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Work Stress? Err don't think so mate!

999 replies

thenamehaschanged · 02/09/2014 18:49

I can't copy and paste a link rather annoyingly - but this is my follow on thread from my original How far can he take the stressed from work excuse?

It burst at the seams with all the fantastic MN support I received and so I have started a new one as I carry on my journey of divorcing my very abusive husband.

Thanks
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CheeseToastie123 · 02/09/2014 21:28

Another delurker. Waving pom poms for you here, name. Let us know when we can all have a drink to celebrate!

shitatusernames · 02/09/2014 21:29

Funny how he's claiming you're an alkie yet he's out having a few pints, oh yes beyond that'll be next.

auntpetunia · 02/09/2014 21:36

Found you! Can't believe the way it's all moved on in the last 24 hours... He is a total total bastard. He is defo trying to set up a case against you. The texts, the contact to AA, he's playing a game.

KOKO and don't let the bastarda grind you down Thanks

50ShadesofGreyMatter · 02/09/2014 21:59

Delurking very briefly again just to say I check on you every day from the Antipodes and wishing you everything you wish for yourself Grin

I do hope you have copied and pasted your old thread to keep.

AMillionNameChangesLater · 02/09/2014 22:02

Waving pom poms and adding my support. You're doing great

Clutterbugsmum · 02/09/2014 22:22

So last night you were a alcoholic and tonight he telling you, you need a drink. I wish he would make his mind up Grin.

OneSkinnyChip · 02/09/2014 22:32

Op your threads are Shock

I really wish you well but please, please don't drink and do consider recording conversations, especially when he is at home and lets the mask slip.

thenamehaschanged · 02/09/2014 22:41

Thank you so much lovely ladies Thanks Thanks

Haha exactly Clutter! Dur! Grin
Hi Petunia! Yes it's gone crazy again over at Chez Thename - just bizarre isn't it!

I've gone to bed now as don't want to see him when he gets in - what a total effing arsehole doing that to me today with bloody AA and now he's out boozing!

Urgh just the lowest of the low. Got my counselling appointment tomorrow actually so will be good to get into that system too.

Goodnight everyone Thanks X

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Adarajames · 02/09/2014 22:51

Glad you're holding strong lovely, not long and he'll be gone, but please please, get back in touch with WA so if / when you need to get somewhere safe very suddenly, you've got somewhere lined up as I feel it's going to get nasty and want you and your girls to be safe x

NettleTea · 02/09/2014 23:16

he probably likes you a bit drunk, because then you dont have the strength and wherewithall to get up and leave.
Mine used to be the same with dope. Knew I had a bit of a problem with it. Knew it zonked me out and I used it to block out the awfulness of the relationship, to try to forget how terrible it was. I used to beg him not to bring it in the house but he still did, and left it 'for me' so he could do as he pleased and I was not capable of sorting my life out.
Strangely, once he left, I used what was left and have never touched it since, in 12 years.
I also think many many are on ADs and drink as a result of the relationships they are in.
Cheering you on til you are rid of this arse.
Be careful
Be vigilant
Be aware
Take time and consideration before you say a word to him.

WellWhoKnew · 03/09/2014 00:21

Hello, thought I'd check in to see how you are going.

Great guns, it appears!

I rather suspect if he's mucking with your head now - it'll ramp up considerably once you serve him with divorce papers. Just so you know!

Divorce is not about who did what to whom; who is the least moral person; who is closer to God. Divorce is about separating the assets and making sure the children are looked after in a way that serves their best needs. Remember that at all times. They do need a relationship with him. You don't. Keep up the disassociation....

I'll bet my bottom dollar that as soon as you serve the divorce he will allege, from his pad far away from the marital home that you're an alcoholic, emotionally-abusive and utterly unfit parent. I bet he may even come up with the immortal "I'm going for custody".

Don't even bother getting distressed about this.

A judge won't even ask why he chose to 'protect' himself by staying elsewhere from your delinquency, and why given your inherent instability, he chose to protect himself elsewhere sans children.

Given you are the primary carer and he's kept well away for long periods of time during the marriage - this should be enough evidence for maintaining the situation. If he had concerns about the children he's had ample enough time to deal with that when he was best placed to do so (e.g. not in the middle of a divorce). Spouting this nonsense in divorce is most definitely not the most convincing of times. The same rule applies for you. This is about getting out, staying out and thriving out.

For example, my husband alleges that all of the money he has put in my account for the last 15 years (and which he had total control over) was in fact a loan. Funnily enough, he is now asking for the loan to be repaid.

I did not know it was a loan. I thought it was a marriage. Well, who knew that I was so deluded? Thankfully the paperwork (and lack of) helps me to realise it was a marriage and not a loan.

Keep that disassociated head on your shoulders at all times (and trust me, I've probably run up several hundred pounds ranting to my solicitor about this bullshit - and I realise I really didn't need to). He can say, do, think what he likes.

So can you. Don't put a foot wrong - and you can't go wrong. So don't get into arguments, spats, tit for tats. You've got a solicitor - leave them to deal with it from a legal perspective.

Rant away here - we're all with you, too many of us have walked in your shoes. Some of us are lunatics, some of us like wine, most of us are 'mad ex-wives': None of us have much tolerance for your husband, my husband or most of the ex-husbands.

Trust your solicitor when the husband is untrustworthy. It keeps the madness in check Wink.

auntpetunia · 03/09/2014 06:49

Everything WWK says is spot on.

Be careful. A man on the radio today said if you're trying to think of something to say and don't want to sound unsure by saying err say so, it give you a chance to think of what to say next.

I quite like the thought of "I know you like your wine, probably best to only have 2/3 though heh?

"So, first I'm an alcoholic and now you're encouraging me to have a drink?"

Or "we can have a great life I'll go to counselling, it's all in your head "

"So, why do we need counselling if it's all in my head"

It's much more a statement and if he is recording you it gives you a chance to think of what to say before saying it, It also stops you sounding confused or dumb when in actual fact you'd have been incredulous more Shock than Hmm.

Keep safe lovely lady.

carlywurly · 03/09/2014 07:14

Morning op, I've read the entire way through your threads since last night and I'm tired Smile

Your h reminds me so much of my xh. The being nice on the phone but that totally changing when he came home from working away, the mind games at the end.

I got a shit hot scary lawyer and ended up with all the equity in the house, my car, savings and child and spousal maintenance.
He did the threats of filing for custody which I'm glad I ignored as they went precisely nowhere. I used tax credits, remortgaged and got myself a full time job for a while, which was tough going but secured the house.

After years of being nasty and as it later transpired, having affairs, he also filed against me for my unreasonable behaviour with the most ridiculous reasons ever. It wasn't worth contesting, I let it go and it all went through with surprisingly low costs - about £3500 even with a v expensive lawyer.

So what I'm saying is steel yourself, gather good friends around you and ride this bit out. This really is the worst bit. Once you've got everything in motion and you're safe, you can focus on you and your lovely dds. With distance, xh and I get on surprisingly well now, and he's turned into a much better father than he was back then. Counselling really helped so I'm glad you're doing this.

I hope today is ok for you Thanks

Clutterbugsmum · 03/09/2014 07:41

WWK aren't you tempted to bill your ex £XxX per hour for all your cooking, cleaning etc you did during your marriage.

Stupidhead · 03/09/2014 08:00

Ooh oh oh! My ex went mental (EA alki arsehole) when I gave up drinking for 3 months! It's all control m'dear. You're doing great Grin

BranchingOut · 03/09/2014 09:54

Signing in, another lurker who has been thinking of you and read your last thread.

LuvDaMorso · 03/09/2014 10:03

He is drinking an awful lot himself.

He is encouraging you to drink with him even when you don't want to.

Sounds like it is you with the case against him for alcoholism!

I do hope you are documenting his drinking and his pushing you to drink. Right back at ya mate!

thenamehaschanged · 03/09/2014 10:53

Oh good morning everybody Grin Thanks reading all your words last night and today has kept my spirits lifted Thanks

Gosh Nettle you and I the same - this is another eye opener, another one haha, that absolutely everything is about control, everything. Not one word from his mouth and not one of his actions isn't. I'm so glad you blossomed once you got rid of your ex!

Hi WWK - thank you so much for that - you have really put my mind at rest and I have emailed my solicitor this morning detailing what happened and what he is trying to insinuate and because of your words I have steeled myself. He always threatened he would do this if I tried to leave him as he knows taking the kids away is the most frightening thing for me. I hope you're ok, you certainly sound strong Grin Thanks

Carly thank you too Thanks that was so positive and encouraging - that's good you're actually on decent terms now with your ex!

Thank you so much for the support everyone else, too many names to mention now haha Grin Thanks Thanks

Yes so I have emailed my solicitor to let her know what he's been up to - kids went back to school today bless them, and i have my counselling appointment at 1 - it's a phone assessment and from that they'll let me know what services they can offer - I want the full shebang! I'll just lay it all out and hope this will be a further life changer for me!

Thanks Thanks

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AMillionNameChangesLater · 03/09/2014 12:41

Hoping the call goes well!

captainmummy · 03/09/2014 12:50

Really, name, don't worry about him 'getting' the dc. They all threaten it, because they know that it's the one thing that will keep you in an abusive marriage, under control, or just because they like hurting you. Losing the dc is most mothers' worst nightmare, so they play on that. He/they don't want the dc, they just dont want you to have a nice life!

It's like they think they can just say 'Your Honour, she is mental/an alcoholic/psychotic' and the judge will say 'oh ok then, we believe everything you say mr X, there you go, have the dc, award costs against Mrs X, and she deserves everything you can do to her for having the temerity to break away from your abuse '.

Hahahahahahaha, wake up call for Mr X.

Katosav · 03/09/2014 13:35

I'm another one who is worried about how he is going to react when the papers are served. Have you decided what your plan is yet?

thenamehaschanged · 03/09/2014 13:57

Haha thanks Captain - more reassurance very gratefully received Thanks

Kato - I'm ok, my plan is to get a non molestation order at the same time as the papers get served so he will know not to contact me and I also plan to go into a refuge the same day too so that we're not around while the dust settles. pretty strong stuff but his previous and current behaviour doesn't leave me with much choice. Who knows how he's going to play it. He could leave me well alone and make me look silly and over dramatic with a non mol order but it's not a risk I want to take really. I prefer to think along the lines that he is capable of anything so prepare for all eventualities.

Thanks million - I have had my call, looks like I'm going to be recommended for CBT which sounds good. Only thing is there's a waiting list but that's ok, I have survived this far, I am just carrying on getting my 'house' in order so to speak while I wait.

Feeling positive anyway Thanks although h texted me earlier wanting to take my parents and me and the kids out for a curry tonight pah! What is he like! He has taken to putting kisses on his texts now which we have never, ever done - to friends yes, but between me and him? Never! Hmm

Anyway it will be a sparkling water for me tonight which he will probably try and talk me out of.

My mum got all uppity - she thinks he has a problem with her and tried to refuse going until my dad stepped in and told her to stop making it all about her and that they should support me in towing the line for now and had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that he loves a curry Grin

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FuckYouChrisAndThatHorse · 03/09/2014 14:04

I have spent all morning reading your first thread.

Two points stand out:-

  1. Your STBXH is a cock womble
  2. You will be so much happier and stronger without him, and you're so close!

Well done you for seeing through him. It's not easy, and by the time you have your brain is mush, which makes the whole thing so much harder. But if I can escape, you can escape :)

Can't wait to read of how you and your dcs are safe and happy.

Good luck!

Twinklestein · 03/09/2014 14:06

Great, you can all have a good, fun, dysfunctional curry.

captainmummy · 03/09/2014 16:00

Twinkle is right - why are you going? just because he says it, doesn't mean you are obligated to go out with him! Send him out for a takeaway and eat it at home. Your dad can have his curry, your mum doesn't have to worry about how he thinks of her and you don't have to suffer his digs/pretend niceness/potenital laying the ground for something else to level at you (can't think what - maybe an addiction to naan?) Grin
Honestly dont go. You are separating. You don't need to do cosy meals out. On past form, he will reduce you to tears, or make a scene, or something. It is not going to be a treat, put it that way.

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