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MIL problems..

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Happymum1985 · 11/11/2014 15:46

Thought id post here as really feel at a loss about what to do.. Sorry for the essay, its been going round and round in my head.

My DH is an only child and has always had a close relationship with his mum. She has had a troubled life and because of this, has quite a few issues. Up until DS was born last year, I found her hard work and quite demanding, but we managed to get along fine and I always made effort to see her and have contact with her because having a relationship with her was important to me.

Looking back there were signs she possibly didnt like me, because her reaction when DH told her about our engagement and pregnancy were very odd (she said she was busy and would call back later and hung up the phone). There was the odd thing like her wanting to go on holiday (on her own) with DH for two weeks (two years in a row) and expecting him to go down and stay with her a week before DS was born to 'dig holes in her garden' ?! But again, I tried to be tolerant of all this. She is on her own and doesnt have friends so I understood she was lonely.

Once DS had been born it started to go downhill fast. She came to stay with us the day I got out of hospital even though I had specifically said no visitors. When I got back and she showed up, I didnt have the energy/ didnt want to cause a scene so bit my tongue. She then proceeded to stay for 4 nights and didnt lift a finger to help, wanted to hold DS all the time when I was still in the stage when I felt like I wanted to bond with him and hold him all the time. There was a time il never forget when my DH had popped out and she said she was hungry and me- the mug- was trying to bend down to get plates etc and prepare lunch for her 5 days after a c-section whilst she held DS. Every time she came to stay subsequently she was the same- expecting hotel service and not understanding things had changed.

The last time I saw her was 4 months ago when she came to stay and everything exploded. In a nutshell, she had worked herself up into a rage- we didnt realise- because she wanted time alone with my DH and apparently she had told me this in the morning and we had agreed she could have this time alone with him (i do also find this slightly rude!) -I had totally forgot about this so rather than saying anything she had got really angry. Anyway, i was cooking and passed DS to DH. As I did so, she snatched DS out of my arms and stormed past me saying DS needed to sleep and DH was exhausted. I was fuming, DS started crying and DH sat there like a shell shock victim not knowing what to do. I stormed up after her and retrieved DS (I dont know what came over me but i was shaking in rage). She then stayed upstairs for about half an hour and DH took her out for a walk. On this walk she slagged me off and basically told him she wouldnt be coming to stay again as she found me stressful to be around, that I was a bad mother, a nasty person etc and tried to stir problems between my DH and I by saying I didnt seem to want to spend time with him..

Since she left we have had zero contact. My DH told her that she owed me an apology. She refused to apologise which infuriated me more, and made no contact. It is my DS birthday in a couple of weeks and she said she wanted to come up to see him on his birthday. We have told her we are having a family day but that she can visit around the time of his birthday. She then asked if she could stay at our house (she has no shame!!). My DH said he would speak to me.

When he got back to her and said no, and pointed out to her that she had previously said she couldnt bear to stay with us and would stay in a hotel for her next visit, she announced that she had already booked her train ticket. She then said she didnt have enough money to stay in hotel (rubbish) and said she would meet me for a coffee before staying at our house to 'sort things out' My DH pointed out that she was being a little naive by thinking all could be forgotten after a quick coffee...she also upset my DH by saying its hurting her that he is 'choosing me over her'. He told me last night that it feels unnatural to tell his mum she cant stay.

Am I being unreasonable? Am I doing the right thing? I have stuck to my guns and said she is welcome to come and see DS around his birthday and that I will meet up with her to talk but that she is not welcome to stay. I don't trust her and feel like she is someone that enjoys drama and creating problems and her demands on my DH's time are not conducive to a normal functional relationship. I don't hate anyone, but I think I might hate her.. I just have so much anger and resentment there that I don't know if I can get rid of... I know things cant go on like this but I cant bear her and dont know how to move forward...

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LoonvanBoon · 26/11/2014 20:41

Oh Happy, that sounds horrendous. Flowers What an awful woman. Your DH had better be busy defending you to the hilt after what he's put you through with his mum.

Happymum1985 · 26/11/2014 20:49

Middleton, her mum had drug problems and left her and her sister when they were young with their father. He then died when the girls were 15 and 17, but they didnt get picked up by social services and ended up leaving school and fending for themselves. MIL has been an alcoholic for years but stopped drinking completely 4 years ago.

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Castlemilk · 26/11/2014 20:50

Well, he won't be defending you to the hilt, will he?

What will happen: she'll spin him all sorts of nonsense. You will tell him how it went. And although he will know full well that the truth of it lies with you, he will also know that to acknowledge that and support you in trying to sort it as normal people would will simply open up a world of hell for him with his mum, and so he will do what he's done so far and adopt a slightly pained air, sitting on the fence while making sympathetic noises to you whilst trying to persuade you to let it all go, because it's easier to try and shut you down than have it out with his mum.

And he's known this from the start, and probably there's a slight bit of deliberate setting you up to have gone alone to the meeting, because he knows if he'd been there, the fact that you're right and she's batshit would be much harder to brush off. That's why everyone said tape it. Yes, to play it to him saying 'well listen to this then' when he starts mumbling the platitudes.

The only way to sort this is to get hard. She hasn't apologised, so she's not welcome back. That's the first thing. You don't want to see her until she does. And then I'd want to to sit down in a second meeting with her and your DH and would like him to make it clear to her where his loyalties lie, that no 'her son's house' is in fact the home of you and your family first and foremost, and she has no right to stay there without clearing it with you too. She has absolutely NO rights to your child that aren't sanctioned by you. Etc.

Your DH isn't going to like this one bit. You will, eventually, get to the stage where you look him in the eye and say, right, maybe you do have to choose. Because I won't be sticking around until this person is told in no uncertain terms that she doesn't get to be the third wheel in my marriage and my life. If that's the option, I'll ditch the marriage.

MiddletonPink · 26/11/2014 20:59

Ok thanks for explaining that OP. Being left as a young child, along with her mothers drug problems then her father dying at 15 and fending for herself says a lot to why she is so attached to her only son.

I know you just want a happy family life. I get that. Her problems aren't yours. But she is part of your family because of your DH and DS.

From the sound of it this woman sounds very troubled and unhappy. Not the worst behaviour from a mil I've seen in here tbh. I do think you are both struggling with each other. You are very angry and resentful and she sees this.

What about your DH spending a few hours every few weeks with just her?

LoonvanBoon · 26/11/2014 21:01

I fear you're completely right there, castlemilk. Are you not at all angry with your DH as well as your MIL, Happy? I would feel furious & so betrayed.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 26/11/2014 21:04

That meeting went precisely how I expected it to go; typical narcissistic behaviour from MIL there by being the victim. Goodness alone knows what nonsense she will fill her son with now.

I would keep both yourself and your child well away from her now; your child must certainly never be left alone with her and even with you present. Your DH can have a relationship with her if he wants but it does not follow that you and your child have to. Some grandparents really should not be allowed access to their grandchildren and this MIL is a case in point.

A second meeting is not required because your DH will continue to be spineless in the face of his mother.

JustSpeakSense · 26/11/2014 21:04

I predict she will tell him a pack of lies when she has him alone, he will probably not defend you to her. I feel sorry for him, because he will be caught in the FOG (fear, obligation, guilt).

You must not meet with her alone, and neither must he. You and your DH must present a united front.

She has not apologised, she does not respect you (in fact I think she despises you). You need to remain civil, but firm with her.

You are not being at all unreasonable here. Good luck Op

Meerka · 26/11/2014 21:04

castlemilk is right.

At least you stood up for yoruself today a bit. But now it's going to ramp up.

Divide and conquor, divide and conquor. She's dividing you (separate sessions). Now she'll work on conquoring.

I hope your husband can find the guts to stand up to her.

JammyGeorge · 26/11/2014 21:06

Don't let this 'chat' cloud your judgement. She's trying to spin everything to suit her and as we speak will be pouring her heart out to your DH.

But before you met her today you had a set of boundaries in your mind and an agreement with your DH as to what needs to happen to allow her back into your life. Those boundaries etc are still there. All she's done is spout out a load of bullshit.

She's a selfish idiot. You know that. Your DH knows that. Her wider family know that. They may all dance to her tune and DH might want you to shut up and forget it for the sake of an easy life but at the bottom of it he knows she's in the wrong, don't forget that.

MommyBird · 26/11/2014 21:06

This is when shit will hit the fan.

Prepare yourself.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 26/11/2014 21:08

Can you be certain that she has not drunk alcohol during the last 4 years?.

This woman had a hard time in childhood of that there is no doubt whatsoever but it is still no justification for how she has and continues to behave now. Many people have abusive childhoods and become functioning adults. They do not all become ex alcoholics or also like your MIL play the victim and scream at the unfortunate DIL who happens to be married to their oh so precious darling boy who she clings onto like a limpet.

Happymum1985 · 26/11/2014 21:10

Middleton yes you are right, but she has an obsessive side to her that is also so difficult to manage i.e if you don't answer phone she will call 14 times in a row etc. And she makes it difficult to make allowances for her because she is not likeable. She doesnt live close enough to see him once a week, but I have never ever stopped her from seeing him, and have always been careful to give her 'alone time' with him. I am very angry and resentful I guess yes, but I dont know how to overcome it apart from keeping her as far away from me as I can.

Castlemilk thanks for post and I think you prob are. I am trying to remain positive as he was supportitive before he left when he got home from work. I think im conscious that if we start inhouse arguing over it a) im as bad as she is and b) where will that get us?

Why would I feel furious and betrayed? I dont feel he is doubting me so far, and I do see that its a tough place for him to be in. He has been his mums carer/husband/friend/son his whole life and I think its difficult for him to be tough with her.. I wish he would dont get me wrong.. I do.. but I dont want to offer an ultimatum or anything because I honestly dont think he has to choose between us, I think he must just remain loyal if that makes sense.

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MiddletonPink · 26/11/2014 21:14

DH goes to see her once every three weeks for the day, maybe takes ds?
You have a nice day to yourself.

Happymum1985 · 26/11/2014 21:15

Attilla you totally get it.

I'm starting to feel nervous because I dont want him to come home and us to argue. The worst outcome would be him coming home and doubting me. If that happens I dont know how il move forward from there. Aggghhh this bloody woman. She does hate me, I could see it in her eyes today. Quite scary actually. I told her she didnt respect me. She said that wasnt true. I feel like she needs to see shes met her match with me. I wont take it and I wont fall for it. Lets just hope she doesnt destroy my relationship...

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Happymum1985 · 26/11/2014 21:16

He does this already Middleton. About once a month. And I have said they should both go to her house on boxing day for a few days and I will go to my mums...

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Happymum1985 · 26/11/2014 21:17

Mommybird youre scaring me!!!

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TinyWishes · 26/11/2014 21:19

Is he back yet? I don't know how you've managed to keep so calm. I would've told her to feck off and had NC a long time ago. She sounds horrid.

TinyWishes · 26/11/2014 21:20

You both need to be present at all times when you see her. None of this 'she sees him alone' she cannot be trusted to try and not poison him!

TinyWishes · 26/11/2014 21:20

Show her a united front. Together.

JammyGeorge · 26/11/2014 21:24

I've had my fair share of mil problems not far off this and I take a different stance in that I'm part of my family and if mil wants to see my ds's she needs to see me too. Why should you be excluded from family time because she can't behave herself? Why should you spend time apart from DS over the Xmas holidays?

Id stick to your basic plan - she can come and stay but in a hotel. You've shown in this visit you can be reasonable and are happy for her to have alone time with DH and DS.

I know how awful and upsetting this all is but try and keep a level head.

There's always the option that she's currently sat filling DH with a story of how you and her have both said your piece and everything's peachy...so she can come and stay...

MommyBird · 26/11/2014 21:26

My MIL was your MIL.
I was hear, posting what you was posting.
Attila was giving me the same advice as she is with you.
There is no talking to or reasoning with a toxic narc. You can't have a normal realationship with one. They will not accept any blame, they will allways be the victim. She has always just wanted the best for her son and you, she cares and loves you so much, you know? She is heartbroken at the way she has been treated.

I haven't seen my MIL in over a year. Neither as my DH. The constant anxiety, panic attacks, palaparotions wasn't worth it. I told my husband I washould fucking done.

Prepare yourself.
she will be telling your husband a pack of lies. She'll probley develop an illness tonight or in the coming weeks. Depression, heart problems and cancer are the favourites.

MommyBird · 26/11/2014 21:27

*Here. Sorry the typos I absolutely hate my phone.

Happymum1985 · 26/11/2014 21:27

Jammygeorge I was wondering if that was what that text was all about wanting to come over.. her realising what she needed was to present the impression that the cracks had been smoothed over..

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AcrossthePond55 · 26/11/2014 21:27

Based on what you've said, her version of the 'truth' to your DH will be;

She spoke calmly to you (i.e. that monotone voice)

She had to ask you to stop 'attacking her' (even though you weren't)

She offered forgiveness and to 'be friends' (when you've done nothing to her)

She thinks you are trying to to ostracize her from DH and 'the family' (not that you said anything like that, but she can 'infer' it)

You got up and walked out (OK, that's true, but with provocation)

You refused to have her over just to have a friendly cup with her (see above)

Can you see how none of this is technically a lie, but is her version of the truth based on her own actions & statements? No, she won't tell DH that you said something you really didn't, she'll just put a spin on what SHE said and what you did in reaction. She's really poison, isn't she?

Unfortunately, unless your DH grows a pair, I think you're in for a rough ride!

MommyBird · 26/11/2014 21:31

Oh my. Just re read that. Blush
Hope you can translate it.