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Can't work out how I feel about my bizarre relationship (long, sorry)

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snowiswhite · 19/08/2014 14:00

Have changed my name for this post. I don't really know where to start with this, and I fear it could turn out to be far too long, so will try to keep it as concise as possible (which isn't very). Apologies in advance if I leave out too many details.

Me and DP have been together since 2005. We have DD and DS, aged 4 and nearly 3. I fell head over heels for DP very shortly after meeting him: it really seemed we were soul mates, and I was sincerely convinced for many years that it was very, very rare for a couple to love each other as much as we loved each other.

Shortly after meeting DP, I received an email from someone I didn't know, warning me that DP was a liar and that I should check everything. It was a strange email in that there was info in there that could only have come from someone who had been spying on our instant messenger conversations and emails. To cut a long story short, it turned out to be from DP's ex-girlfriend, who somehow had gained access to his emails etc. She had used a fake name to send me the email. All in all, she hadn't given me any reason to believe she was a reliable source of information, and I dismissed her (after an angsty conversation with DP).

Over the next 6.5 years, I could never shake the sense that DP was lying to me - about everything. This seemed so implausible to me at the time - after all, who (outside of a soap opera) would lie about everything? - that I dismissed it, and attributed this feeling to the fact that DP's ex had written me that strange email near the start of our relationship. We went on to live together, to get engaged, and to have DD and DS.

To cut a very long story short(ish), it turned out that he was indeed lying to me about literally everything. The most shocking lie was pretending to be terminally ill for several years starting from around the time DD was conceived in early 2009 - even going as far to get a scar tattooed on. Aside from that, he would lie about our finances (I no longer had a bank account (because he saw to it, I later realised) and he pretended he was wealthy when in fact we were on benefits), his intentions to marry me (he 'made' literally hundreds of appointments for us to have a no-frills reg office wedding, all of which were cancelled due to unforeseen aspects of his 'treatment' - it later emerged that he was still married to his ex wife), and he borrowed £1000s from my family despite having no way of repaying them.

Throughout all this, I suspected him constantly, but dismissed my suspicions for various reasons. Partly it was because the lies simply didn't make sense: I was working on the assumption that if someone lies to you, it's because they stand to gain something by doing so, and as far as I could see, he stood to gain nothing (quite the reverse in many cases). Partly it was because, as mentioned above, I was afraid that I was being unduly influenced by his ex's email. And partly because, when you think the love of your life is dying, you are afraid that your mind is playing tricks on you: of course you would prefer to believe that they have made up their illness, because that would be preferable to them dying, so that is a reason to dismiss your suspicion that they aren't really ill.

So, fast forward to mid-2012. DD is 2.5 and DS is nearly a year old. For nearly 2 years, we have been living rent-free (or, rather, on DP's constant promise of paying rent) in a totally unsuitable and frankly dangerous-for-kids annex of the home of some lovely relatives of mine. I had not gone back to work after DD was born, and spent my days at home, in the middle of nowhere, with no car, no bank account, 2 small kids to look after, while DP goes out every single day for hospital treatment. All I would do with my life, every day, is feed the kids and take them out for walks. Almost every day I am expecting that we are going to have our no-frills wedding, and every time I hope that this time it will go ahead, but DP calls with some reason why it has had to be cancelled. And almost every day I am expecting that today, finally, after a zillion hiccups, our joint bank account will finally be sorted out and we can get access to DP's massive savings and repay my relatives the money we owe them - but this never happens (N.B. I am not mercenary, I didn't care about living the high life, I just wanted a normal life and not to be in debt to my relatives). Writing all this is making my chest constrict, and maybe you can imagine the enormous stress I was under. It was really difficult to cope with all this, but 'knowing' that DP had a far more difficult battle to fight (i.e. his illness) made me feel guilty for worrying about my own troubles.

Anyway, in mid-2012, DP's excuses and stories started to build up to the extent that they become really quite implausible, and DP himself was starting to behave more erratically, presumably with the stress of keeping all the lies going. Even so, it was only after a long conversation with one of my relatives that I started to confront the possibility that DP was lying about his illness. (An aside: by this point, everyone else in my family had worked out he was lying, but they never said anything about it to me. Either they felt awkward about it or they thought I had access to more information to support my belief in him. But the fact that they all seemed to believe him itself made me think he must be telling the truth, and made me feel guilty for doubting him.) I spoke to DP on the phone - he'd gone to the hospital (or rather pretended to) as usual - and I gently asked him if he was really ill, and that maybe the problem was psychological rather than physical. Immediately he admitted it, if 'admitted' is the right term (given that, as I'll explain, he had trouble distinguishing lies from reality) - he said something like, 'yes, maybe you're right'.

From here, it's quite difficult to explain. It has turned out not to be a case of him consciously and maliciously deciding to lie. He genuinely seemed to have come to believe his own lies. I went to the GP with him and he was referred for a mental health assessment, and diagnosed with dissociative disorder, depression, and anxiety. He had large gaps in his memory and seemed not very capable of distinguishing reality from the fantasy he had invented. Over the months and years since (yes, we are still together), it has turned out that some very awful things have happened to him, and that he has been lying about things since childhood as a way to make himself feel better about himself and more important than he believes he is (he basically believes he is worthless). I think that he has been lying so long that lying comes as naturally to him as telling the truth does to the rest of us, and so it is very difficult for him to stop: much of the time, the decision to lie isn't a conscious choice.

He genuinely struggles wiith this and tries his best to get better. He has taken all the help he has been offered in terms of counselling - which isn't very much, and in my non-professional opinion he hasn't been offered the right sort of thing (basically he sees a counsellor and talks about his past, whereas I think he should be having something like CBT that would focus on getting him to stop lying, which is the root of all our problems). When I realised that we were penniless and on benefits, I saw that I would need to go back to work. I am very highly qualified but work in an extremely competitive industry where jobs are hard to come by. We lived in a shitty council flat, on benefits, for a year while I worked every spare waking minute at trying to get back to work, and eventually I did get a job. Last autumn we moved out of the shitty council estate and into a privately rented house in a nicer area.

My family, understandably, want little to do with DP after all this came out. However, whereas people tended to assume that he'd just leave after he'd been rumbled, he has not. While I've been working, he has tirelessly been a full-time dad. He is a wonderful father: far more patient than me, he adores our children and fills their days with fun things: they have planted flowers in the garden together, learned to ride bikes, etc, and he is involved with their pre-school as a committee member. At the same time he keeps our home in order, does all our grocery shopping, cleans and does the washing, etc. His only 'me time' without the kids are a night in the pub once a week with some friends who know nothing about his strange history (he doesn't get drunk, and doesn't drink much in general), and playing sport once a week during the summer. I am not trying to paint a romantic picture of him here - what I am trying to do is make the point that, whilst the lying etc might make it easy to view him as a villain, he has done his utmost to do the right thing since the problem has been identified.

The problem, though, is that he does still lie sometimes. I can't trust him not to. Sometimes he will admit it out of the blue, without me having pressured him to tell the truth, and he will be full of remorse. But sometimes when he lies, I know he is lying, but he won't admit it - and maybe can't admit it. He is not getting the right sort of mental health help to stop this, and we can't afford private treatment at the moment. And I'm left feeling that I'm dealing with it alone ... I don't really discuss it with people, and about a year ago he admitted it to his mum (which was a big deal because his mum has been through hell for various reasons recently, so he'd put off telling her). I was so pleased when he told his mum because I thought I'd have someone to talk to about it, but it hasn't worked out like that. His mum said she just needed time to digest it, then she and I would have a proper talk. But it's never happened. In the year since she found out, she's visited various family members who needed her help with various things, but she still hasn't tried to get to grips with what DP has been doing. And whilst I konw it must be upsetting for her, it also makes me see that maybe this is why DP is the way he is - he certainly doesn't seem high up her list of priorities. I feel like I've just been left holding the baby, so to speak: I'm dealing with it alone.

I never tell anyone about this. When the lies came to light, I had various friends who believed that DP was seriously ill, so I did tell them the truth in order to put them right. I rarely see them and they don't ask me about DP, perhaps understandably (what would they say?!). Everyone else - e.g. people I work with - just thinks we are a normal couple. I feel a bit like I lead a double life.

And now, I don't know whether I want this any more. I'm so tired of it all. I will always love DP, and I think he is a wonderful father, but the head-over-heels aspect of my feelings for him have gone, and I don't know if they'll come back. It's like the person I loved never existed, and whilst in the early days I was desperate to get that person back, I've sort of given up now. I know he still lies, and I really don't want it to be my problem any more - I don't want to live like this, with the stress of not being able to trust him. But, at the same time, I sort of can't imagine life without him. The children adore him. I care deeply for him and want to help him get better - I think he deserves to get better, he certainly struggles so hard with everything. I don't know what I want.

Complicating my feelings is the thought that, even if I did want out, I don't know how to get out. We live in a very expensive part of the country, and if we broke up we would have to pay for 2 households on my salary. I'm nearly 40, and hoping to buy a house in a year, otherwise I'll be too old to get a mortgage. DP could work, but we'd have to pay for childcare in that case, so wouldn't necessarily be better off. DP has occasionally said that we're not a normal couple and that if I want he will move out and find somewhere alone (presumably a crappy council bedsit), but still come over every day and look after the children. This itself breaks my heart ... his self-esteem is so low that it wouldn't even enter his head to fight for the children to live with him. He believes he deserves so little.

I have sort of lost track of what I was even wanting to ask with this post. I guess I just want to tell someone my story so that maybe, in the discussion that follows (if anyone has read this far!) I might get some clarity to my feelings.

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springydaffs · 20/08/2014 23:59

I expect op will know when she's had enough.

I can't help thinking that, as crap as NHS MH provision is at present, a referral to eg a psychiatrist, or similar, would have taken place as a matter of course in the wake of his (supposed) DX. I really can't see that he could have received this dx from someone in a gateway post.

Oh op this is monstrously difficult. I'm sorry that isn't much help to say. Perhaps also post in the MH board to get a more unformed perspective there? Experts in ths thread excepted.

It seems this thread is helping you to clarify your thoughts, which is no small thing.

springydaffs · 21/08/2014 00:03

*informed! (gah)

DioneTheDiabolist · 21/08/2014 01:06

Snow, please leave.

If your DH ever gets honest with himself, he will be a different man from the one you love. There is no saving this relationship. Get legal advise, devote your energy to yourself and your DCs.

He may not be a lost cause, but your relationship is.Sad

DioneTheDiabolist · 21/08/2014 01:06

Snow, please leave.

If your DH ever gets honest with himself, he will be a different man from the one you love. There is no saving this relationship. Get legal advise, devote your energy to yourself and your DCs.

He may not be a lost cause, but your relationship is.Sad

Jux · 21/08/2014 02:11

OP, I do agree with people who have suggested you get some support for yourself. You say your family want nothing to do with him, but how estranged are they from you?

Could you send the children to stay with relatives for a few weeks while it's the holidays, to give you some space to consider your position? If you act quickly, you may be able to get an appointment for dp with a private psychiatrist while the children are away.

temporaryusername · 21/08/2014 02:28

OP, I'm totally out of my depth here and not sure whether to comment. I just wanted to say that while I can totally understand your desire for financial security and buying a home, I have a terrible fear that delaying a change in your situation could lead to a disaster. No question at all that your children are being damaged by being cared for by your DH, far more than by home/school moves. It doesn't bear thinking about that you could end up with your deposit, but not your children, or with your children damaged for life. I am catastrophising, but even the remotest risk can't be taken here.

Multiple situations could arise in the future that require honesty and reliability from him - what if you became ill, or one of the children? Even now, you need the person who looks after the children all day to be someone you can trust to convey how they are and what is going on in that time.

I think you must proceed very carefully as rocking the boat may cause him to resort to extreme behaviour. I don't think, as you go through seeing a psychiatrist and indicating your wish for change, he can be left alone with the children. I don't know how this can be managed but please seek specialist advice on it, and do not risk letting him feel he is being abandoned or challenged while he is still alone with the children.

Cerisier · 21/08/2014 02:49

I asked him once if they were his children and he denied it, but admitted it after the other lies came to light

Stone the crows Snow, what a mess. Sad though the situation is, I agree with the previous posters who are saying that unless there is trust at the core, you have no relationship worth saving.

Reading your story, one thing is puzzling me. How come DP's DM (who knew about the ex-wife and the children) didn't mention DP's children (ie her grandchildren?) when you met her?

KoalaDownUnder · 21/08/2014 03:39

Basically, i think he has always been this way and his wife likely ran away to protect the children.

I was thinking the same thing.

OP, I'm so sorry - I don't even know where to start with this. It must be awful for you. But one thing I will say, is that I think he is still lying to you a LOT. I think there is a lot more about his past that you still don't know.

Proceed with extreme caution.

Brabra · 21/08/2014 05:49

I really don't understand how this ent on for so long. how did you not know about your own financial situation? It is quite a leap from 'thinking you were wealthy' to actually 'being on benefits'. And were you never at any hospital appointments at all? or see letters from clinics etc?
Do you really want this for you and your children for the rest of your life?

snowiswhite · 21/08/2014 08:22

Yobitch has it. This thread has been really helpful with formulating an action plan. It has also started to be unhelpful in some ways, in that I feel that I can't Express a dissenting opinion without being accused of being deluded (I'm really not trying to be grumpy here - that none of you know me or DP makes it very understandable why you'd think that, I just mean that it has left me too focused on defending/explaining myself rather than looking forward). Whoever explained upthread what the BPD criterion about not having a firm identity - thanks, that's also DP to a T. He hasn't had the sort of extreme dissociation that someone described above, so that makes me even more distrustful of the initial diagnosis. Will photocopy the entry on BPD from DSM-5 and take it to a gp appointment in order to get a bit hardball if they refuse to refer DP. Thanks everyone. Might not comment here for a while now but will come back when I have an update.

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Twinklestein · 21/08/2014 10:10

I'm not sure about taking info on BPD: if you get an intelligent GP they will be fine with that, but some doctors can be very skeptical of people diagnosing from the net and could get shirty.

I would use that as a last resort. Personally I would just be very firm that as far as you know he has not been diagnosed by a psychiatrist, and that his diagnosis needs to be confirmed by one. If the GP is difficult, stick to your guns, because they will know perfectly well it should be done. Tell them also a) that he's full time carer to the children therefore it's vital he is fully assessed for risk and b) that you don't know if he's been lying about going to his counselling appointments, or if indeed he even has been given any.

If it turns out the diagnosis was from a psychiatrist, then just ask for a second opinion, you have a right to that too.

mamadoc · 21/08/2014 11:09

Some other things that occur to me:

In our area the 'complex needs' service is a euphemism for the personality disorder service so perhaps he does in fact already have this diagnosis.

The long term (6-8 sessions is short, 18-36 long) psychotherapy he has been getting would be the treatment of choice for PD eg CAT or DBT (not CBT) and you would not usually get long term therapy without a diagnosis.

If he is getting a secondary care mental health service He should have a care co-ordinator and a care plan which he will have a copy of and should be able to show you. You would also be entitled to a carers assessment. Some people with PD may be entitled to DLA. Could this be the extra income?

I wonder if there is more correspondence you haven't seen? When the group therapy ended there should have been a discharge letter and similarly when he moved areas the therapist would do a discharge letter which the patient would usually get.

I begin to wonder if he knows his diagnosis and knows a lot more than he is telling you. He has actually had quite a lot of therapy in secondary care and it would be very surprising if there was no care plan or solid diagnosis.

Before you go to the GP ask him to show you his care plan. He is entitled to have this and will have a copy unless he refused it. Even if he refused the GP has it.

The other thing I wanted to say is that if you are not there at the appt he may well not have disclosed everything to the mental health workers and they may be unaware how serious his problems have been. I am not psychic and my diagnosis is only as good as the info I am given. I can often tell if someone is lying but I can't know what they are lying about. Good information from someone close to the person is essential especially for a PD diagnosis but if the person refuses permission to talk to family I can't make them.

Uk psychiatrists use ICD more than DSM which is American but criteria are similar. I shouldn't get hung up on the exact number of points fulfilled. he has a long term pattern of maladaptive behaviour and problems with relationships and that is the essence of PD. Chronic feelings of emptiness are often confused with depression. Aggression is not part of the criteria and not often associated with BPD although harm to self is common.

It is quite a common condition and you will certainly not be alone. There are some folks who post on the mental health board who have this condition and others who have relatives with it so if this is the problem then it may help you to know what you are dealing with and talk to people with lived experience.

I suggest you ask him to show you any letters he has before going to the GP or ask for a joint appointment with his therapist.

CinnabarRed · 21/08/2014 11:26

I'm no expert, but as a lay person Mamadoc's advice seems excellent.

I wish you and your DD all the very best.

May I make two suggestions?

First, give some thought to what your next move will be if he refuses your absolutely reasonable request to read his care plan/attend a joint therapy session/reassess his diagnosis/meet with the GP. (Or, more likely, he agrees and then something crops up that stops your request being met.) Decide now how many chances you will give him to deliver on your request, and what failure to meet your request will mean.

Secondly, when you get a spare moment to yourself, have another think about whether counselling for yourself might not be a bad idea. I do appreciate that you have previously concluded that it's not for you, but there's no harm in reassessing any decision periodically, taking into account changing facts and circumstances. I, like others, think you would benefit enormously from talking to an objective person outside your immediate family. I don't for one second think you're minimising his behaviour, but I do think you're normalising it.

FunkyBoldRibena · 21/08/2014 12:31

I don't think [and I certainly don't] think you are deluded, but just haven't come to terms with the situation that what you may see as 'fine' is actually 'risky'.

blearyeyes101 · 21/08/2014 13:49

Just wanted to echo some of the comments of others who have posted. Primary care level counselling is in my opinion not appropriate in this case. Equally, Gateway workers are not qualified to diagnose dissociative disorders. Your other half may well need to sit on a waiting list for therapy on the NHS with a psychologist, but I would suggest that it would be a worthwhile wait as they are trained to help someone to develop an understanding of their difficulties and to identify new ways of coping. CBT has a good evidence base for disorders such as depression, but your man may see a better outcome with something like Cognitive Analytic Therapy (CAT), which is a structured approach aimed at mapping out unhelpful patterns of behaviour and identifying "exits" which break the cycle. I also agree with others that it is vital that you consider support for yourself. This is an incredibly stressful situation to be dealing with by yourself. It sounds like you feel responsible for looking after the whole family, rather than having a partner alongside you.

Abilly72 · 21/08/2014 17:49

Does anyone believe anything this man says or does?Why are you even thinking of continuing the exposure of your children to someone who is obviously a skilled long time liar ...another Walter Mitty character who loves deceiving anyone and everyone.I have no sympathy for him at all and only wonderment that you still seem to have some sort of feelings and responsibility for him.He is a sham...start working on your own new life now.

BlueBrightBlue · 22/08/2014 00:03

Agree with previous poster. This relationship has only been sustainable because of the love and generosity of your relatives because they care so much about you and your children.
What a ridiculous tangled web of lies he has spun. I'm afraid there is only one way forward and that is to move on without him.
I was once in a relationship with a pathological liar. He had two children from previous relationships whom he never saw. He made out it was their mothers who prevented him contacting them; of course this was all bullshit. Oh and mine never divorced either, despite proposing on many occasions. He even wrote an email to himself from his estranged wife, saying how sorry she was that he wanted to finalise their separation.

BlueBrightBlue · 22/08/2014 00:13

Forgot to add my ex also feigned cancer and showed me a scar on his neck( more like a skin crease if you ask me) and was later diagnosed with BDP, which I always suspected he had.

bibliomania · 22/08/2014 10:20

I just wanted to add something about you prioritising the mortgage.

I'm also a renter, aged 40, with a child, and I too yearn over Rightmove and fret about getting a mortgage. I understand where you're coming from. I know it's horrible to see your deposit money being spent in other ways (mine all went on legal fees for a dispute over whether dd would live with me or with ex).

But all that aside, you really have to focus on getting out of the relationship first. That has to be the priority. If your deposit money goes on alternative childcare for a while, so be it.

If you buy a house while you're still together and he's acting as primary carer, do you want a situation where he ends up in the house with the dcs and you have to move out? Where he ends up owning most of the house?

Also, do you think you're focusing on the house as being the thing that seems easier to solve? When you've been in uncertainty and upheaval for so long, the temptation is to cling to the things that you feel you can control. But don't cling to the wrong things.

Sort this out first, for your dc's sake, and worry about getting a mortgage later.

snowiswhite · 22/08/2014 10:51

I'm continuing to read this thread, even if I'm commenting less now that I have got my thoughts into some sort of order. I'm very grateful to everyone who continues to offer constructive info and advice, especially mamadoc's invaluable information.

I've been in touch with my psychiatrist friend and explained briefly what I'd like to talk to him about. Hopefully we'll be able to arrange to meet up this week.

I had a long talk with DP last night. He has made (or said he has made) a GP appointment for us to attend together a week on Tuesday, so we'll see what happens then. If for any reason that appointment gets cancelled, I will explain to him that there is no way forward for us if he will not cooperate with me in trying to get him the right help. But, we'll see what happens.

I know I must not jump to a conclusion about what is wrong with him, but having studied the BPD description from DSM-5 (and also shown it to DP and said I will not be surprise if this is what he has), that description has helped me structure my thoughts about DP and provided some insight (which might be misguided if it turns out to be the wrong diagnosis!). We had a calm, sensible talk about our problems last night, which can often be difficult because he is quite defensive and construes everything as an attack on him - usually this means we end up arguing but I was able to keep in mind that he is perhaps not deliberately misconstruing what I say and instead there is an underlying problem with him that causes him to view what I say as an attack. Avoiding these arguments, it is perfectly easy to have a sensible conversation with him (even if he does have some bizarre thought patterns). One thing that he said was that the only time in his life when he has managed to function normally was when he was not in a relationship with anyone, even friends - i.e. a period during which he was professionally successful and didn't really see friends because he was very focused on work. A few years ago this comment of his would have broken my heart, but now I wonder whether this sort of remark, along with his earlier offers to move out but continue to come every day and look after the children (as I mentioned in my OP) are his ways of indicating that it would sort of be a relief for him to be on his own.

It is very sad. I know there is not a future in our relationship, but hopefully we can get him the right help and function on some level.

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bibliomania · 22/08/2014 14:21

It sounds good. Just remember his wellbeing can't be your priority - you need to focus on sorting out a sustainable situation for your dcs, which probably does mean identifying alternative childcare.

snowiswhite · 13/09/2014 21:38

Thought I'd come back with an update, for anyone who is interested ... but mainly really to record my own thoughts.

Couldn't meet my psychiatrist friend to discuss DP in the end, but we discussed DP via email. It turned out to be a blessing that we couldn't meet as I would have ended up bawling. He gave me some good advice and (like some people have said here) said that dissociative disorder is a pretty rare diagnosis. From my discussion with him I realised that DP was taken to have dissociative states simply because he came to believe his lies, denied lying, and/or had memory loss. Anyway, I didn't ask my psychiatrist friend to comment on DP, but I think he did drop me a hint that he thought it sounded like a personality disorder. Psychiatrist friend has been really lovely since this conversation, sending me messages asking how things are etc.

The day after speaking to my friend, DP had a GP appointment, which I went along to. I had been worrying that maybe DP hadn't really made the appointment and/or something would come up at the last minute that meant we couldn't go (his trademark style!), but there was none of that. The GP was sympathetic and has referred him for a psychiatric assessment, which is great - I'd sort of convinced myself that the GP would be dismissive for some reason. Anyway, one thing that did become clear to me is that it's really important that I go to the psychiatric assessment with DP, otherwise whoever sees him won't get anything like the full picture ... I realised this when the GP asked both me and DP what the problem was, and we gave totally different answers. I mentioned the lying and all the other stuff I've described on this thread, whereas DP gave quite a rambling answer that focused on him feeling anxious and fed up (which he is, but obviously that's the tip of the iceberg). I guess that explains why he's been offered antidepressants in the past but not much else.

Another thing that emerged at the GP appointment is that there has not been any diagnosis since the dissociative disorder diagnosis - I (and some others on this thread) had wondered whether there had been a diagnosis I didn't know about. Having said that, the GP surgery still hasn't received his notes from his last GP that he left over 6 months ago, which isn't very helpful - they seem to have gone missing (I have this from the GP's mouth, not merely DP's).

One thing that did make me feel slightly more positive was that, when the GP asked DP if he wanted to be referred, he immediately answered yes. This really highlighted to me that he doesn't want to be this way and that he does want help. It almost made me think that I caught a glimpse of the DP I fell in love with ... although I do realise that the future is pretty bleak whichever way you look at it. Since my last comments on this thread I have been gradually accepting that we are really very unlikely to be together long term.

The other day, I told another psychiatrist friend about DP (I know it must seem odd that I have several psychiatrist friends but have never discussed DP before! I've only known them for a relatively short time, and I'm not really one to discuss my personal business, although it has struck me in the past that I could really do with their advice). I wans't planning to, but he sent me a short email and, for some reason, specifically asked me how DP is. Usually I would give a standard answer that made us seem like a normal family, but perhaps having already discussed DP with one person, I had the courage to give an honest answer. This friend, too, was very kind and sympathetic.

Anyway ... that's it, no groundbreaking news. Will come back with an update when DP gets an appointment for a proper assessment. Thanks for reading.

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Viviennemary · 13/09/2014 21:48

This must be a huge and utter strain on you. If it was me I certainly couldn't cope with this even though I would have sympathy for his genuine mental disorder.

I've now seen your update. Hope things work out. And I agree that building a stable and happy life for your DC's and yourself should be your priority now. And if that's not possible if you stay with your partner then leaving must be an option.

aermingers · 13/09/2014 22:04

OP, have you thought about contacting a charity such as MIND or Rethink? I'm fairly certain there are quite a few charities out there that support friends and relatives of people suffering from mental illness.

I think you would get much more appropriate advice from them than posting on here. I'm dubious of people who think they can confidently declare someone is not fit to look after a child after reading one post on a forum. I'm not sure that's the best advice to take to be honest. I think you need to find advice from somewhere more impartial than here.

RandomMess · 13/09/2014 22:22

I'm glad you are still managing to take steps forward all be it them slow and painful ones.