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Can't work out how I feel about my bizarre relationship (long, sorry)

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snowiswhite · 19/08/2014 14:00

Have changed my name for this post. I don't really know where to start with this, and I fear it could turn out to be far too long, so will try to keep it as concise as possible (which isn't very). Apologies in advance if I leave out too many details.

Me and DP have been together since 2005. We have DD and DS, aged 4 and nearly 3. I fell head over heels for DP very shortly after meeting him: it really seemed we were soul mates, and I was sincerely convinced for many years that it was very, very rare for a couple to love each other as much as we loved each other.

Shortly after meeting DP, I received an email from someone I didn't know, warning me that DP was a liar and that I should check everything. It was a strange email in that there was info in there that could only have come from someone who had been spying on our instant messenger conversations and emails. To cut a long story short, it turned out to be from DP's ex-girlfriend, who somehow had gained access to his emails etc. She had used a fake name to send me the email. All in all, she hadn't given me any reason to believe she was a reliable source of information, and I dismissed her (after an angsty conversation with DP).

Over the next 6.5 years, I could never shake the sense that DP was lying to me - about everything. This seemed so implausible to me at the time - after all, who (outside of a soap opera) would lie about everything? - that I dismissed it, and attributed this feeling to the fact that DP's ex had written me that strange email near the start of our relationship. We went on to live together, to get engaged, and to have DD and DS.

To cut a very long story short(ish), it turned out that he was indeed lying to me about literally everything. The most shocking lie was pretending to be terminally ill for several years starting from around the time DD was conceived in early 2009 - even going as far to get a scar tattooed on. Aside from that, he would lie about our finances (I no longer had a bank account (because he saw to it, I later realised) and he pretended he was wealthy when in fact we were on benefits), his intentions to marry me (he 'made' literally hundreds of appointments for us to have a no-frills reg office wedding, all of which were cancelled due to unforeseen aspects of his 'treatment' - it later emerged that he was still married to his ex wife), and he borrowed £1000s from my family despite having no way of repaying them.

Throughout all this, I suspected him constantly, but dismissed my suspicions for various reasons. Partly it was because the lies simply didn't make sense: I was working on the assumption that if someone lies to you, it's because they stand to gain something by doing so, and as far as I could see, he stood to gain nothing (quite the reverse in many cases). Partly it was because, as mentioned above, I was afraid that I was being unduly influenced by his ex's email. And partly because, when you think the love of your life is dying, you are afraid that your mind is playing tricks on you: of course you would prefer to believe that they have made up their illness, because that would be preferable to them dying, so that is a reason to dismiss your suspicion that they aren't really ill.

So, fast forward to mid-2012. DD is 2.5 and DS is nearly a year old. For nearly 2 years, we have been living rent-free (or, rather, on DP's constant promise of paying rent) in a totally unsuitable and frankly dangerous-for-kids annex of the home of some lovely relatives of mine. I had not gone back to work after DD was born, and spent my days at home, in the middle of nowhere, with no car, no bank account, 2 small kids to look after, while DP goes out every single day for hospital treatment. All I would do with my life, every day, is feed the kids and take them out for walks. Almost every day I am expecting that we are going to have our no-frills wedding, and every time I hope that this time it will go ahead, but DP calls with some reason why it has had to be cancelled. And almost every day I am expecting that today, finally, after a zillion hiccups, our joint bank account will finally be sorted out and we can get access to DP's massive savings and repay my relatives the money we owe them - but this never happens (N.B. I am not mercenary, I didn't care about living the high life, I just wanted a normal life and not to be in debt to my relatives). Writing all this is making my chest constrict, and maybe you can imagine the enormous stress I was under. It was really difficult to cope with all this, but 'knowing' that DP had a far more difficult battle to fight (i.e. his illness) made me feel guilty for worrying about my own troubles.

Anyway, in mid-2012, DP's excuses and stories started to build up to the extent that they become really quite implausible, and DP himself was starting to behave more erratically, presumably with the stress of keeping all the lies going. Even so, it was only after a long conversation with one of my relatives that I started to confront the possibility that DP was lying about his illness. (An aside: by this point, everyone else in my family had worked out he was lying, but they never said anything about it to me. Either they felt awkward about it or they thought I had access to more information to support my belief in him. But the fact that they all seemed to believe him itself made me think he must be telling the truth, and made me feel guilty for doubting him.) I spoke to DP on the phone - he'd gone to the hospital (or rather pretended to) as usual - and I gently asked him if he was really ill, and that maybe the problem was psychological rather than physical. Immediately he admitted it, if 'admitted' is the right term (given that, as I'll explain, he had trouble distinguishing lies from reality) - he said something like, 'yes, maybe you're right'.

From here, it's quite difficult to explain. It has turned out not to be a case of him consciously and maliciously deciding to lie. He genuinely seemed to have come to believe his own lies. I went to the GP with him and he was referred for a mental health assessment, and diagnosed with dissociative disorder, depression, and anxiety. He had large gaps in his memory and seemed not very capable of distinguishing reality from the fantasy he had invented. Over the months and years since (yes, we are still together), it has turned out that some very awful things have happened to him, and that he has been lying about things since childhood as a way to make himself feel better about himself and more important than he believes he is (he basically believes he is worthless). I think that he has been lying so long that lying comes as naturally to him as telling the truth does to the rest of us, and so it is very difficult for him to stop: much of the time, the decision to lie isn't a conscious choice.

He genuinely struggles wiith this and tries his best to get better. He has taken all the help he has been offered in terms of counselling - which isn't very much, and in my non-professional opinion he hasn't been offered the right sort of thing (basically he sees a counsellor and talks about his past, whereas I think he should be having something like CBT that would focus on getting him to stop lying, which is the root of all our problems). When I realised that we were penniless and on benefits, I saw that I would need to go back to work. I am very highly qualified but work in an extremely competitive industry where jobs are hard to come by. We lived in a shitty council flat, on benefits, for a year while I worked every spare waking minute at trying to get back to work, and eventually I did get a job. Last autumn we moved out of the shitty council estate and into a privately rented house in a nicer area.

My family, understandably, want little to do with DP after all this came out. However, whereas people tended to assume that he'd just leave after he'd been rumbled, he has not. While I've been working, he has tirelessly been a full-time dad. He is a wonderful father: far more patient than me, he adores our children and fills their days with fun things: they have planted flowers in the garden together, learned to ride bikes, etc, and he is involved with their pre-school as a committee member. At the same time he keeps our home in order, does all our grocery shopping, cleans and does the washing, etc. His only 'me time' without the kids are a night in the pub once a week with some friends who know nothing about his strange history (he doesn't get drunk, and doesn't drink much in general), and playing sport once a week during the summer. I am not trying to paint a romantic picture of him here - what I am trying to do is make the point that, whilst the lying etc might make it easy to view him as a villain, he has done his utmost to do the right thing since the problem has been identified.

The problem, though, is that he does still lie sometimes. I can't trust him not to. Sometimes he will admit it out of the blue, without me having pressured him to tell the truth, and he will be full of remorse. But sometimes when he lies, I know he is lying, but he won't admit it - and maybe can't admit it. He is not getting the right sort of mental health help to stop this, and we can't afford private treatment at the moment. And I'm left feeling that I'm dealing with it alone ... I don't really discuss it with people, and about a year ago he admitted it to his mum (which was a big deal because his mum has been through hell for various reasons recently, so he'd put off telling her). I was so pleased when he told his mum because I thought I'd have someone to talk to about it, but it hasn't worked out like that. His mum said she just needed time to digest it, then she and I would have a proper talk. But it's never happened. In the year since she found out, she's visited various family members who needed her help with various things, but she still hasn't tried to get to grips with what DP has been doing. And whilst I konw it must be upsetting for her, it also makes me see that maybe this is why DP is the way he is - he certainly doesn't seem high up her list of priorities. I feel like I've just been left holding the baby, so to speak: I'm dealing with it alone.

I never tell anyone about this. When the lies came to light, I had various friends who believed that DP was seriously ill, so I did tell them the truth in order to put them right. I rarely see them and they don't ask me about DP, perhaps understandably (what would they say?!). Everyone else - e.g. people I work with - just thinks we are a normal couple. I feel a bit like I lead a double life.

And now, I don't know whether I want this any more. I'm so tired of it all. I will always love DP, and I think he is a wonderful father, but the head-over-heels aspect of my feelings for him have gone, and I don't know if they'll come back. It's like the person I loved never existed, and whilst in the early days I was desperate to get that person back, I've sort of given up now. I know he still lies, and I really don't want it to be my problem any more - I don't want to live like this, with the stress of not being able to trust him. But, at the same time, I sort of can't imagine life without him. The children adore him. I care deeply for him and want to help him get better - I think he deserves to get better, he certainly struggles so hard with everything. I don't know what I want.

Complicating my feelings is the thought that, even if I did want out, I don't know how to get out. We live in a very expensive part of the country, and if we broke up we would have to pay for 2 households on my salary. I'm nearly 40, and hoping to buy a house in a year, otherwise I'll be too old to get a mortgage. DP could work, but we'd have to pay for childcare in that case, so wouldn't necessarily be better off. DP has occasionally said that we're not a normal couple and that if I want he will move out and find somewhere alone (presumably a crappy council bedsit), but still come over every day and look after the children. This itself breaks my heart ... his self-esteem is so low that it wouldn't even enter his head to fight for the children to live with him. He believes he deserves so little.

I have sort of lost track of what I was even wanting to ask with this post. I guess I just want to tell someone my story so that maybe, in the discussion that follows (if anyone has read this far!) I might get some clarity to my feelings.

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VSeth · 20/08/2014 14:50

I have watched this thread with interest, as I mentioned up thread I have a Step Brother who lies, has fucked his life up and others around him, I feel for his parent, various ex/current partners (who knows) and children.

The way you are minimising his behaviour is terrifying, your DH has a serious issue and your response is to ask a friend about him, seriously?! you know that you need to get professional appointments and attend with him.

You trust him with your children yet he has the ability to lie about everything, you dont know his financial status/background, you have no idea if he is having any treatment for this alleged serious condition but havent followed up.

Is letting him look after the children full time a way of controlling his movements? i.e. if he is at home all the time you are in theory minimising the chance of him fucking more things up?

In the recent circumstances (landlord etc) I can understand your craving for something dependable regards buying a house but seriously you need to get you and your children away from this man, as someone else said up thread this man is likely to borrow against the house/remortgage/sell it from under you etc etc. If you get him out of your life your life will be more calm and then you can get a mortgage etc. using some of your income for some safe childcare in the meantime, while you work is far better than not knowing what you might return home to?

I am sure that you are worn down by him, he has you exactly where he wants you, if you do leave make sure that you are safe, not alone when you tell him and I wouldnt recommend he has the children unsupervised.

He might be ill, it might not be in his control but still it is happening, look at what he has done/is doing. He is very good at deceit. Stop minimising it.

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Thenapoleonofcrime · 20/08/2014 15:01

I would also say you have no idea what is going on in his mind. You say you don't think he has delusions or paranoia or whatever, how do you know? He lies all the time. You also say you think he's an amazing dad when you are not there. How do you know? You really can't tell.

He thought it was reasonable and rational to pretend to be terminally ill, act this out for months or years, involve your whole family and get a tattoo to show his scar. This is way beyond lying, it's extremely disturbing and worrying behaviour and suggest you have no knowledge of the contents of his mind for years on end.

My worry, like VSeth's is that you seem to think you have the measure of the situation, but you don't as everything you have told us about his diagnosis (apart from the letter), treatment, likely mind-state has come from him. He tells lies, who knows what he's been doing during that 'counseling' time.

I think you are also minimising the risk to yourself and the children; he's happy being a SAHD now, not challenging to him particularly, but he may need to work/get a flat/live away from the family. Who knows how this might work out in his mind, given his previous history?

I have experience of this- someone looking and acting normal until one day they didn't and this was a terrible experience.

thestamp · 20/08/2014 16:13

if you read a list of BPD symptoms and start thinking "that's DP" --

then you need to get your children out of his primary care. I am not trying to alarm you but you need to understand that this is URGENT. a person who is like that, and who is not receiving any MH support/therapy -- IS NOT a person that you want to be in charge of your children day in and day out.

i'm not saying he shouldn't see them and i'm not saying that people with BPD/similar symptoms can't be trusted etc. etc. i'm just saying, this person NEEDS to be assessed and your children need to be safeguarded.

and it's not that i think he's going to run off and kill them or something. (tho to be frank, if someone has a personality disorder, and is highly invested in keeping control of things, they WILL use children to get what they want and sadly that sometimes includes harming them. that is how family murders happen.)

the real risk, well it's not even a risk, it's a certainty, is the long term psychological damage of being raised by someone who is basically not sane, who doesn't seem to worry too much about fact vs. fiction. that is how children end up in psychiatric wards.

i am pretty disturbed by the idea that you trust your 4yo to tell you if her father is acting strangely. the girl has only ever known a father who acts strangely. this is her reality, it's what she thinks is normal. there is no WAY she would be a reliable reporter. at this age all she wants is for her parents to love her and be happy. even if she did have the ability to judge his behaviour objectively, she can't conceive of her father being "wrong" in any way. He is God to her, at this age, and has been for her whole life.

think about that. A man whose entire existence is a tissue of lies, that is her God. she is learning day in and day out, that the universe is fundamentally deceitful and that people who love her will always lie to her. even, that unless someone lies to you, they can't possibly love you. do you want that for her?

Twinklestein · 20/08/2014 16:22

I want to say that I don't think I am unrealistic about the possibility that DP will get 'back to normal'. I'm just trying to see a way forward, keeping in mind that it is more than likely that I will decide it is best if we live separately.

OP, with kindness, there is no possibility that he will get back to 'normal' in the way that you mean, this is his 'normal'. This is an on-going state that he will be dealing with for the rest of his life. He may learn to manage it, he may, with good therapy, get insights into his condition, work on certain aspects, but this is him.

In order for you to see a way forward that is realistic and viable, you need to factor this in.

Best of luck, you're in very tough situation,

snowiswhite · 20/08/2014 16:45

A few inaccuracies come up in the comments here, which is understandable as the thread is getting quite long, but just want to correct a few of them:

The way you are minimising his behaviour is terrifying, your DH has a serious issue and your response is to ask a friend about him, seriously?! - I'm not minimising his behaviour. I'm used to it, it's become normal for me, and I've acknowledged that this is wrong. Part of my reason for posting here is to get others' perspective on it, which is something I never get in real life. The 'friend' I plan to ask about him is a psychiatrist. I planned to ask him to find out if we should try to get a second opinion (i.e. a new diagnosis), although I'm satisfied from the discussion here that we do inded need to do this. Will still try to talk to my friend though.

You trust him with your children yet he has the ability to lie about everything, you dont know his financial status/background, you have no idea if he is having any treatment for this alleged serious condition but havent followed up. - I admit I've been too slack here. TBH, checking up constantly is totally exhausting, and every challenge leads to denial then argument. I am tired of it and want some distiance from it, hence my thinking this has to come to an end.

Is letting him look after the children full time a way of controlling his movements? i.e. if he is at home all the time you are in theory minimising the chance of him fucking more things up? - No, I definitely don't feel a need to control him. He looks after the children full time because I work full time. Before I went back to work, the plan was for him to get work - but as it turned out, he would pretend that he had jobs (he was freelance) and I would find out he'd lied about them.

He wouldn't be able to borrow against a house/mortgage because it would all be in my name. As is our current house rental.

^Op in reading the diagnostic criteria, did you notice that it all must be enduring, and present through childhood.
Your partner.s narrative is that his cruel first wife made him this way.^
I did notice that bit. I didn't say his cruel first wife made him this way - I mentioned the abandonment by his father (DP was about 6) which seriously affected him. The stuff with his first wife would have cemented those feelings, if his story about what happened is true. (BTW, this wasn't the ex-wife he turned out to be married to when I was with him. He has 2 ex-wives. That's another story.) The woman who emailed me wasn't either of these, just some woman he went out with for a while before he met me.

Thenapoleonofcrime I take on board what you are saying. I make do with the evidence I have available. I know I could be very wrong. I do know that a separation is the only way, but ned to work out how to go about this. And independent of that I want to help him get the right help.

thestamp I have spent some time today reading up about BPD, especially googling stories about people who have been raised by BPD parents (although let's keep in mind that we're all still speculating about what the right diagnosis might be!). In honesty, DP doesn't sound like any of those people I've read about - he is not aggressive, for example. Which is not to say that I think he definitely doesn't have BPD. To have BPD he has to have at least 5 out of 9 criteria. I've been through these and am not sure we could get to 5, although some of them do describe him very well. For example, these ones seem relevant:

1. Frantic efforst to avoid real or imagined abandonment - definitely
2. A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterised by alternating between extremes of idealisation and devaluation - well, maybe, but I wonder whether I might be shoehorning him into this description. He has very often been very critical of me throughout our relationship, to the point where I have asked him why he is with me since he doesn't seem to think I have any redeeming qualities! But at the same time he sometimes seems to think he's not worthy of me, etc.
5. Recurrent suicidal behaviour, gestures, or threats, or self-mutilating behaviour - I think so: there are the fantasies about suicide. And perhaps stuff like getting a scar tattoo counts as self-mutilating ...?
9. Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms. - that he had a diagnosis of dissociative disorder suggests he fits this criterion, and as I've said, he does have a paranoid way of interpreting things (although not sure if this is 'stress-related')

So, he seems to fit 4 of the necessary 5. Some of the others I'm not sure how to interpret. For example, another criterion is Chronic feelings of emptiness - he is certainly depressed, but I don't know whether that counts. And I'm not entirely sure what Identity disturbance is.

This cack-handed attempt at diagnosis is pretty dumb. Mamadoc is going to be horrified when she comes back :D

OP posts:
snowiswhite · 20/08/2014 16:46

Twinklestein - you misinterpreted me, or I expressed myself sloppily (likely the latter). What I meant is that I do not expect him to get back to 'normal'.

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Twinklestein · 20/08/2014 17:01

Ah iswym, you meant you were not thinking unrealistically that he could. I'm sorry I misinterpreted you in the light of other comments you had made.

snowiswhite · 20/08/2014 17:03

Don't apologise, am v grateful for your input :)

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OhMyArsingGodInABox · 20/08/2014 17:54

Have you checked your credit file?

It would be ridiculously easy for me to take out a loan right now for maybe 25k, purely in DH's name, all online and with maybe a forged signature. Have a think about that.

FunkyBoldRibena · 20/08/2014 17:57

But having witnessed first-hand his ability to care for my children, I don't have worries there.

Yes, you keep saying this. However you were duped for years and as I said earlier, are not really qualified to have no worries about this because your radar is not attuned to what is or isn't something to worry about.

thestamp · 20/08/2014 18:12

OP, i was not trying to tell you he has BPD and should therefore not be caring for children.

i said if you read a list of BPD symptoms and start to see your partner in them, bearing in mind the HUGE, gargatuan, massive red flags in the rest of the relationship, then you really, REALLY need to get the children out of his primary care and you need to get him in front of a psychiatrist for a full assessment.

you seem to want to tell me that he might not have BPD so the children are fine. But by your own admission, the children are being cared for by a person who:

  1. Makes frantic efforst to avoid real or imagined abandonment -- this is INCREDIBLY damaging for children to be around. he is teaching them that they need to do the same thing, because the world is fundamentally unsafe.
  2. A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterised by alternating between extremes of idealisation and devaluation. The only reason this is not directed at the children YET is because they are still too small to challenge him in any way. It's only a matter of time.
  3. Recurrent suicidal behaviour, gestures, or threats, or self-mutilating behaviour. Massive red flag. A person having suicidal thoughts NEEDS treatment, at the very least, if they are going to be left alone with kids.
  4. Transient, stress-related paranoid ideation or severe dissociative symptoms. Again... this kind of thing can snowball with alarming speed into a tragedy. Dissociative symptoms are serious, serious business.

It's doesn't matter if it's "stress-related", he is still showing these symptoms! whether the DSM says that's enough to peg him with a certain diagnosis is immaterial. this is the person who cares for your children all day. he needs treatment urgently and you need to be fully involved, constantly safeguarding the children, organising respite for him, etc.

You are minimising this alarmingly. I am not trying to be unkind but this is very very alarming.

snowiswhite · 20/08/2014 18:26

This will be shirt as on my phone. I'm not saying he does or doesn't have bpd, was just setting out how I saw him ad fitting with the criteria! I'm not minimizing his issues, I have acknowledged the points made here and earlier emailed dp (since I wont see him tonight) to set out my reasons for thinking we have both failed to treat his issues with the urgency they deserve and that we need to go to the gp and insist in his referral to a psychiatrist. But as for getting the dcs out of his care immediately, this simply is not possible. I work full time, we don't have anyone who could offer free babysitting, and no cash for childminders. I really am doing my best to do the right thing.

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snowiswhite · 20/08/2014 18:26

This will be shirt as on my phone. I'm not saying he does or doesn't have bpd, was just setting out how I saw him ad fitting with the criteria! I'm not minimizing his issues, I have acknowledged the points made here and earlier emailed dp (since I wont see him tonight) to set out my reasons for thinking we have both failed to treat his issues with the urgency they deserve and that we need to go to the gp and insist in his referral to a psychiatrist. But as for getting the dcs out of his care immediately, this simply is not possible. I work full time, we don't have anyone who could offer free babysitting, and no cash for childminders. I really am doing my best to do the right thing.

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snowiswhite · 20/08/2014 18:27

This will be shirt as on my phone. I'm not saying he does or doesn't have bpd, was just setting out how I saw him ad fitting with the criteria! I'm not minimizing his issues, I have acknowledged the points made here and earlier emailed dp (since I wont see him tonight) to set out my reasons for thinking we have both failed to treat his issues with the urgency they deserve and that we need to go to the gp and insist in his referral to a psychiatrist. But as for getting the dcs out of his care immediately, this simply is not possible. I work full time, we don't have anyone who could offer free babysitting, and no cash for childminders. I really am doing my best to do the right thing.

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Thenapoleonofcrime · 20/08/2014 18:50

Snow I would suggest you marshal help around you more than contact your husband. I'm not sure, given his history, he is best placed to act in yours and his best interests here. I would get him a private consultation if you can't get the GP to refer or don't want to wait the NHS times, in fact I would definitely do that as a first step, it is often cheaper than you think (we paid £100 odd to see a different type of specialist for a first consultation) and you can rejoin the NHS system at a different point (e.g. for treatment). I would tell your friend- get advice from them. I would also flag up to your family that you are having some difficulties and may need their support- can they practically help you in any way?

Identity disturbance is about not having a solid sense of self, which can lead people to either be very different with different people or to give people what they think they want. It is associated with very low self-esteem.

I would be concerned that if your husband thinks his world is collapsing in, or that you are about to leave him, he might get very stressed/act differently/think strangely- and this could be a risk to you. I know you don't think he poses any risk, but I just feel uncomfortable hearing about all the bizarre things he has done over the years; they were not rational or sensible and I would worry about his likely response. You've said if you challenge him, he denies things and then argues. This is a way from keeping you from challenging him about his lies, and I would again be concerned that if you start challenging him much more, you will find his behaviour will change quite dramatically.

To sum it up- I am worried! This does not sound ok to me.

Thenapoleonofcrime · 20/08/2014 18:57

I guess what I'm trying to say is that given he doesn't know what is reality and what is fantasy and given he lies as much as tells the truth, his superdad persona may just collapse if you give it a little prod. If it doesn't, and he really has found himself in this role, then that will continue whether you are living with him or not, as he will continue as a dad to the children.

thestamp · 20/08/2014 19:14

^ agree with napoleon that trying to communicate about this with DP is not actually the best course of action.

i would book a private appt, let him know you've booked it because you've been worried about him lately, and then take him along to the appt. keep it completely benign and low-pressure, don't go into detail, don't encourage him to think about things, etc.

he needs to be kept on an even keel and not be challenged too much right now. at least not until you have professional support in place.

i know i sound alarmist and pushy, i am just acutely aware that this situation can lurch into an acute crisis before you've even got a chance to address it. am concerned for you and especially the children.

thestamp · 20/08/2014 19:16

i wonder if you shouldn't actually ring Mind. 0300 123 3393

www.mind.org.uk/information-support/

i urge you to get as much help and support as you can. talking to your colleague can't hurt either.

PinkGrapefruitAndCucumber · 20/08/2014 19:44

Wow. Shock

How headwrecking. I wouldn't be able for it.

shaska · 20/08/2014 20:44

Hello OP. I've been reading and feeling like I don't have much to add except I think you're incredibly brave, but I did see something that stuck out just now:

"2. A pattern of unstable and intense interpersonal relationships characterised by alternating between extremes of idealisation and devaluation - well, maybe, but I wonder whether I might be shoehorning him into this description. He has very often been very critical of me throughout our relationship, to the point where I have asked him why he is with me since he doesn't seem to think I have any redeeming qualities! But at the same time he sometimes seems to think he's not worthy of me, etc."

What you have described here, with the addition of the part in your OP where you said at first you seemed like utter soulmates etc - this, to me, is EXACTLY what this point is saying. i.e, rather than shoehorning him in, this fits, from what you've said, your partner to an absolute T.

It worries me a little that you don't really see that, and I wonder if he has maybe more of a hold on you than even you think?

I do think you urgently need to speak to someone who can support you in real life - the mind helpline seemed a good idea, or perhaps your GP. Someone who can have the situation explained to them in full and be on your side moving forward, because this really, really is too much for you to handle alone.

scarletforya · 20/08/2014 21:53

I wouldn't waste too much time speculating about possible diagnoses. It's all academic anyway, leave to it to the doctors.

You Op need to distance yourself from this mess start directing your resources, towards your children.

Also, yourself you need to start thinking critically, not emotionally. Stop taking anything your husband says at face value. Observe what is going on then what is being said. In reality, you know little about your husband and it doesn't really matter.

He might have a personality disorder, he might be a conman. I seriously doubt he has a rare dissociative identity disorder though. You'll find it hard to get two psychiatrists to agree on whether that exists at all.

Twinklestein · 20/08/2014 22:14

I seriously doubt he has a rare dissociative identity disorder though

Dissociative states are fairly common across mental illnesses and personality disorders as I have said.

Dissociative identity disorder, otherwise known as multiple personality disorder, but also seen as adjunct to BPD, is indeed very rare and controversial, doesn't sound like it's an issue here, not that anyone can tell from the net. And I'm not a psychiatrist anyway.

thestamp · 20/08/2014 22:26

yes, it's the symptom of dissociation that is worrisome. as a symptom, dissociation can be a sign of a clutch of named disorders. the controversial diagnosis of "dissociative disorder" is another kettle of fish altogether, but the symptom of dissociation isn't uncommon and is uncontroversial.

the issue with the symptom of dissociation, though, regardless of why the person is having them (i.e. what they are ill with) is that one can end up doing absolutely bizarre things, things that are completely out of character, frightening or even dangerous.

for example a person who is experiencing dissociation can find themselves in a new environment and have no idea how they got there. like they can suddenly "come to" and realise they are in a pub/crack den/library/police station/home/random alleyway. and not have a clue how they got there.

you can imagine that if there are small children involved, this can become incredibly dangerous. a person who has periods of dissociation can't take care of small children. not without support, regular debriefing, daily checks via phone at the very least, etc.

YoBitch · 20/08/2014 22:41

OP I wonder if you might have got what you need from this thread for the time being. you seem to have made some decisions regarding gaining more advice on his diagnosis which I think is wise - plus I think opening up to a friend, be it a psychiatrist or not, is very a positive thing to do for yourself. I'm sure even just writing down your thoughts has helped you to clarify your feelings, and once you have had time to think about the situation further you can always come back and discuss it again.