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It was never 'work stress', it's emotional abuse and you're going to get divorced because of it H! (part3)

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thenamehaschanged · 28/09/2014 09:53

New thread!

As always I'm hopeless and can't link properly to my old thread Work stress? Err I don't think so mate'

Thank you everyone for finishing off the last thread- glad to be starting afresh actually! I did have a little chuckle about Greg the plumber (Phwoar!!) thanks H for the suggestion - us at Mumsnet ran with it and he sounds like my dream man haha!

Anyway - I'm upstairs as usual avoiding going down and seeing old King of the Castle in his throne. He came up half an hour ago in the hope of 'some action' but was told to bugger off - he's manageable at the moment because all of a sudden it's him who's 'scared to rock the boat' and keeps telling me how grateful if he is to have been allowed back - yack! (You didn't give me a lot of choice H though did you? You played every emotional card in your pack and then literally forced your way in!)

Anyway - I'm feeling strong, seeing the police tomorrow - and action plan will be in place!

Love to you all Thanks Thanks

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thenamehaschanged · 13/10/2014 17:11

Oh thank you so much again everyone!! Grin Thanks

Well, I'm back - what a day, my heads swimming a little with all the info!

So firstly the police lady, she was great - it was a long time giving the statement, 2 hours in all, and was quite draining. It's going to take her a day to get it all up on the system and then she needs to go over it with her supervisor to see if there are any 'chargeable crimes' in it and then she'll call me back in to review it, sign it - and then we will go from there with what action plan is best - she had some bits from my last police force involvement but not the actual statement annoyingly she said, so she's going to chase that tomorrow.

She said....that yes abuse is being more and more recognised and there are new interventions and orders and police powers being put forward BUT these aren't actually in force yet so she can only look at my case from a crime or domestic disturbance point of view at the moment.

I wondered whether she said that because all his texts and emails (the harassment) are non aggressive? I'm not sure but you can plainly see me asking him not to contact me and him just carrying on anyway.

She said her, rotty and victim support will get me free of this and back on my feet though so I felt good when I left.

Then lovely Victim Support lady - she totally knew what I was talking about and knew exactly H's sort cunt she knows rotty who I'm seeing tomorrow although - a bit of what she said about non mols worried me as it was her understanding that occ orders get them out of the house, but a non mol can mean that he can still be allowed to live in the house but that we use rooms at different set times - but she also said that she wasn't a legal expert as such so rotty will fully clear that up for me tomorrow.

I just thought please not another 'brick wall' there is no way I can live here with H when he finally realises he's lost control and the divorce is happening - even with a non mol in place - because as she explained, they are very difficult to police - he's horrid to me so I report him for a breach of the non mol, there are no witnesses and I don't have a black eye. Very difficult.

But we did talk me leaving, and so did the PO. I am to triple clarify the implications of leaving with rotty tomorrow but PO wanted me somewhere safe when H is spoken to and victim support lady said if it's domestic abuse you are fleeing and you want the house sold in the divorce then she couldn't see why it would be detrimental.....but again she's not a legal expert haha!!

So round and round I go!

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thenamehaschanged · 13/10/2014 17:18

I tell you something, if after all this it transpires that I could just have left at the start I'll kick myself or more importantly Solicitor 1.

She emailed me today asking for an update and telling me H hasn't been in touch with her (or rather he clearly doesn't have any legal representation)

I have ignored her for now!

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Mitzimaybe · 13/10/2014 17:28

Well done, name!

Don't ignore the email from Solicitor1, she'll only email again - and she'll be charging you £££ for every email she sends. Reply asking her not to take any further action for the time being...

then ask the rottweiler tomorrow how you should handle disposing of the useless one.

WellWhoKnew · 13/10/2014 17:29

The house thing, I can explain.

If you sell your house in the divorce, you are making yourself and your children homeless - where are you going to move on to?

Because you are liquidating a 'capital asset' of the marriage, any proceeds will have to go to your solicitor's escrow account. You will not be able to spend any of it without his say-so, even though it's half yours!

Does this sound familiar? Because that's the madness of my situation....

The only way you get his say-so is if he co-operates with this divorce that you instigated. At the moment, I'd bet my bottom dollar on him being difficult, myself.

Once he gets to the negotiating table (and he hasn't acknowledged the divorce yet) you can agree what can happen with the house and sign 'undertakings' these are joint (and imposed if court-ordered) agreements in order for you to buy another house, for example, or use that money to home you and the children. Soooo....

That's why it's a bad idea to do anything with the matrimonial assets when you're about to head into litigation. The 'other side' get very alarmed when you see them disposing marital assets without joint agreement, and it looks, very, very, very bad to the court. (I'm looking at you STBXH).

Does that make sense?

You are now, ticket in hand, firmly heading into the parallel universe of divorce. That's why we all think we're going mad....

thenamehaschanged · 13/10/2014 17:30

Sorry I wasn't clear - victim support lady said that occ orders are difficult to get as judges don't like granting them as they are making a person homeless and I would need recent evidence of violence in support - and sex 'under coercion' is very difficult to prove.

BUT - I should take heart as I'm doing all the right things.

So I don't know - PO asked me when we'd last had sex and I told her the incident but said I really didn't want to start hinting at rape. I know you all probably don't agree but I just can't.

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Mitzimaybe · 13/10/2014 17:31

she needs to go over it... to see if there are any chargeable crimes

Surely spitting on you is assault? People who spit on the police are definitely charged with assaulting a police officer.

thenamehaschanged · 13/10/2014 17:35

Thank you wwk!! Thanks I think?! Haha! No honestly thanks because it is just maddening dealing with all this conflicting information!

Will do Mitzie thank you Thanks she's all paid up to date so I can tell her to hold off for now.

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Darkesteyes · 13/10/2014 17:37

YY mitzi Different rules for different folks eh? It shows that Name is being seen as her husbands property. Sad

Having to jump through all these hoops is ridiculous.

thenamehaschanged · 13/10/2014 17:37

Mitzie I think she was just rounding up our time together and saying next steps - she has to sit with the superintendent now and go through it all but the spitting is definitely going to be put to him - it's bloody assault!! Proveable or not, he's admitted it, it happened! We'll see what she says in a day or so anyway!

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thenamehaschanged · 13/10/2014 17:38

Thanks Darkest Thanks I could join a circus with the amount of hoop jumping experience I have now! Grin

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AcrossthePond55 · 13/10/2014 17:51

baby steps, name. You're a bit more educated today than you were yesterday, and that's good. VS lady isn't (as she said herself) a legal expert, so just let what she said go and concentrate on the fact that you will be getting advice from an expert when you see rotty tomorrow.

I don't know if there's one in the UK, but there is a mobile app available here (US) for DV victims that appears to be nothing but a news website. But when it's open and you push an innocuous button it starts recording everything that is said without any type of light or alert. Push another button and it calls pre-selected contacts (or police) and gives them your location and a recorded message to come over as you need assistance. May be useful to you to help show the authorities that he gets out of control.

It's so frustrating that EA isn't really given the weight it deserves. It's soul-destroying to live with someone who belittles you or you have to walk on eggshells to avoid an 'explosion'. 'Sticks and stones & words never hurting' is bullshit.

FantasticButtocks · 13/10/2014 18:06

Well done for everything you did today!!!! Flowers Hope you feel empowered as well as scared and confused You are very nearly there now, and sounds like you are getting a great team together; I particularly like the sound of Rotty Grin

thenamehaschanged · 13/10/2014 18:11

Gosh that sounds very forward forward thinking Pond - afaik there's nothing like that here but should be!

I hate the 'sticks and stones' saying. It is utter bullshit and H has quoted it to me a couple of times in the past actually.

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thenamehaschanged · 13/10/2014 18:15

Thanks FB! Thanks a solicitor that has close links with the police and victim support is going to be ace for me I think. Really looking forward to seeing her straight after the freedom programme tomorrow.

I'm just wondering though - should I get her to handle everything now with the divorce or just the non mol/occ order, and keep solicitor 1 for the financials.

Although judging by her leniency, she might not be good with child arrangements so probably best to go with rotty there?

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FantasticButtocks · 13/10/2014 18:19

I think the answer to that will become clearer after you've talked to rotty tomorrow...

Itsfab · 13/10/2014 18:20

I am another one who saw the story and worried about whether she was a mumsnetter.

Be careful, name.

I know I am a broken record but we all know what some men can be like when they realise they are not dictating what happens anymore.

thenamehaschanged · 13/10/2014 18:33

Yes good point FB I think so too. Head swimming!

I know Itsfab - these 'news stories' get forgotten about with the next day's news, but they are so poignant to me, I don't forget, the little girl who was shot dead as well recently - she was still alive when I posted about her on my last thread and what H said about it - but I was so so sad to see she had died :(

Don't worry I'm being as careful as I can be in this sort of situation - I'm not about to 'test' H by bringing up the divorce and enforcing my rights - I am just carefully playing along so as not to arouse suspicion but also remaining guarded enough as not to be seen as leading him on.

I can keep this up for about another week I think before divorce crunch time is here again, so thank god I got in to see the PO today!

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auntpetunia · 13/10/2014 18:33

I'm so glad I haven't see this news story! Only intermittent wifi today. Stay strong name.

Itsfab · 13/10/2014 19:08

Don't forget to delete history on your computer, etc.

Annarose2014 · 13/10/2014 19:27

Solicitor 1 is a wet lettuce. I wouldn't bother with her. She's always sounded a bit limp at best, thick at worst.

RandomMess · 13/10/2014 19:28

Thinking of you, KOKO

LickleMiss · 13/10/2014 19:32

What news story???

MexicanSpringtime · 13/10/2014 19:42

I don't know your educational background OP, but have you thought of a career in family law? I would say these last six months would stand you in good stead for a good portion of the studies.

What a minefield!

thenamehaschanged · 13/10/2014 20:25

Haha! Good idea Mexican, although if I'm about to embark on a degree of any sort, I'd better not score lower than a 2:1! Grin

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auntpetunia · 13/10/2014 20:43

Oh I really want your solicitor or barrister to have a 2:2!!! Is that bad? I'd have to tell him....