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Me again. ..

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CalmAndConfused · 14/11/2014 16:57

hi,

I've had several posts on here about mine and my husband's relationship. The last post was because he said we should separate, however we then decided to give it one last go...which part of me feels is just prolonging the inevitable.

Anyway I'm am going out with friends tonight (first time in over a year), and H made comments on the underwear I'm wearing. He always asks if there will be males there if I go places without him...even asking me one time when I was going to a funeral (aparantly I was taking this wrong and he was meaning it as a compliment about him thinking I looked nice Hmm ) .

Also he keeps going on about how I mustn't be to late in case the kids wake up...

Is all this normal as it makes me feel like crap and means I can't enjoy my time out as I am clock watching etc

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FunkyBoldRibena · 23/11/2014 10:25

Do you drive Calm? Can a family member come and pick you and the kids up and just lend you some cash to see you through?

CalmAndConfused · 23/11/2014 10:52

Yes I do itsfab. He won't accept it.

I do drive, my mum is out working today as is my sister so noone about

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tipsytrifle · 23/11/2014 12:04

Just as a btw - do you have an a/c in your name only? You'll need this asap for benefits and just because you need this. If money goes into a joint a/c make sure you divert any you have coming in to the new a/c and if you go with Friday, remove a fair amount ...

I think in your case once you're out is the time to work through any other financials like direct debits and whatevers.

His endless questioning is obsessional, controlling and abusive.
Just to remind you ...

bodumfan · 23/11/2014 12:07

Calm, with his past history (the choking) and since you're stuck there for the moment, please consider playing good dog. He is not going to stop this behaviour unless he feels you're back under his thumb.

You know him better than us, of course, is there a danger he is going to snap?

CalmAndConfused · 23/11/2014 12:41

I don't think he will, as for one he knows I would leave if he did.

I need to sort out an account in my name asap, I forgot about that.

I have no money coming into our joint account - it is all his salary. Because of this I'm guessing legally I don't have a leg to stand on to move any into my account.

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tipsytrifle · 23/11/2014 13:19

Actually, weirdly enough, from a joint a/c you have every legal right to move the lot ... I don't think you'll do that but you would not be behaving illegally to do so. Neither would he.

Any alleged excess/unreasonability would become part of future financial debate for redress. Long way ahead and sometimes NOW is way more important.

Please remember too that any overdrafts or debt relating to the joint a/c ... you are both EQUALLY liable for the whole amount. Once you are out that a/c needs to be frozen really. But that's another week.

Itsfab · 23/11/2014 13:49

Get cash back every time you do the food shop.

CalmAndConfused · 23/11/2014 15:05

Is GTBExH finding violence and gore 'funny' in games and films worrying?

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CalmAndConfused · 23/11/2014 15:06

p.s just wondering - don't need extra motivation to leave. That will happen Friday

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Itsfab · 23/11/2014 15:24

In the case of him, it is just more confirmation he is a twat.

ArgyMargy · 23/11/2014 15:47

Opening a bank account isn't that easy, especially if you have no regular income. I would try to sort that out as soon as you can. You will need lots of items to show your identity and proof of address etc.

CalmAndConfused · 23/11/2014 15:57

I know I can get a basic bank account from my current bank. So I will see them asap.

I feel so anxious and nauseous around him today, I'm am sweaty and shaky and feel very nervous and tense.

My mum has told me to proceed with divorce the courts will insist on marriage counselling :O that's not true is it?

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FunkyBoldRibena · 23/11/2014 16:07

My mum has told me to proceed with divorce the courts will insist on marriage counselling

No - it is not true!

You can decide on any day that you do not want to be in a marriage any more, and that's without the controlling and abuse.

The only thing you have to do is to declare why. Unreasonable behaviour is enough. It's worth saving up for!

CalmAndConfused · 23/11/2014 18:40

That's good to know funky, was panicking when she said that [relief emote]

Just putting this here so I can re-read it when I ask him to go. Tonight we were having dinner. I was feeding DD2, and DD1 asked to go to the toilet. I asked GTBExH is he could take her. He said no not really as he was eating. I pointed out I was feeding DD2. So he huffs up and says to DD1 'for god sake, this is ridiculous', before taking her to the loo Sad

Oh he also jokingly called both DD's retarded earlier as well... (he wasn't meaning it nastily - to him and his family it is an acceptable joke Hmm)

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mummytime · 23/11/2014 18:50

She may have been confused as they sometimes require you to try "mediation" but that isn't counselling just a lower cost way of deciding how to split the assets of the marriage.

Roomba · 23/11/2014 19:03

Calm, I'm reading your thread and almost having a panic attack as it is bringing back so many suffocating memories (not your fault!). My ex did all these things, and it was the attempts to control absolutely everything that I did, said and thought that almost killed my very being. My ex wasn't as violent as yours - he only ever slapped me twice right at the start then never again. But, as you say - he didn't need to be violent then, did he? I was already tiptoeing around on eggshells and placating him constantly.

This truly, truly is horrifically abusive and not normal. It took me a long time to realise this too as it was so subtle. Everyone else seemed to think the sun shined out of his arse, and he made it seem as though I was the one who people thought was controlling, mean and insane. In reality, once we split I was absolutely inundated with people saying thank god, we hated him, he was such a pompous controlling nutter! My parents wept with relief and told me they had been awake every night for years worrying about me, but didn't want to interfere and make it all so much worse. Friends I hadn't seen in years phoned me to invite me out, telling me they had backed off due to his behaviour and they couldn't stand to watch it any longer.

I've been there - constantly being intruded upon and spied upon. Couldn't even go to the loo without a sigh and a comment about why did I need to go so often, did I have a bladder problem (er, no I am perfectly normal). Couldn't go to bed early without him as had to stay up and listen to his monologues. Couldn't stay up after him as why on earth would I want to be in a room without him? What was I up to? He told me after I had DC1 that he couldn't understand why I wanted to go out for a meal with friends - what kind of mother doesn't want to stay at home with her child? My ex was self employed and worked from home, so I had this 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. He kept hold of my bank card at all times, as I was obviously so irresponsible with money that this was for my own good, see? I was so ashamed that I couldn't so much as go grab a coffee in my lunch break with colleagues - as I didn't have a penny on me and no cards. I made up endless excuses to avoid telling anyone this as I knew how it sounded.

I was never outright forbidden from doing anything per se. If I pointed out his control tactics I was trying to make him sound awful when all he did was care about me and love me. He twisted it all so I sounded like a careless, neglectful lazy parent, who couldn't even make a tiny effort to make the person she loved happy. Because that's what people do, try to make each other happy. Not sure why he never bothered to make me happy!

We split 18m ago and I am so so happy just waking up each day without him there next to me. Whatever happens in my life, however shit things may get at times - I don't wake up with that heavy, sick feeling in the pit of my stomach any more. I don't dread him entering the room, or my phone ringing. It hasn't been plain sailing but never was anything so worth it! And it is thanks to just reading some of the threads on here.

He often said we should split up, and I would beg him to stay - but the last time I just said 'Okay then' and then stuck to it. Nothing he said or did could change my mind, and he could see that I meant it.

I'm worried about you though, OP. His past violence is very extreme - throttling is a really big danger sign - one of the worst. Once he realises he has lost you, I fear he may become violent again. I am not exaggerating when I say ask WA about refuges. Really. If you don't need it in the end it is still good to know it is an option.

Sorry for the enormous essay! Keep your chin up and keep up the planning. Be safe. x

CalmAndConfused · 23/11/2014 19:08

Arh ok, yeah I think she was confused, as she said mediation, but interchanged it with counselling.

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CalmAndConfused · 23/11/2014 19:21

Just seen a post by cogito and wanted to stick it here so I don't lose it

"Never mistake the cessation of hostility for kindness. A dog trained to perform a trick by being hit with a stick will eventually keep doing the trick without the stick being present. The trainer just has to show the stick occasionally to keep the dog nicely cowed...."

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CalmAndConfused · 23/11/2014 19:28

Thank you so much roomba for your post. Reading it there are so many points which I just think 'omg yes' too.

The staying up after him - he hates it if I do that. It is the subtlety of it that is so bad, it is impossible to pin anything down, as it can always be excused away: and of course he also has his lovely moments. It is killing my very being. I can't be my own person at all while with him.

And to itsfab - you were right. GTBExH has tried to initiate sex tonight, because obviously the relationship is all fixed. More like I am back to being his to control Angry

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CalmAndConfused · 23/11/2014 19:28

Oh and he spun it as basically a reward for getting me a present....

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tipsytrifle · 23/11/2014 20:05

So you're expected to pay for your present (that you didn't want?) with your body? Were you able to avoid paying the toll? Oh Calm Sad

CalmAndConfused · 23/11/2014 20:12

Well I did want the present - just not from him Grin

Yes I made an excuse (which of course I was cross examined over).

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Itsfab · 23/11/2014 20:21

SadSad

And he did mean it nastily. He knows what he is saying, all his family do Angry.

tipsytrifle · 23/11/2014 21:36

In situations such as yours the giving of gifts becomes rather tricky. Literally as well as ethically and metaphorically.

First there is a price tag way beyond monetary value to be paid one way or another. Second there's inevitably power gamery going on and third, well ... do you really really want a material thing so much that you'll accept it from your abuser?

I'm worried because of course the night is still young; plenty of time to re-examine and interrogate excuses.

CalmAndConfused · 23/11/2014 21:37

I completely agree tipsy, with all your points, I'm going to bed now, so will be fine

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