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Can't work out how I feel about my bizarre relationship (long, sorry)

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snowiswhite · 19/08/2014 14:00

Have changed my name for this post. I don't really know where to start with this, and I fear it could turn out to be far too long, so will try to keep it as concise as possible (which isn't very). Apologies in advance if I leave out too many details.

Me and DP have been together since 2005. We have DD and DS, aged 4 and nearly 3. I fell head over heels for DP very shortly after meeting him: it really seemed we were soul mates, and I was sincerely convinced for many years that it was very, very rare for a couple to love each other as much as we loved each other.

Shortly after meeting DP, I received an email from someone I didn't know, warning me that DP was a liar and that I should check everything. It was a strange email in that there was info in there that could only have come from someone who had been spying on our instant messenger conversations and emails. To cut a long story short, it turned out to be from DP's ex-girlfriend, who somehow had gained access to his emails etc. She had used a fake name to send me the email. All in all, she hadn't given me any reason to believe she was a reliable source of information, and I dismissed her (after an angsty conversation with DP).

Over the next 6.5 years, I could never shake the sense that DP was lying to me - about everything. This seemed so implausible to me at the time - after all, who (outside of a soap opera) would lie about everything? - that I dismissed it, and attributed this feeling to the fact that DP's ex had written me that strange email near the start of our relationship. We went on to live together, to get engaged, and to have DD and DS.

To cut a very long story short(ish), it turned out that he was indeed lying to me about literally everything. The most shocking lie was pretending to be terminally ill for several years starting from around the time DD was conceived in early 2009 - even going as far to get a scar tattooed on. Aside from that, he would lie about our finances (I no longer had a bank account (because he saw to it, I later realised) and he pretended he was wealthy when in fact we were on benefits), his intentions to marry me (he 'made' literally hundreds of appointments for us to have a no-frills reg office wedding, all of which were cancelled due to unforeseen aspects of his 'treatment' - it later emerged that he was still married to his ex wife), and he borrowed £1000s from my family despite having no way of repaying them.

Throughout all this, I suspected him constantly, but dismissed my suspicions for various reasons. Partly it was because the lies simply didn't make sense: I was working on the assumption that if someone lies to you, it's because they stand to gain something by doing so, and as far as I could see, he stood to gain nothing (quite the reverse in many cases). Partly it was because, as mentioned above, I was afraid that I was being unduly influenced by his ex's email. And partly because, when you think the love of your life is dying, you are afraid that your mind is playing tricks on you: of course you would prefer to believe that they have made up their illness, because that would be preferable to them dying, so that is a reason to dismiss your suspicion that they aren't really ill.

So, fast forward to mid-2012. DD is 2.5 and DS is nearly a year old. For nearly 2 years, we have been living rent-free (or, rather, on DP's constant promise of paying rent) in a totally unsuitable and frankly dangerous-for-kids annex of the home of some lovely relatives of mine. I had not gone back to work after DD was born, and spent my days at home, in the middle of nowhere, with no car, no bank account, 2 small kids to look after, while DP goes out every single day for hospital treatment. All I would do with my life, every day, is feed the kids and take them out for walks. Almost every day I am expecting that we are going to have our no-frills wedding, and every time I hope that this time it will go ahead, but DP calls with some reason why it has had to be cancelled. And almost every day I am expecting that today, finally, after a zillion hiccups, our joint bank account will finally be sorted out and we can get access to DP's massive savings and repay my relatives the money we owe them - but this never happens (N.B. I am not mercenary, I didn't care about living the high life, I just wanted a normal life and not to be in debt to my relatives). Writing all this is making my chest constrict, and maybe you can imagine the enormous stress I was under. It was really difficult to cope with all this, but 'knowing' that DP had a far more difficult battle to fight (i.e. his illness) made me feel guilty for worrying about my own troubles.

Anyway, in mid-2012, DP's excuses and stories started to build up to the extent that they become really quite implausible, and DP himself was starting to behave more erratically, presumably with the stress of keeping all the lies going. Even so, it was only after a long conversation with one of my relatives that I started to confront the possibility that DP was lying about his illness. (An aside: by this point, everyone else in my family had worked out he was lying, but they never said anything about it to me. Either they felt awkward about it or they thought I had access to more information to support my belief in him. But the fact that they all seemed to believe him itself made me think he must be telling the truth, and made me feel guilty for doubting him.) I spoke to DP on the phone - he'd gone to the hospital (or rather pretended to) as usual - and I gently asked him if he was really ill, and that maybe the problem was psychological rather than physical. Immediately he admitted it, if 'admitted' is the right term (given that, as I'll explain, he had trouble distinguishing lies from reality) - he said something like, 'yes, maybe you're right'.

From here, it's quite difficult to explain. It has turned out not to be a case of him consciously and maliciously deciding to lie. He genuinely seemed to have come to believe his own lies. I went to the GP with him and he was referred for a mental health assessment, and diagnosed with dissociative disorder, depression, and anxiety. He had large gaps in his memory and seemed not very capable of distinguishing reality from the fantasy he had invented. Over the months and years since (yes, we are still together), it has turned out that some very awful things have happened to him, and that he has been lying about things since childhood as a way to make himself feel better about himself and more important than he believes he is (he basically believes he is worthless). I think that he has been lying so long that lying comes as naturally to him as telling the truth does to the rest of us, and so it is very difficult for him to stop: much of the time, the decision to lie isn't a conscious choice.

He genuinely struggles wiith this and tries his best to get better. He has taken all the help he has been offered in terms of counselling - which isn't very much, and in my non-professional opinion he hasn't been offered the right sort of thing (basically he sees a counsellor and talks about his past, whereas I think he should be having something like CBT that would focus on getting him to stop lying, which is the root of all our problems). When I realised that we were penniless and on benefits, I saw that I would need to go back to work. I am very highly qualified but work in an extremely competitive industry where jobs are hard to come by. We lived in a shitty council flat, on benefits, for a year while I worked every spare waking minute at trying to get back to work, and eventually I did get a job. Last autumn we moved out of the shitty council estate and into a privately rented house in a nicer area.

My family, understandably, want little to do with DP after all this came out. However, whereas people tended to assume that he'd just leave after he'd been rumbled, he has not. While I've been working, he has tirelessly been a full-time dad. He is a wonderful father: far more patient than me, he adores our children and fills their days with fun things: they have planted flowers in the garden together, learned to ride bikes, etc, and he is involved with their pre-school as a committee member. At the same time he keeps our home in order, does all our grocery shopping, cleans and does the washing, etc. His only 'me time' without the kids are a night in the pub once a week with some friends who know nothing about his strange history (he doesn't get drunk, and doesn't drink much in general), and playing sport once a week during the summer. I am not trying to paint a romantic picture of him here - what I am trying to do is make the point that, whilst the lying etc might make it easy to view him as a villain, he has done his utmost to do the right thing since the problem has been identified.

The problem, though, is that he does still lie sometimes. I can't trust him not to. Sometimes he will admit it out of the blue, without me having pressured him to tell the truth, and he will be full of remorse. But sometimes when he lies, I know he is lying, but he won't admit it - and maybe can't admit it. He is not getting the right sort of mental health help to stop this, and we can't afford private treatment at the moment. And I'm left feeling that I'm dealing with it alone ... I don't really discuss it with people, and about a year ago he admitted it to his mum (which was a big deal because his mum has been through hell for various reasons recently, so he'd put off telling her). I was so pleased when he told his mum because I thought I'd have someone to talk to about it, but it hasn't worked out like that. His mum said she just needed time to digest it, then she and I would have a proper talk. But it's never happened. In the year since she found out, she's visited various family members who needed her help with various things, but she still hasn't tried to get to grips with what DP has been doing. And whilst I konw it must be upsetting for her, it also makes me see that maybe this is why DP is the way he is - he certainly doesn't seem high up her list of priorities. I feel like I've just been left holding the baby, so to speak: I'm dealing with it alone.

I never tell anyone about this. When the lies came to light, I had various friends who believed that DP was seriously ill, so I did tell them the truth in order to put them right. I rarely see them and they don't ask me about DP, perhaps understandably (what would they say?!). Everyone else - e.g. people I work with - just thinks we are a normal couple. I feel a bit like I lead a double life.

And now, I don't know whether I want this any more. I'm so tired of it all. I will always love DP, and I think he is a wonderful father, but the head-over-heels aspect of my feelings for him have gone, and I don't know if they'll come back. It's like the person I loved never existed, and whilst in the early days I was desperate to get that person back, I've sort of given up now. I know he still lies, and I really don't want it to be my problem any more - I don't want to live like this, with the stress of not being able to trust him. But, at the same time, I sort of can't imagine life without him. The children adore him. I care deeply for him and want to help him get better - I think he deserves to get better, he certainly struggles so hard with everything. I don't know what I want.

Complicating my feelings is the thought that, even if I did want out, I don't know how to get out. We live in a very expensive part of the country, and if we broke up we would have to pay for 2 households on my salary. I'm nearly 40, and hoping to buy a house in a year, otherwise I'll be too old to get a mortgage. DP could work, but we'd have to pay for childcare in that case, so wouldn't necessarily be better off. DP has occasionally said that we're not a normal couple and that if I want he will move out and find somewhere alone (presumably a crappy council bedsit), but still come over every day and look after the children. This itself breaks my heart ... his self-esteem is so low that it wouldn't even enter his head to fight for the children to live with him. He believes he deserves so little.

I have sort of lost track of what I was even wanting to ask with this post. I guess I just want to tell someone my story so that maybe, in the discussion that follows (if anyone has read this far!) I might get some clarity to my feelings.

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SolidGoldBrass · 13/09/2014 22:24

I can't offer you much practical help (apart from 'get away from this relationship') but I wanted to send you sympathy. I had an XP like this. I understand the awful mixture of sorrow and shame you feel when the truth slowly dawns (not that you have anything to be ashamed of - this is not your fault.) Mine lied and lied, leading to me being repeatedly embarrassed in front of friends. Sometimes it was trivial - he was going to be interviewed on a radio programme, and we would get the radio and tune it in and listen.... and nothing would happen. Sometimes it was more awkward - he would borrow money against a payment due and then 'something would go wrong' and he would not pay it back. One of the most headfucking things about my XP was that, actually, about 10% of his claims were true. He was a struggling actor and musician but he was in at least one of the films he claimed to be in (I have seen it, and the actor on screen saying his one line is indisputably XP). I met, years later, one of the minor celebs XP claimed to know, and the minor celeb did know XP (though said to me something along the lines of, he's a liar, don't lend him money you can't afford to get back).
My experiences of this were all about 25 years ago, yet I would have to say that there's a lasting effect on me. Though I do my best to hide it, I have a tendency to be unreasonably suspicious of new people who make extravagant claims. At the same time, I seem to be a bit of a magnet for con artists on a professional level - even when I know that someone is going to rip me off, I find myself going along with what they want and being unable to sleep or settle for the weeks or months leading up to the point at which they wreck the work project or vanish without paying.

Please walk away from this wretched man. It may not be his fault that he is the way he is but you can't help him.

MerryMarigold · 13/09/2014 23:16

Read most of this thread. Didn't want to walk away without offering you a hug. You've lived through a huge strain. I really admire the way you have dealt with this without bitterness or anger, and have treated your dp with compassion. It restores faith in human nature a little! I hope it all works out well. That you have your future of you and DC in a home, and a relationship with DP which can be positive for all of you, as well as a lifestyle that is positive for him and help he can access. A friend of mine (not an expert in MH!) always claims MH issues become more pronounced after 30 - and in my experience she is right. There is a period of time where these issues need to be recognised, diagnosed and then treated. This is a hard time. I hope the years after this will be kinder to all of you.

Zazzles007 · 13/09/2014 23:32

Ah OP, I have followed your thread, but not posted until now, and have just seen your update. I dated someone for a year who I suspect had BPD, with a huge dose of narcissistic PD thrown in for good measure.

As I have parents with personality disorders, yes it is important that you also attend the appointments as well. Unfortunately, this is a case where "perception is reality", and because their perception is so, so flawed, they cannot relate what is happening with any sense of what is truly happening. And they are so used to lying about their world, that they will immediately default to this action. I am glad that you have moved forward on this, whatever the eventual outcome may be, and I wish you the best of luck in coming to some sort of resolution. From my research on BPD (if it does turn out to be that), it is one of the more 'treatable' personality disorders (some of them are malignant, and basically untreatable, and of course this still may be the case in relation to your husband). Good luck.

DrCarolineTodd · 14/09/2014 01:13

I haven't read the whole thread because my blood ran cold when I saw the original post.

I sent my ex's new fiancé a similar message after they got engaged, though I hadn't spied on their web chats. I desperately wanted to get through to her the fact that she needed to run and not look back.

I don't think it's the same man, unless you've changed details to anonymise it. In my case he spent our entire relationship pretending to be a recovering heroin addict. All lies.

This doesn't sound like BPD or any kind of dissociative disorder to me. And whatever it is I think you need to get the hell away.

And if you ARE dating my ex and you know who I am, please contact me and I'll gladly help you.

DrCarolineTodd · 14/09/2014 01:22

Oh and either the letter is fake or he's lied about his symptoms.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 14/09/2014 06:49

I'm sorry but I think this man is continuing to manipulate and lie. Originally via the mythical physical illness and now, I strongly suspect, via the alleged psychiatric condition. He faked one for several years and I see no reason to believe that he is a genuine sufferer of another. A pathological liar prepared to go the lengths you originally described to maintain the illusion is certainly capable of reading around the subject and putting on a very good act.

SolidGoldBrass · 14/09/2014 09:55

I do think that pathological lying is a mental illness. Doesn't mean the OP should put up with this man any longer, but this level of lying is not just malevolence and selfishness, it is beyond the liar's control and the liar believes quite a lot of it him/herself.

thicketofstars · 14/09/2014 10:37

OP, I just wanted to add my support for you and your DP. What a dreadful experience for you and indeed, what a desperate existence for him as well if things are as they seem.

Mumsnet users on this board have extensive experience with partners who deliberately lie and are perfectly aware of what they are doing. While it's possible that this is your DP, from what you've said, I agree with you that there seems to be something wrong at a deeper level with your DP. Coming to believe in a created fantasy is completely different from creating a fantasy whilst also knowing what's 'real'.

I also don't think anyone here has any idea if he is an adequate caregiver to your children. Mental illness has such a stigma that it's too easy to presume he's capable of anything. As the psychiatrist who has posted so helpfully has suggested, he may be fine on a practical level but possibly not so fine emotionally. That seems sensible, especially as your children get older. In many ways, he sounds like a very caring husband (on a practical level) an a caring father as well. We need more men like this! That's not to say you shouldn't leave him or to diminish the huge problems you're facing. Posters are not in a position to assume you're unsafe, or that he's lying at the moment, or that he is an inadequate primary caregiver. If it's any consolation, I experienced a bad bout of depression once that resulted in a three month stay in an open psychiatric ward. Obviously, all the patients were suffering from various psychiatric problems. Many were anxious to get better as soon as possible so they could return to caring for their children.

Your story reminds me of a movie I watched called Catfish. It's a kind of documentary about a woman who has come to believe her own lies. She speaks briefly about it in a interview on this link and shows it definitely is possible to become addicted to a fantasy but also to feel very, very guilty and unhappy about the impact of that on others abcnews.go.com/2020/catfish-woman-angela-wesselman-twisted-cyber-romance-abc/story?id=11831583.
It might be helpful to watch the film with your DP as a starting point for conversation.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 14/09/2014 17:07

I'm more suspicious than you SGB.... :) I think it's revealing that he chose to hold back when in front of the GP and allowed the OP to fill in the blanks, as it were.

thicketofstars · 14/09/2014 20:58

If he has a tendency to protect himself by lying, coming out with it to a GP might just have been too difficult...it would be difficult for anyone to do. Embarrassing. And he could be only now and then aware that it's a problem - it's obvious he feels ambiguity about how much he wants to get rid of this. There are all sorts of reasons why he could have hedged - I don't think it proves or suggests anything unless you already have a predisposition to view the situation through a particular lens.

thicketofstars · 14/09/2014 20:58

how much he wants to get rid of this/is aware there's a problem

CogitoErgoSometimes · 14/09/2014 21:02

Someone who cracked on they had a life-threatening illness for years has no shame, no conscience and therefore is unlikely to suffer from embarrassment. I think he has swapped one alleged malady for another in order to gain sympathy. No mystery....

SolidGoldBrass · 14/09/2014 22:30

But lying to the extent he did - about having cancer etc - is beyond what most dishonest people would do or be able to sustain. Everyone tells a fib or two (the train was late = I overslept; the cheque's in the post, whatever) but those who lie about important things and know they are lying can't keep it up for very long,so they run away. To an extent I think people who lie like this actually believe a lot of their own lies and simultaneously desperatlely want the lie to become true and keep hoping it will do, because that's the only way out of the situation.

thicketofstars · 14/09/2014 22:37

Don't think you understand the condition cogito but agree with you that he may or may not suffer from it.

snowiswhite · 17/09/2014 13:20

Thanks for the replies.

Cogito I have gone through the thought process you are going through, wondering if he's just swapped a fake somatic illness for a fake psychiatric one. Over the past couple of years I've seen enough to believe that's not the case. Aside from anything else, if there really isn't anything wrong with him, then his behaviour apparently has no explanation: he does not gain anything from lying to me, and in many cases he has harmed himself by doing so. In fact, that there was no logic to his lies were the reason they went unnoticed for so long. Having said that, with this sort of thing, I think the boundary between 'mad' and 'bad' is pretty vague (so to speak). It could be that in some sense he can't help the way he behaves, but believing that he can't help it might itself exacerbate the problem by absolving him of responsibility. My plan is still to leave this relationship when it becomes practicable, but I want to try to help him get help first, both because I owe it to our children and because I still care about him even if I don't love him the way that I used to.

aermingers I haven't spoken to those charities but have discussed DP with two psychiatrist friends, which gives me an expert view on this. Talking to non-psychiatrist strangers is not an appealing prospect, TBH, because of the understandably shocked response I get. And don't worry, there is no way I would decide against my better judgement that DP is not a fit parent simply because someone on an internet forum has said so. I appreciate all the comments here, which have really helped me clarify my thoughts and take a different view of my situation, but am not going to take drastic action on the basis of them.

DrCaroline thanks for your kind words, but it doesn't sound like you are the person who sent me the message. It happened just after me and DP got together. We weren't engaged. And the woman who contacted me used a false name and didn't explain who she was or why she was contacting me, which basically undermined everything she said and (along with the evidence of her spying on our online interactions) made her just seem like a trouble maker. As for the letter being fake - I'm assuming you're referring to the letter in which the gateway worker diagnosed him with dissociative disorder. It was not fake - I opened it, and I've also been there with the GP discussing his history. But it does sound like the diagnosis was unreliable - both the psychiatrists I've discussed this with have said that they have never used that diagnosis, and can't imagine being able to use it with confidence.

Got to rush and can't reply to everyone who commented since my last update, but I really do appreciate your words, and I've read them several times before writing this post.

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snowiswhite · 28/10/2014 10:37

I ended this relationship last night after discovering something quite major. I am going to come back and write a longer update later (can't at the moment because of work stuff), but for the moment I just wanted to say this, just to get it out. I am both relieved and devastated, and it is all such a mess because I don't know how we're going to manage the practical stuff.

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GoodtoBetter · 28/10/2014 10:42

I have followed your thread from the beginning but never posted because I haven't really known what to say :(
I hope you are OK, whatever it is that has happened. But you will manage.
Best wishes.

Toofar · 28/10/2014 10:57

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shhChangingDirection · 28/10/2014 11:15

You are bloody incredible for staying in as long as you did.

Pandora37 · 28/10/2014 12:28

I've just read this whole thread, I'm really sorry for everything you've gone through. You sound like a lovely, compassionate person and whilst I'm sorry that something major has happened, I'm glad that you've found the courage to end it. I hope you're able to seek good support in real life, both for the practical stuff and emotionally. Flowers

ChelsyHandy · 28/10/2014 12:39

I think you're spending far too much time and effort on analysing him and making up reasons for his behaviour. Of which no doubt there are many. The majority of violent criminals have mental health disorders and while they might be lovely people just wanting to get out, it doesn't excuse what they have done.

It might be better to concentrate on what he does, which is to be lie and sponge off you. I doubt you will fix him, and even if you do, partially, whats the point?

He is a conman. He will just move onto his next victim once he finds he won't get any more out of you. And why would you want this man around your children more than necessary?

bibliomania · 28/10/2014 12:45

Glad you're out. Sorry you've had to go through more distress along the way.

It will sound trite to say that it's for the best, and things will start to get better now. It's still true though.

The only way out is through.

snowiswhite · 28/10/2014 13:16

Right. So. Update.

First, I just want to say how incredibly touched I am whenever I post an update on this thread (which I've done once or twice) that people will come along and leave sympathetic comments. I guess that this situation feels so lonely that it's especially nice when people reach out and say kind things.

Before getting to what happened yesterday, I should say that I went with ex-DP for a psychiatric assessment a few weeks ago. I had convinced myself (thanks to some helpful guidance on this thread as well as conversations with some psychiatrist friends I know in real life) that ex-DP had borderline personality disorder, with some bits of narcissism thrown in. Reading the diagnostic criteria for BPD was like reading a descirption of him. But at the end of the assessment (which was with a psychiatrist and a psychiatric nurse), the psychiatrist said that he didn't think ex-DP had BPD or any other condition, and that he is 'just' a liar. He told ex-DP that he has a choice about whether or not to lie. In some ways this was really disappointing, as it would have been comforting to have a diagnosis, at least in that it would have shown that we were not alone in dealing with this situation. But I could see it made sense. Perhaps it wasn't helpful to ex-DP to believe that he had a mental illness, because he is already disposed to shirk responsibility for his behaviour, and a diagnosis might have made him feel even more that he couldn't control what he did.

So, last night I was texting DP's niece, who is 19 and really nice. I don't know her very well at all in RL, but (long story short) she is a university student and her course is in an area that I am relatively expert in, so she frequently texts me to ask me things. Nice as she is, I hvae grown to dread receiving her texts, because every time I receive one it becomes clear that she is under some misguided impression about ex-DP. Several weeks ago, it emerged that she believed that ex-DP was in hospital and had been there for weeks, and that I would take the children to visit himat weekends. All this was bollocks - he was sitting next to me on the sofa watching TV while I was texting her, and he has never stayed in hospital for as long as I've known him. Then, a couple of nights ago, it emerged that her grandmother (and ex-DP's mum) was about to move to the same street as us because ex-DP had bought her a house. This prompted a more frank than usual exchange of texts between me and the niece (usually I evade her questions because (1) I'm afraid that she might conclude that I'm lying, not ex-DP, and (2) because niece has been through some horrible ordeals in the last few years and the fact that I don't know her well makes me wonder how well she would cope with knowing the truth about her uncle). I learned that ex-DP is constantly talking to his mum about his best friend, P, and that P would be going with ex-DP to pick his mum up and help her move into her new house. P doesn't exist! Reading my niece's texts, I had a horrible horror-movie sensation: it felt a bit like that moment in The Shining where Jack Nicholson's wife discovers that he hasn't been writing a novel, and has instead been typing out 'all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy' for hundreds of pages. I also discovered that ex-DP is still telling his mother that he has been staying in hospital (he’d told me that he’d stopped doing this). Further, ex-DP’s mum is under the impression that he is seriously ill and is really worried about him undergoing all sorts of horrible procedures. I find this incredibly shocking. To give you a bit of background: ex-DP’s mum has had to live through the deaths of ex-DP’s two brothers, raise his niece after the death of niece’s father, had one of her sisters die a few years ago, and is currently nursing her other sister through cancer. And now she is pointlessly worried about ex-DP’s health. When I asked ex-DP why he’s told her all this, his answer was ‘I just want her to leave me alone’. If you’ve RTFT, you might see that this is just one example in a long pattern of ex-DP putting other people through hell merely to buy himself some convenience or get people off his back.

Ex-DP was really annoyed to hear that I’d been talking to his niece, and told me not to do so. At this point, I realised that I am actually afraid of him. I don’t mean that I think he’d hurt me or the children, but I do avoid confronting him about his lies because he always gets angry and finds a way to blame me. So, often I’ll just do anything to keep the peace. Further, he’ll often say that if I rock the boat (e.g. by talking to his family), he won’t be able to cope and will just leave. Out of concern for the DCs I usually do whatever I can to keep the peace. It’s like walking on eggshells. But it occurred to me the other night that maybe this is all bollocks too, and that he’s pretending to be fragile just as a way of manipulating and controlling me. (This is very similar to what he’d do when he was pretending to have a heart condition: any time I confronted him or gave him a hard time about things, he would clutch his chest and feign some sort of attack, which would always be followed with him pretending to go to hospital, and returning with the news that a bit more damage had been done to his heart, and of course it was all my fault for starting an argument.) I told him this, and I also told him that I didn’t need his permission to speak to his family members, or to anyone else.

I think that what finally made me snap was the following: (1) realising that I am afraid of him, or at least afraid of his reactions, and that therefore I definitely shouldn’t be in a relationship with him any more; (2) realising that he is not the fragile, helpless victim that he often pretends to be, and that he’s trying to manipulate me and others the way he has in the past; (3) realising that, whilst I had thought that he was struggling with mental health issues and making progress, in reality he was just directing his lies elsewhere; and (4) being utterly, utterly shocked that he would have so little concern for his mother’s feelings that he would lead her to believe he is seriously ill simply to stop her contacting him.

I have told him that we should focus on being parents, and that we’re not in a relationship any more. I think that, actually, this might have been what he wanted: he does keep saying that he just wants to be left alone—for some reason he wouldn’t make the decision to be on his own, because he never likes to make decisions or take responsibility about anything, I guess so that he doesn’t get blamed if it’s the ‘wrong’ thing to do. I don’t know how we’re oing to manage the practicalities. He is a SAHD and is actually great with the children, so we’ll carsry on like this for now. I do realise (before anyone points this out) that, in the long term, it is not great that the kids are being looked after mainly by someone capable of such large scale manipulation, so I’m just going to work towards becoming more independent from him, this is not something I can realistically manage now. (And, in addition, the fact that he is actually a great dad to the DCs means that it would be wrong of me to try to take them away from him.) I don’t know if he will remain living with us, or go somewhere else—we certainly can’t afford to run another house hold, but I guess this is something we’re going to have to look into soon. So, for the moment, we’ve broken up, but he’s still living with us. I don’t really know how this will all pan out, but whilst I’m pretty upset, I don’t feel a shred of regret for ending the relationship. I feel I’ve given it all I can and more.

Thanks for reading, and thanks to everyone who’s offered words of advice and support.

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snowiswhite · 28/10/2014 13:23

Oh, I should add (in case it wasn't obvious) that ex-DP hasn't really bought a house for his mum - this, too, was a lie.

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LoisPumpkinPieLane · 28/10/2014 13:28

I was going to ask about that - surely his mum will notice that the house doesn't actually exist? And how is that designed to get his mum to leave him alone? It doesn't make sense. But then I suppose if lying has become his default response, expecting it to make sense does not make sense.

I think you're well out of it.

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