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UrsulaBuffay · 23/08/2014 15:38

As we were saying...

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dippinmytoe · 29/08/2014 13:35

jesy you have to stop contact with him.. friend or no friend. By being in contact you will not heal. I don't actually think he is a good friend at all but a manipulator. .. boosts you but also knocks you down... Controlling is the word !!

jesy · 29/08/2014 13:43

He was just honest with me he saw a girl he liked but it didn't work out.
He has never knocked me down in fact till encouraging me

FolkGirl · 29/08/2014 13:51

No, I don't thinks he's a good friend either. I think he likes the fact you are around him, and he clearly gets something from it. But I think he has his best interests at heart. Not yours. But I've said that for quite a while now and I know that not everyone agree with me. Which is fine Smile

If you don't have other people around you, and you are clearly very down at the moment about a number of things (work, that business with your last boss and the pay, relationships, etc), is it not possible that your boundaries are a little 'quiffy' (I know mine are) and that makes it difficult to interpret other people's intentions/motivations accurately?

If he was such a good influence in your life, you wouldn't be posting on here so full of angst about him.

dippinmytoe · 29/08/2014 14:04

Exactly folk he dropped you jesy when he fancied someone, she didn't work out ... when you are down , you are vulnerable and he is completely playing with your emotions.. guys like that totally pee me off !! build yourself up , get new friends away from him and his cronies ... I would forget about a boyfriend , fb or fwb until you are emotionally back on track..

jesy · 29/08/2014 14:18

We both knew what we were doing a d I expected it to end after every time I saw him.

Finding new friends not easy not when u have never really had them

knittedknickers · 29/08/2014 14:20

I'm really interested to know if I'm weird about this or if it's common...I find OLD quite stressful and one of the reasons is that quite often, when I've got a date coming up, I can see that the guy is still on the site, obviously either talking to a woman or browsing - either way I feel seriously miffed. This has happened several times when i'm on date two or three with the guy and he's gone on about how much he likes me (and genuinely seems to be v keen when we're together). I am not really when I don't feel excited about the guy i'm meeting but when i like him it makes me feel really insecure. Do other people feel like this or do i expect too much?

FolkGirl · 29/08/2014 14:26

I just think the power dynamic is all wrong, jesy.

You are the one who is never quite sure, the one who is feeling uncertain, the one who is dropped and picked back up again, the one who is wondering about his feelings and intentions, the one who was expecting it to end every time you saw him...

He is the one who knows exactly what's going on, who is happy to be benevolent and offer you support, the one who is happy to flatter you, the one who is strong enough to risk losing you when he reveals his feelings for another girl, and the one who knows (whatever he said to you) that you would continue to be his friend despite his behaviour towards you...

You struggle with friendships. You are scared of losing him. But he does not feel this way about you.

IIRC, we had a PM exchange months ago about some things you could do in your area to meet people. These are the ways to find real friends.

please don't take this the wrong way, but I read your posts and I could shake you. You're worth so much more than you're accepting from these men Sad

dippinmytoe · 29/08/2014 14:27

knitted what site are you on ?? I know on pof once someone has looked at your profile you can't tell if they look again... He could be doing that. Also if he's online and you are too, what are you doing online ? I used to get het up about od, but since I came off it for a while , went on holiday and rejoined , I feel much better about it all.... I'm not all anxious etc, ironically this guy is not a big texter whereas I am... but it is actually not bothering me.

FolkGirl · 29/08/2014 14:28

knitted that's exactly how I felt in the end, and exactly why I wouldn't do it again.

dippinmytoe · 29/08/2014 14:28

jesy join a meet up group... They are free ( well most are) ...

knittedknickers · 29/08/2014 14:45

I know, Folk - I'm just exasperated for you x
Dippin - no, that's the thing. If i'm meeting someone that i really like then I'm not interested in other men but - and this is where my neuroticism shows - i'm desperately checking to see if the guy i like is on there. Do other people find that their dates (particularly at 2nd or third date time) are not online or do you not check?

dippinmytoe · 29/08/2014 14:53

We will be meeting girls the third time Sunday. .. generally he is not online..He tends to check out my profile before a date and that's it ! I used to check to.. but I haven't really been online now either.. There is also the thing that he may not have logged out properly ... It is a head wreck , on the olden days dating was much simpler

itwillgetbettersoon · 29/08/2014 15:06

I've had 4 dates with POF man. I'm still on POF but don't go on as I cannot deal with texting other blokes. However I went on today and using the ultra match found out he had been on in the last 7 days. Does my head in - but but but - I was on there today so really I don't have a leg to stand on!!! I think you just have to go with your gut feelings and / or trust them. He could have been reminding himself how bloody beautiful I am......delusional???

dontcallmehon22 · 29/08/2014 16:13

I found blondegeeky on there after date 4. Date 5 he asked if I minded if he deleted his profile and we agreed to be exclusive. Who knows why he was on there? Sometimes you have to take it at face value and have the exclusivity chat if it worries you.

knittedknickers · 29/08/2014 18:00

I know, that sounds great, dont - all sounding really positive.
I think i'm too serious about it all, will have to develop a thicker skin.

dontcallmehon22 · 29/08/2014 18:40

Well I was also in a panic when I first saw him on there!

Nomchangeroo · 29/08/2014 20:28

Hi everyone! I'm a newcomer to this thread and have had to namechange as I know some other MNers IRL and I don't want anyone to know about my dating life!
That out the way I think I need help! I joined eharmony after a friend recommended it and have been on there for about a week. I'm a pretty busy person (job, DC etc) and am easygoing and not obsessive in the slightest. I've come out of an abusive relationship but am having counselling to get over it and reckon I'm ready to date. Having said that, I've only seen 2 people I'm interested in on there (fussy?) and one of them I am really enjoying getting to know. The problem is, I won't be available for a date for ages, due to everything else and I can't stop checking my mails to see if he's responded. He's replied a couple of times a day, which I'm happy about as I don't really want too much communication as I won't have time after next week but I don't want to be waiting all week.
Help me get my rational head back on please! :)

Pinklaydee1302 · 29/08/2014 20:31

It used to bother me too Knitted but after years of doing this online dating I've come to the conclusion that there's nothing you can do. You cannot control another person, you really just have to trust them or dump them. I just have the thought now 'if you can't beat them - join them' it works for me Grin

I've met someone in real life n had 2 dates n third one is tomorrow. He doesn't text much which is a bit rubbish but am getting good vibes off him and it's nice knowing he not online looking at other women.

knittedknickers · 29/08/2014 21:45

I know - it's just that I can't get my head round the fact that if these men say they like us (not talking about your present one, obviously, but generally about OLD men) and are looking forward to date no. 1/2/3/4, whatever, and yet can spend hours online, chatting to or browsing for other women. Does that mean all those men who say they like you but are then looking online for ages (not just a quick look in that they could just be answering messages) are lying or is it just a normal thing now? Aargh - I just don't understand OLD! Or men!!

Jarlin · 29/08/2014 22:10

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Pinklaydee1302 · 29/08/2014 22:25

Keep distracting yourself Jarlin, let him contact you and if doesn't well it's his loss

Jarlin · 29/08/2014 22:34

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BeforeAndAfter · 29/08/2014 23:28

Jarlin that's so sad to read about you feeling that Slow did not look forward to seeing you - I'm sure that wasn't the case. If he is what I call a low reactor (no hand gestures, little inflection in the voice and not much facial animation) it can be really hard to read someone like that but it doesn't mean they're not feeing it. MrPD is sounding good at the mo. I like that his texting is just right - it seems a hard thing to find.

Jesy I totally agree with Folk.

Folk I can't begin to imagine how difficult it is with your brother and you knowing that you have no family other than him so if you took the no contact route then you would be all alone. I have no experience of this and I'm not qualified but ... I've always got an opinion no matter how dodgy and ill-informed. Could you try some anti-bullying tactics? Maybe do some research, find a self-help book, and see if you can find examples of stopping workplace bullies in their tracks which might work with him? It might be that saying something firmly (and not reacting emotionally to his reaction) would make him think. It could be something that needs repeating but I bet there are strategies out there that might fit his behaviour. As I said, it's an idea and you may have tried that already or think it's crap or irrelevant.

Pinklaydee1302 · 29/08/2014 23:40

Mr pd sounds just the tonic Jarlin Smile

FolkGirl · 30/08/2014 08:50

Before Unfortunately for me, he is very much like my mother and, although he's younger than me, he makes me feel just like she did. And, as with all bullies, he is always the victim.

A few years ago my childminder's son was ill and she didn't want DD to go. I'd just started a new job, I emailed round the family (mum, dad, brother) and asked if anyone could offer any childcare - no expectations, just I was asking there first if anyone could. He replied with a huge rant about how we should have thought about that before having children, "your child, your problem" and how entitled and selfish we were. It was actually quite aggressive with rather sinister undertones and a really disproportionate response. When we challenged him afterwards, he said we'd made him feel guilty because he was unable to help us and it wasn't really fair of us to make people feel that way. That kind of sums it up Hmm

Just like we did with our mother, I think we all try to bend over backwards to appease him and not 'wind him up'. I think I'm beginning to see where my poor boundaries come from

Speaking of which, I still haven't sent the email... I don't know why I'm finding it so hard - well I do - but I can feel that I'm detaching emotionally. He's sent a couple of emails over the last 2 days but only one brief sentence emails. Oh apart from a lengthier one yesterday morning. He told me recently, that he suffers from depression and I think he might be in a bit of a 'down' period at the moment. But I'm not strong enough to support someone with depression. I have enough of my own demons. I just can't do it.

But I do think some of it iwth him is a bit self indulgent - ignoring your girlfriend and making her feel like shit because someone you fell out of love with and finished with over 3 years ago, is dying and you feel desperately sad about it, is bollocks. Either he's just being self indulgent and wallowing; he still loves her; he's seen her more recently than he says; or he doesn't love me. None of those is good. At least, I'm assuming it's still that...

But he's still asking to make arrangements for us to see each other again, which is what I don't understand. I was really surprised when he said last Monday that he wanted to see me again. I think we've exchanged a handful of emails since then. No kisses, no nice words, no "miss you"s or "love you"s. And I'm not checking anymore to see if he's emailed me. I've known since I was there I wanted to end it. I'm just delaying it really.

He doesn't feel like my boyfriend anymore. I'm just not very good at it and, although he isn't here physically or emotionally, I am scared of just feeling very alone. Sad

I'm hoping I'll feel better soon, all my activities/hobbies start up again over the next couple of weeks after the summer hiatus.

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