01/2015 18:57

Not sure why you're leaving it until he contacts you OP, why not just end it now and get it over with?

jessmay · 02/01/2015 19:11

No, not hoping for anything. My mind is made up and I have been thinking this since we started really and it's not gotten better. Not just the lack of phonecalls but also him not talking much about what's going on in his life. I do feel like he keeps me at arms length but he wants to hear every details of my life and my day.

Not going to contact him just yet because I feel like if I do it's going to blow up into him getting angry again, whereas if I leave it a few days so that things settle then I can say it more calmly. If I text him now and end it while I'm still away he'll just think he can talk to me when I get back and sort it out.

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NoveltySlippers · 02/01/2015 19:15

Okay Jess good luck and Flowers for when you do it. It's hard, I know.

QueenandKingMum · 02/01/2015 19:19

I absolutely think you're doing the right thing, I'm the same I need that commitment and communication. Not too long out of a relationship like yours where he just dropped off the face of the earth. Save yourself that heartache now, he was just like this guy. I know I won't put up with it again and will ditch a lot sooner.

jessmay · 02/01/2015 20:38

Well for now his crap communication will work in my favour!

Really, thanks all for this. I really cleared my head here writing it all out and getting some affirmation that I wasn't being unreasonable. Sometimes when people act like you are it's quite hard to hold your mental ground.

the inadvertent side effect I suppose of him not being with me over this time and not calling has meant the intimacy has reduced a lot. It makes the break easier.

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daisychain01 · 02/01/2015 21:04

All the very best Jess.

Glad you are remaining resolute. It's his loss Smile