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UrsulaBuffay · 23/08/2014 15:38

As we were saying...

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BeforeAndAfter · 29/08/2014 05:59

Aliens MrTexter is setting his stall out very clearly, isn't he? It's hard to hear but at least he's not selling you the Mill & Boon line so I give him credit for that. There seems to be a really consistent theme across the board though: the man is textually ardent, you meet, you DTD (be it date 1 or date 5), his text rate tends to drop almost instantly just as the woman tends to want it to increase.

Knitted you refer to yours as a potential slimy player but I think he's been totally straight with you, based on what you've written. There could be all sorts of slime that you see but I just see a bloke who's honest about what he wants for now. I prefer that to the 'let's have a relationship, maybe, maybe not' game any day of the week.

Single well that click on MrTall's profile was unfortunate! Personally I don't think it's fair to be chatting to MrTall-1; you're not being friendly. It strikes me that you're keeping your options open / using him as a distraction from re-engaging with MrTall and then you'll 'cheer yourself up' with a date with MrTall-1 if nothing better shows up. Don't make him your fallback guy.

The most important question for you to be thinking about it is how will you do things differently next time you like someone? I'm not saying you have to create a fake persona but you need to rein in that lovely feeling of being swept away by the romance of it all at such an early stage otherwise you'll keep getting hurt and I would really recommend taking early relationship talk with a pinch of salt.

BeforeAndAfter · 29/08/2014 06:21

Tis have you actually met yet? As I read it MrNoShow stood you up after you went out of your way to meet him. His phone, that was too broken to text you and cancel the date, is suddenly fixed enough so that he can text with a bunch of excuses and then phone you so he can be contrite. You put yourself on the back foot by telling him your angst so now he knows he's almost guaranteed to wrap you around his dick finger. And all this with a bloke you've never met? Please tell me you've met this guy.

In my experience when shit happens and you have to let someone down at the last minute there's only one reason. To my mind the higher the number of excuses they give you the less likely it is that any of them are true. [cynical old hag emoticon]

If you want to tick a young buck off your bucket list wait until you have one where you really want to rip his clothes off! Don't be half-hearted!

You suggest you're being standoffish but I don't see that at all with MrNoShow - I think you've been way too very forgiving.

Hissy · 29/08/2014 07:09

MrNOshow? Tis, he stood you up and then lied. either he bottled it and allowed you to go through that humiliation, or he's married and got stuck.DON'T nother again. if this is the first meeting. swerve it and delete/block etc. NEXT!

coke/pepsi kills a phone. water puts it out of action FOR a week, so unless he bought a new handset... you're beimg lied to. badly.

Single toy are on a dating site to DATE, this creep with his hard on was ALSO online. he's stomped all over your boundaries, behaves like a dog and has the cheek to ask you about your presence online. personally if anyone said something about me being online i'd think "Ftfo!" you shouldn't have given him any explanation tbh, your reply should have been 'I could ask you the same question, but I won't because it's not actually any business of mine ans you and I aren't 'IN' a relationship"

FolkGirl · 29/08/2014 08:47

Hi all.

Going to have a bit of a rant. It's not strictly dating related so I hope it's ok to put it here. I just feel you lot 'know' me well enough to ask on this thread. I don't feel strong enough to ask anywhere else...

You all know my issues with my mother. I think my brother might be the same.

When my husband and I separated, he didn't once ask if I was ok or if there was anything he could do. He didn't listen or let me just talk. Because he was too upset and angry. Angry that his BIL had let him down like that. Worried that his daughter and any future children had lost an uncle. He was very angry and I found myself consoling him a lot of the time because he felt so let down and betrayed by my exH's actions. Before and immediately after my dad died, my exH had been the one trying to get everyone through it. The one who had been suggesting things we could do afterwards to remember my dad and 'treat' ourselves. My brother was in disbelief that the same man who had been so supportive could now the be same person who had abandoned his young niece in such a selfish way. He was the same age as my son when our parents split and he was angry that it reminded him of how he felt at the time. Angry. Angry. Angry. I'd phone him up because I felt lonely or scared or upset and he would be angry; speak over me, interrupt, huffed and got annoyed if I asked him not to interrupt... And I found myself trying to make him feel better about it.

Because of my mother, I've had numerous assessments for various MH things and was on ADs for most of my adult life. They always said there was nothing wrong and I always felt I'd misrepresented myself. The last thing was a referral for an ASD assessment because it was felt I might have Aspergers. But I didn't go for the assessment in the end. This is a result of my mother telling me there was "something wrong" with me. My brother agrees that the only thing 'wrong' with me was created by my mother and nothing else, but he still uses these things against me if we disagree on something. He will quite often throw out, "I think there might be something in that ASD thing after all" as a way of shutting me down if he doesn't like what I'm saying.

Yesterday we chatted on the phone. Or rather, he talked about himself on the phone for a couple of hours and every conversation I started, he turned round on to him. He never asks how I am. I sometimes get the feeling that he only asks how the children are so that he can offer some improvement or pass a comment on the status quo. I told him I was going to end things with my boyfreind. He didn't ask, but I started to justify it by saying that he was lovely, but it just wasn't something that I felt I could cope with at the moment (didn't want to give him ammo by saying how I really felt) and his only response was a pompous, "well this is why I didn't want you to bring him to my daughter's birthday party" blah blah. I tried to tell him that it had only been because I hadn't wanted to spend the afternoon on my own (which is what happened) and his response was, "FG, you need to understand, it's not always all about you". I started crying and said I wasn't in the mood for it and just put the phone down. How I felt wasn't important at all. It was only about him and how he felt. He feels very angry that he doesn't have any more family. Family is very important to him and he has very high expectations of me and my role in the family. But all roads lead back to him. As they did with my mother. He wants a good relationship with me, but I let him down because I'm not as good a sister as he wants me to me.

Not for the first time, I'm left thinking I don't want to see him ever again. He's loud and boorish and opinionated and self centred a bit of a bully. I've also heard him being a bit of a bully to his wife, but she just takes it. But he's my only family. He's not much of one, but he is there. If I had nothing to do with him again, it would be just me and my children. No one else. I have no other family. No one.

jesy · 29/08/2014 08:54

Hope it's ok to keep posting ext,I think of you as mates.

My ex texted last night , we split two years ago but did sleep together recently which till last night I didn't really regret .

He said saw your lover boy in pub on Sat chatting to a tiny blonde girl is that who he dumped you for lol

I thought you cruel sh@t he knew I was upset last weekend ,but funny thing was it wasn't that girl I know who the girl he was chatting to its his mates daughter who is so sweet .

I did get hopes up this am and then dashed over Mr IT but I'll survive x
I really can't be bothered dating at mo to much hassle plus I fell big time for Mr IT .

FolkGirl · 29/08/2014 09:01

jesy it's fine to still post. It sounds like that is a wise decision. You've been far too accommodating of men who aren't good enough for you. Stay strong.

Just to clarify, I don't think I let my brother down by not being a good enough sister. That's how he feels.

louby44 · 29/08/2014 09:02

Tis I wouldn't give anyone the time of day if they stood me up! It just doesn't sound right!

Blossom sorry your date was rubbish!

I like 'a texter' it allows you to keep up some sort of a conversation in between dates! And as a single mum I haven't always got time to sit and have a 20 minute conversation. Texting is just a quick way of keeping in touch.

Still in daily communication with Mr Morrison he's got issues with his job and is struggling to cope (long story) but he's continuing his weight loss/fitness campaign.

I sneakily went back on POF and got chatting to a local guy. He seems really nice and was talking about how his life is so different now he's divorced, how exciting it is and he then hinted about how exciting it could be to 'meet up with a tall teacher' - me!! I asked him if he was asking me out or working up to it and he replied I'm working up to it???? And I'm like ffs just ask me!!

I did say 'well join the queue, I'm in demand'

Now I'm thinking he's got someone else he's interested in and don't know how to play it! I'm not grovelling or chasing.

And now I remember why I took myself off!

FolkGirl · 29/08/2014 09:13

single If you're not that into MrTall-1, then it might be kindest to end the dialogue. It's not a very nice feeling to be the person on that end of the interaction. It'll give him chance to meet someone who is interested in him, and means you'll get to say goodbye to the uncomfortable feelings that you're experiencing.

Tis I'd be tempted too by the apologies and the renewed effort, but I'd also wonder what had really happened and I would have just not replied at all. Be very wary...

louby you're incorrigible! I'm with you though, I wouldn't do it again though - the worrying and uncertainty isn't worth it! Pleased to hear you and MrMorrison are still talking... Smile

jesy · 29/08/2014 09:19

Folk

I'm still friends with Mr IT ,but the other guy can go to he'll I loved him he erm was my first miss ect but what be said hurt.

Mr IT is still in contact but I know it's not even Fwb now but friendship is good too.

SingleSock · 29/08/2014 10:41

Well following my last post MrTall sent another couple of messages where he basically said he was disappointed that I went on a date (looking for something better is how he termed it) and also that I didn't try and change his mind. I attempted to lay my cards on the table by saying that I liked him, I made an error of judgement, I'm sorry but also that there was nothing I could do except accept his decision. He then logged off without replying.

My head is a mess and not just over this situation. I know what he's doing is unfair but equally I really like him and want nothing more than for him to say we can talk about it.

The situation with MrTall-1, again I'm just really confused. I did like him on the date but there's been quite a few things that have concerned me/put me off. I've kind of felt like I should give him a chance and see how I feel but I'm not sure if that is related to my feelings of rejection by MrTall.

I think part of the problem is that I'm uncomfortable rejecting people and also in actively selecting a potential partner. All my relationships have been with men who have actively pursued me and I've decided I would make it work no matter what their flaws. I think I have major boundary issues and also absolutely no idea what characteristics I value in people. I just accept people as they come and if there is any level of attraction there, then I consider them as potential despite any red flags. Clearly this method has not worked well to date but is also damaging as I end up in relationships with abusive men.

I absolutely know that I shouldn't be dating right now but I can't seem to leave it alone. I'm not in a particularly good place at the moment but no idea how to go about changing things. I suppose the first step is just to tell both MrTall and MrTall-1 that I'm not ready to date and then delete all dating profiles and concentrate on other things for a while. The big but in there though is simply that I don't want to. I realise this makes me sound like a horrible person. I'm not usually this selfish but I think I've hit a stage in the separation from my H where I think, sod it - this is my time for fun and I just done care anymore. I do recognise this is a damaging way to think/behave. I feel like I'm on self destruct.

Sorry for the rambling stream of consciousness, just not sure where to put it all.

Vintagecrap · 29/08/2014 10:48

Single, you are right, you should not be dating right now. But dont blame yourself, you thought you are, realised you arent and know why. Thats a big deal and is all part of the process of moving on/ etc etc

I know OD can give you a bit of a buzz when you first start doing it, its a bit of affimiration that people still find you attractive, that you have still got it. For most people this doesnt last long and they find its a bit of a headfuck/ big waste of energy/ full of rejection and you can end up feeling worse about yourself.

I would suggest messaging them both saying you have realised you are not in a place for dating right now, but wish them well.

Then find something else to get a buzz about, get out there, find some things that you like. I know its hard as a lone parent, i am one too, but you can still step outside of your comfort zone. Also, have some down time with you and your children, comfort food, lots of chilling out, not trying to be anything to anyone, just pleasing yourselves. Gradually you will find you sort of become relaxed about yourself and start to learn whats important to you now, so, when you do feel ready to date again, you know what qualities you are looking for, and thus your relationship is much more likely to be fullfilling and happy.

Vintagecrap · 29/08/2014 11:00

I hope that doesnt sound preachy.

I think its all part of the process to think ' fuck my ex, i can do better' and launch into a whirlwind of behavior that isnt quite you, as you try to recover your self worth and get back at them. Loads of people do it, dating sites are full of people doing it. I did it, ive seen friends do it.

But, its maybe not the best way to go about it.

SingleSock · 29/08/2014 11:02

Thank you Vintage Flowers. That process is exactly what has happened to me I think. I was initially adamant that I would be single for at least 5 years and I had no intention of letting another man into my life for a long long time. I was so happy to be out of my abusive marriage that even the small things like not having to wash up straight after I'd cooked dinner, or having the freedom to choose what I did in the evenings was the massive buzz.

And then I realised I missed sex. So I thought I would get a FB. The one I found was a nice enough guy but he would text me constantly and I began to enjoy his attention. So that made me think I was ready to date. It has been a huge buzz but you are so right, it takes up so much headspace and is too easy a distraction from my boring life. I think I can actually handle the rejection better than I can handle rejecting others. All related to my people pleasing tendencies.

I'm actually quite shocked at myself for some of the things I've done. They are so so out of character. Even my friends have said they are worried about me. But I don't care in a way. I just wanted to be selfish for a change, be young and care free except that I'm not as I have responsibilities.

I need to stop this now.

SingleSock · 29/08/2014 11:04

X-posts there. Not preachy at all, I think it's quite scary how accurate you've been. I'm quite relieved to know I'm not the only one who has done this and it's all part of the process. What do I do now?

Blossomflowers · 29/08/2014 11:41

Morning all, yes date was not for me. ho hum.

So tell me what you think about this, about a month ago I went on a date and was lovely I actually really fancied him, at the time he had just joined OLD and was seeing a woman more local to him, he was very honest and open said he was torn but decided to give it a go with her and did not want to date 2 people at the same time, fair enough. So out of the blue last night he texted me, apparently it has not worked. Should I give him chance, is so rare for me to meet someone on my mental level and fancy, but don't want to feel second best grrr your views please

FolkGirl · 29/08/2014 11:57

Blossom That's an interesting one. What sort of tone did his message have? I understand what you mean about not wanting to be second best, but he was honest and you know that once he has made a tentative commitment to something he sticks to it.

Unless he thinks you'd just be up for a shag.

So, if I were to believe his version, I would give him A chance. But if I felt he was just trying to see if I'd bite, then I wouldn't. But how can you tell?

Then again, I'm realising my boundaries are all over the place!

dippinmytoe · 29/08/2014 12:04

single I would take time out... It is mentally exhausting trying to date when you are not ready for it. .. recover , enjoy being you and get into a good place... I tried dating when I wasn't ready, disaster territory, now I feel refreshed and ready. I have met a nice guy we have had 2 dates and another one planned for Sunday night. Taking it very slowly. A few guys have my no and have been texting me but I really can't be bothered with them. whether me and this guy work or not I won't be getting back to the others. I realise that they are a waste of time and basically looking for one thing.
blossom I don't know whether I would give the guy another chance , it depends on how much you liked him etc.

Blossomflowers · 29/08/2014 12:06

Thanks folk he really makes me laugh and is nice looking I found him very attractive,( this so hard to find and was bit gutted when he chose the other woman) but as you say if he is be truthful then I respect that. I am hoping we will be going for dinner on Saturday but he has to check whether he has his kids over or waiting to see if something better comes along Oh I am so rubbish at this, why can't things be simple

Blossomflowers · 29/08/2014 12:11

dippwell I only met him once for dinner and def an attraction on both sides and lots of texting so not much to go on, kind ended before it started.

FolkGirl · 29/08/2014 12:27

Blossom I would keep him very much at arm's length emotionally. This is the difficulty with OD, though, isn't it? Sad

He could really like you, or he could be being an arse. He could be waiting to hear about his children this weekend, or he could be keeping his options open.

I don't know why things can't be simple. It is really horrible though. I don't think I'll ever trust any man ever again, to be honest!!

Blossomflowers · 29/08/2014 12:48

folkgirl exactly you hit the nail on the head. I do try to stay unemotional for all the reasons above. MyLotus as I shall now call him will be most def kept at arms length. I have had quite a few dates over the months, I tend to meet a lot as can not tell from photos ans texting better to see face and reject. Lots of games going on sure half are married and boosting their egos.

jesy · 29/08/2014 13:01

When do you stop missing them , I am trying to be positive but I guess I'm not really his type.
I am still friends but I can't help reading stuff into his posts and stuff

FolkGirl · 29/08/2014 13:25

That you can't help reading stuff into his posts is exactly why you should be giving yourself a break from all these men, jesy

You are making it so hard for yourself :-(

jesy · 29/08/2014 13:31

It's pretty much only contact I have with peeps even out with dog ppl avoid me

dippinmytoe · 29/08/2014 13:33

blossom you could go and meet him and see... just try and not get too involved... you might not be as attracted to him now !

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