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Can't work out how I feel about my bizarre relationship (long, sorry)

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snowiswhite · 19/08/2014 14:00

Have changed my name for this post. I don't really know where to start with this, and I fear it could turn out to be far too long, so will try to keep it as concise as possible (which isn't very). Apologies in advance if I leave out too many details.

Me and DP have been together since 2005. We have DD and DS, aged 4 and nearly 3. I fell head over heels for DP very shortly after meeting him: it really seemed we were soul mates, and I was sincerely convinced for many years that it was very, very rare for a couple to love each other as much as we loved each other.

Shortly after meeting DP, I received an email from someone I didn't know, warning me that DP was a liar and that I should check everything. It was a strange email in that there was info in there that could only have come from someone who had been spying on our instant messenger conversations and emails. To cut a long story short, it turned out to be from DP's ex-girlfriend, who somehow had gained access to his emails etc. She had used a fake name to send me the email. All in all, she hadn't given me any reason to believe she was a reliable source of information, and I dismissed her (after an angsty conversation with DP).

Over the next 6.5 years, I could never shake the sense that DP was lying to me - about everything. This seemed so implausible to me at the time - after all, who (outside of a soap opera) would lie about everything? - that I dismissed it, and attributed this feeling to the fact that DP's ex had written me that strange email near the start of our relationship. We went on to live together, to get engaged, and to have DD and DS.

To cut a very long story short(ish), it turned out that he was indeed lying to me about literally everything. The most shocking lie was pretending to be terminally ill for several years starting from around the time DD was conceived in early 2009 - even going as far to get a scar tattooed on. Aside from that, he would lie about our finances (I no longer had a bank account (because he saw to it, I later realised) and he pretended he was wealthy when in fact we were on benefits), his intentions to marry me (he 'made' literally hundreds of appointments for us to have a no-frills reg office wedding, all of which were cancelled due to unforeseen aspects of his 'treatment' - it later emerged that he was still married to his ex wife), and he borrowed £1000s from my family despite having no way of repaying them.

Throughout all this, I suspected him constantly, but dismissed my suspicions for various reasons. Partly it was because the lies simply didn't make sense: I was working on the assumption that if someone lies to you, it's because they stand to gain something by doing so, and as far as I could see, he stood to gain nothing (quite the reverse in many cases). Partly it was because, as mentioned above, I was afraid that I was being unduly influenced by his ex's email. And partly because, when you think the love of your life is dying, you are afraid that your mind is playing tricks on you: of course you would prefer to believe that they have made up their illness, because that would be preferable to them dying, so that is a reason to dismiss your suspicion that they aren't really ill.

So, fast forward to mid-2012. DD is 2.5 and DS is nearly a year old. For nearly 2 years, we have been living rent-free (or, rather, on DP's constant promise of paying rent) in a totally unsuitable and frankly dangerous-for-kids annex of the home of some lovely relatives of mine. I had not gone back to work after DD was born, and spent my days at home, in the middle of nowhere, with no car, no bank account, 2 small kids to look after, while DP goes out every single day for hospital treatment. All I would do with my life, every day, is feed the kids and take them out for walks. Almost every day I am expecting that we are going to have our no-frills wedding, and every time I hope that this time it will go ahead, but DP calls with some reason why it has had to be cancelled. And almost every day I am expecting that today, finally, after a zillion hiccups, our joint bank account will finally be sorted out and we can get access to DP's massive savings and repay my relatives the money we owe them - but this never happens (N.B. I am not mercenary, I didn't care about living the high life, I just wanted a normal life and not to be in debt to my relatives). Writing all this is making my chest constrict, and maybe you can imagine the enormous stress I was under. It was really difficult to cope with all this, but 'knowing' that DP had a far more difficult battle to fight (i.e. his illness) made me feel guilty for worrying about my own troubles.

Anyway, in mid-2012, DP's excuses and stories started to build up to the extent that they become really quite implausible, and DP himself was starting to behave more erratically, presumably with the stress of keeping all the lies going. Even so, it was only after a long conversation with one of my relatives that I started to confront the possibility that DP was lying about his illness. (An aside: by this point, everyone else in my family had worked out he was lying, but they never said anything about it to me. Either they felt awkward about it or they thought I had access to more information to support my belief in him. But the fact that they all seemed to believe him itself made me think he must be telling the truth, and made me feel guilty for doubting him.) I spoke to DP on the phone - he'd gone to the hospital (or rather pretended to) as usual - and I gently asked him if he was really ill, and that maybe the problem was psychological rather than physical. Immediately he admitted it, if 'admitted' is the right term (given that, as I'll explain, he had trouble distinguishing lies from reality) - he said something like, 'yes, maybe you're right'.

From here, it's quite difficult to explain. It has turned out not to be a case of him consciously and maliciously deciding to lie. He genuinely seemed to have come to believe his own lies. I went to the GP with him and he was referred for a mental health assessment, and diagnosed with dissociative disorder, depression, and anxiety. He had large gaps in his memory and seemed not very capable of distinguishing reality from the fantasy he had invented. Over the months and years since (yes, we are still together), it has turned out that some very awful things have happened to him, and that he has been lying about things since childhood as a way to make himself feel better about himself and more important than he believes he is (he basically believes he is worthless). I think that he has been lying so long that lying comes as naturally to him as telling the truth does to the rest of us, and so it is very difficult for him to stop: much of the time, the decision to lie isn't a conscious choice.

He genuinely struggles wiith this and tries his best to get better. He has taken all the help he has been offered in terms of counselling - which isn't very much, and in my non-professional opinion he hasn't been offered the right sort of thing (basically he sees a counsellor and talks about his past, whereas I think he should be having something like CBT that would focus on getting him to stop lying, which is the root of all our problems). When I realised that we were penniless and on benefits, I saw that I would need to go back to work. I am very highly qualified but work in an extremely competitive industry where jobs are hard to come by. We lived in a shitty council flat, on benefits, for a year while I worked every spare waking minute at trying to get back to work, and eventually I did get a job. Last autumn we moved out of the shitty council estate and into a privately rented house in a nicer area.

My family, understandably, want little to do with DP after all this came out. However, whereas people tended to assume that he'd just leave after he'd been rumbled, he has not. While I've been working, he has tirelessly been a full-time dad. He is a wonderful father: far more patient than me, he adores our children and fills their days with fun things: they have planted flowers in the garden together, learned to ride bikes, etc, and he is involved with their pre-school as a committee member. At the same time he keeps our home in order, does all our grocery shopping, cleans and does the washing, etc. His only 'me time' without the kids are a night in the pub once a week with some friends who know nothing about his strange history (he doesn't get drunk, and doesn't drink much in general), and playing sport once a week during the summer. I am not trying to paint a romantic picture of him here - what I am trying to do is make the point that, whilst the lying etc might make it easy to view him as a villain, he has done his utmost to do the right thing since the problem has been identified.

The problem, though, is that he does still lie sometimes. I can't trust him not to. Sometimes he will admit it out of the blue, without me having pressured him to tell the truth, and he will be full of remorse. But sometimes when he lies, I know he is lying, but he won't admit it - and maybe can't admit it. He is not getting the right sort of mental health help to stop this, and we can't afford private treatment at the moment. And I'm left feeling that I'm dealing with it alone ... I don't really discuss it with people, and about a year ago he admitted it to his mum (which was a big deal because his mum has been through hell for various reasons recently, so he'd put off telling her). I was so pleased when he told his mum because I thought I'd have someone to talk to about it, but it hasn't worked out like that. His mum said she just needed time to digest it, then she and I would have a proper talk. But it's never happened. In the year since she found out, she's visited various family members who needed her help with various things, but she still hasn't tried to get to grips with what DP has been doing. And whilst I konw it must be upsetting for her, it also makes me see that maybe this is why DP is the way he is - he certainly doesn't seem high up her list of priorities. I feel like I've just been left holding the baby, so to speak: I'm dealing with it alone.

I never tell anyone about this. When the lies came to light, I had various friends who believed that DP was seriously ill, so I did tell them the truth in order to put them right. I rarely see them and they don't ask me about DP, perhaps understandably (what would they say?!). Everyone else - e.g. people I work with - just thinks we are a normal couple. I feel a bit like I lead a double life.

And now, I don't know whether I want this any more. I'm so tired of it all. I will always love DP, and I think he is a wonderful father, but the head-over-heels aspect of my feelings for him have gone, and I don't know if they'll come back. It's like the person I loved never existed, and whilst in the early days I was desperate to get that person back, I've sort of given up now. I know he still lies, and I really don't want it to be my problem any more - I don't want to live like this, with the stress of not being able to trust him. But, at the same time, I sort of can't imagine life without him. The children adore him. I care deeply for him and want to help him get better - I think he deserves to get better, he certainly struggles so hard with everything. I don't know what I want.

Complicating my feelings is the thought that, even if I did want out, I don't know how to get out. We live in a very expensive part of the country, and if we broke up we would have to pay for 2 households on my salary. I'm nearly 40, and hoping to buy a house in a year, otherwise I'll be too old to get a mortgage. DP could work, but we'd have to pay for childcare in that case, so wouldn't necessarily be better off. DP has occasionally said that we're not a normal couple and that if I want he will move out and find somewhere alone (presumably a crappy council bedsit), but still come over every day and look after the children. This itself breaks my heart ... his self-esteem is so low that it wouldn't even enter his head to fight for the children to live with him. He believes he deserves so little.

I have sort of lost track of what I was even wanting to ask with this post. I guess I just want to tell someone my story so that maybe, in the discussion that follows (if anyone has read this far!) I might get some clarity to my feelings.

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velourvoyageur · 19/08/2014 22:19

This man has gone to the length of tattooing a scar on his body so I think putting together a fake letter is really not too much of a stretch of the imagination.

Jesus, yes. My ex showed me numerous letters he'd faked to cover up more lies he'd told other people. Stuff like, not wanting to tell his parents he'd failed uni exams and needed to sit retakes - so he faked a letter from a senior professor in his department all about how he'd been selected for a special summer program (!), so his parents would pay for his travel costs and not ask him questions etc. He was very proud of it all Hmm he seemed to think he had no safe place where he could be a normal, very flawed human being- but that can easily be a sign of a very narcissistic outlook on life, which you don't need to and, dare I say, probably shouldn't support.

Sorry, that's just a rant really. It's of course more likely that it's a real letter from the NHS to your husband. But all the same, you might want to protect yourself by not believing what you've been told.

FunkyBoldRibena · 19/08/2014 22:22

Your 4 year old daughter is highly articulate, and so because she hasn't expressed any signs of goings on you are confident that all is ok, when it took you, with an email telling you to look into things, 6.5 years to actually work out something was wrong. You are relying on a 4yr old here? Honestly?

Just for comparison, I was abandoned by my father. In 1973. Aged 6. No contact apart from one email about 9 years ago which said he decided it would be better if he just left me to get on with my life. Honest to goodness, this is not a normal reaction to abandonment.

I quite frankly am astounded that you believe anything at all, from the letter to the diagnosis and you still have unanswered questions eg his source of income. I am trying to be as nice as possible as I think this has affected you in very deep ways, but wake up and smell the coffee love.

Just when you think you have read it all on here, someone comes and sideswipes you.

crispandfruity · 19/08/2014 22:33

Number one, you can not use this man for childcare. Buying a house vs exposing your kids to a man who pretended to be terminally ill? No brainer.

Number two, my father abandoned me in 1975. I have never lied about stuff to get attention.

Number three, the ex who emailed you years ago. Have you ever spoken to her?

SolomanDaisy · 19/08/2014 22:34

The thing that strikes me from your posts is that you have lost sight of how very unusual what you are living with is. You seem to want to believe things he says which are quite unlikely to be true, about his previous family, his diagnosis etc.. I think you really do need to seek counselling for yourself. Staying in a 'relationship' with a man you don't really know or trust, who may or may not have a very serious psychiatric condition, who may or may not be damaging your children, is not a healthy reaction.

frames · 19/08/2014 22:38

snow... I don't know what to say...I am a great believer that we leave when we are ready....and I came to that point in my own time. I would urge you to really consider it. Seriously.

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buttonortwo · 19/08/2014 23:08

You can't work out how you feel.. Therefore take some time and space to get perspective. I'd say separate, doesn't have to be permanent, counselling for yourself. You're intelligent, I think you'll get out of it when you're ready..

scarletforya · 20/08/2014 07:58

'Dissociative identity disorder' and 'Dissociative disorder' are controversial diagnoses even amongst psychiatrists.

I read somewhere that it's one of the most commonly faked 'disorders' amongst criminals. Amnesia being a particularly handy element of it for them.

A gateway worker can't diagnose mental health illness. Only a psychiatrist can.

I think he's a plain old liar.

halfwildlingwoman · 20/08/2014 08:17

He does sound more as if he has a personality disorder rather than a mental illness.
My cousin is like this. He is impossible to live with.
I'm so sorry, I think you have to find a way to leave him.
Buying a house isn't a priority. Keeping your children safe and functional is. You can do this, you can support the family alone.

gottafindaman4yagirl · 20/08/2014 08:50

Snow,

Your story shows what a caring person you are but sometimes you have to take control of your life and stop trying to fix another person. I understand how gut wrenching it is to think back to the begging of a relationship when love was there and your memories of a partner that does not match the man you know now.

My ex had mental health problems which the doctors still cant fix, I didn't find out about it until I was head over heels in love and pregnant, I tried to find ways to fix him and ended up frustrated and lost the person I was.

I made the very hard choice to end the relationship and lessen the burden I was carrying. I am a happier person now and ex is still in my life but at arms length.

I am still friends with ex and I do offer a ear for his problems and care about him but splitting up has given me back my mental health and life feels lighter.

Your situation is very difficult and you seem to be a very strong woman to deal with all this the way you have.

Who is supporting you, who takes care of you?

snowiswhite · 20/08/2014 09:10

Thank you very much everyone. This discussion is really helping me clarify some thoughts. There are things that I have got used to which I shouldn't have got used to, which I'm able to identify with the help of your comments. E.g. those of you who have pointed out that I have come to see it as normal that I can't take anything DP tellls me on trust are absolutely right. TBH this is truly exhausting, and whilst I was aware of this (it's one of the reasons I am thinking of ending things) you have helped throw it into stark relief as an urgent thing that needs fixing.

It's really helpful, too, to hear that other people have been in roughly similar situations and have got through them. Sometimes it feels that there is nobody else who lives like this, and I have felt this way for years now.

Agree that DP's diagnosis needs revisiting, although I don't really want to get into speculating about what might be wrong with him. I will contact my psychiatrist friend to arrange to discuss this, and take whatever advice I am given ... hopefully there might be some useful suggestion about how DP can best access help. I do know that I can't fix him and that he is not really my problem anyway, but he is my children's father, and I owe it to them to help him. Plus, as is probably obvious, I love and care for him deeply and don't want to abandon him (which is not to say I will continue living with him).

Someone asked if I was simply relying on my 4-year-old daughter to find out whether DP is looking after the DCs properly and not lying to them. The answer is no, not at all - this was just an off-hand remark about how I would think it likely that she would mention any very strange behaviour to me. DP has been looking after the kids full-time since October 2012. For a full year after that, I was working every waking minute trying to get a job and then (after I got one) working at home. By 'working' I mean I shut myself in the bedroom with my laptop. I have witnessed how he is with them over all that time. He didn't get a day off, he was quite desperately unhappy for a lot of that time but he is endlessly patient with them (well, maybe not 'endlessly', but he is far more reasonable and less shouty than I ever manage to be) and imaginative about finding things to do with them on no money. Since October 2013, when we moved closer to my workplace, I have been going out to work full time. But having witnessed first-hand his ability to care for my children, I don't have worries there. Even so, as I said upthread, I accept that I should get advice on this.

I am absolutely not willing to jeopardise our chances to save for a deposit to buy a house by living separately from DP quite yet. I sympathise with the points like, 'getting your kids away from him is more important than buying a house', but I am absolutely not going to pass up this chance to give my DCs more security. This is kind of off-topic, but since living in our current home since last October, and despite being model tenants, I have been harrassed by our idiot landlords (they changed their minds about wanting to rent their house for 12 months then threw their toys out the pram when I refused to move out at my own expense after 6 months) and have had to get the police involved. We are having to move after a year in our home, so more stress, time off work, letting agency fees, and removal costs - and all at a time when I will be applying for DS's school place so we are limited by catchment area (it would be a nightmare if he didn't get into the same school as DD). Plus, there is lots wrong with the house that the letting agent refuses to do anything about, because they're not absolutely essential and he isn't legally oblige to do it. I am not having this sort of insecurity. I want a secure home for me and the DCs where they can have their own bedrooms and not face being booted out after 12 months, and a nest egg for their future. Sorry for that little rant - the accommodation situation is causing me huge stress at the moment!

Nobody 'takes care' of me. I am pretty introverted. I never talk to anyone about this, ever. I very rarely see friends. I take care of myself. Yes, I know that's probably not very healthy.

I feel like I might sound a bit stroppy in this response - I hope not! I really do appreciate every comment here, it is all helping with getting my own thoughts in order.

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OhMyArsingGodInABox · 20/08/2014 09:30

You wouldn't be any worse off separately.

You would probably be better off. As a single parent you may be entitled to tax credits and help with childcare costs. He would certainly be entitled to benefits and help with rebt as he is unemployed, if he didn't live with you.

He could still do the childcare (although I didn't think he should) if he lived away from you.

Do you mind saying how much (ballpark) you earn?

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OhMyArsingGodInABox · 20/08/2014 09:32

To be blunt, you won't have security for you and the dc even if you buy a house, because living with this man is causing you insecurity. He could remortgage your house without your knowledge, run up debts, end up in prison for fraud, any one of a number of likely scenarios.

CalamityKate1 · 20/08/2014 10:01

You sound lovely but FFS stop going on about his "diagnosis". You know as well as anyone that he hasn't got one. He's just a liar and you need to get him away from your kids.

The fact that you can still say you love him would suggest you need some sort of help yourself.

Twinklestein · 20/08/2014 10:01

My feeling OP, is that you are trying to minimise his mental health problems, and trying desperately hard to forge a normal family life with someone with who will never, ever be normal.

The fact that you cannot trust a word he says is not fixable as you seem to believe. Lies are so much part of his language that he may not be able to stop. And if there is any psychotic element to his illness, he may genuinely not be able to tell true from false, reality from fantasy.

I really do not think you can rely on a 4 year old to tell you if he behaves strangely. She is too young to know what strange is, and she's too young to know if he lies to her. She may already pick up on his vulnerability and she may cover up for him, as she might do a pet who's been naughty.

I'm not really sure why you're so determined to forge a life with someone who is so broken, who will never be a partner in an equal relationship. You are his carer and his parent. The question is not whether you love him, but whether this can ever work.

Serenitysutton · 20/08/2014 10:05

I was thinking this earlier. It's sneaky, underhand and unethical. But... Well.

Why don't you stick to things they way they are for the year it will take you to save the deposit. Buy the house in your name (won't be hard as he has no income) then you can decide whether you want to stay together. You've got an end date, you've got a plan, and you've also got a way to get the security you need.

TheWordFactory · 20/08/2014 10:08

OP, long term relationships can weather many storms, providing there is trust. This is the bed rock of any marriage.

You cannot trust your partner. You know this in your heart.

It seems to me that you want it so much that you are ignoring some pretty obvious lies here. And some pretty obvious dangers to your children.

This is natural. Who would wish to admit it?

However, by not admitting these things, you are essentially colluding in his fantasies.

You can't package tings up as neatly as both he and you seem to want to. In tis package he is a brilliant SAHD, but in this package he has so little grip on relaity that he tattoos a scar to prentend he's dying!

SirRaymondClench · 20/08/2014 10:10

Two things about what you've said Op, well one is an observation and the other a question.

He had a tattoo of a scar. That took research, planning and the consciousness to deceive so he isn't as lost in his make believe world as he makes out. He knew what he was doing.

You say he kept 'organising' a wedding but then it turned out he was still married to his ex. If she remarried this bloke she ran off with, there must have been a divorce, therefore contact between them to get divorced, or is she a bigamist?

I knew someone like your OH. He cheated on his wife right up until (and after) their wedding day with a variety of women and always blamed his incessant lies on his childhood. Seems to be a pattern for these types of men - Keiran Hayler anyone?
You are an articulate, intelligent woman and you deserve a happy life.
Please do not try and rescue this man any more.

ChangelingToday · 20/08/2014 10:19

Can you relocate to a part of the country that has a cheaper standard of living? I definitely believe you need to separate from this man for you and your children's sake.

mamadoc · 20/08/2014 10:20

I am a psychiatrist.
Obviously I am not going to diagnose someone 2nd hand over the internet as that would be very wrong but. I do urge you to seek a re-referral to a psychiatrist and insist on accompanying him to appointments. You need his permission to do this but he really ought to agree. A one off private appointment would probably be affordable and might be very useful especially if it was with a specialist.

If someone I know through work wanted to talk to me privately about a situation like this I would advise them very much as I'm doing for you here. I could discuss it a bit in general terms but ultimately I'm always going to say that they need to seek a proper referral.

A gateway worker will be a CPN, OT or social worker. Their purpose is to screen out people with low level problems and to refer others on for specialist help. I don't think their 'diagnosis' can be relied on for something like this. Dissociative disorder is a rare and controversial diagnosis and usually associated with other problems rather than being the whole explanation.

The fact he is primary carer for your children should have triggered a risk assessment although it may be he does not pose any risk to them it is something that should be monitored. I'm sure that physically it's ok but longer term psychological impact on them may be negative. They need you to protect them from that. He does not sound capable of making normal psychological relationships and that will apply to them as much as anyone else.

It does sound unlikely that he has anything requiring medication. Personality disorder sounds the most likely diagnosis probably borderline type. This is not easily curable or treatable although progress can be made with long term psychotherapy. He needs either a consultant psychiatrist in psychotherapy or a senior psychologist and long term input. There might be a need for couple or family psychotherapy in future. CBT and other short term therapies are not suitable for this severity of problem. There will be no quick fix.

Bottom line he will always have serious problems and your relationship will likely never be 'normal'. You should not be proceeding on a basis that in a few years it will all come right.
You are right that it will affect him negatively if you leave him (fear of abandonment is classic of BPD) but that doesn't mean you shouldn't do it as you have yourself and more importantly your kids to think of.
A situation where you live separately and you are primary carer but he has access sounds workable. I think that with his MH Hx he is not likely to get residence even 50:50.

If I were you I would either ask the GP for a re-referral requesting to see a psychiatrist to clarify diagnosis and prognosis or I would ask to have an joint appointment with the therapist he is currently seeing. When you know what the diagnosis is and what the future prospects are you can be clearer on what you should do.

daddyorchipsdaddyorchips · 20/08/2014 12:14

I do not think you should trust your judgement of him being safe to be the children's main care giver or of him not having a more serious diagnosis.

You sound quite sane and highly intelligent, but this man duped you for almost a decade. Your judgement of him, about him, about his state of mind and his fitness as a parent is not to be trusted.

You both need professional help and you need to make your children safe. Pronto.

snowiswhite · 20/08/2014 12:33

Thanks, again, to everyone. I only have a few minutes for this response. I want to say that I don't think I am unrealistic about the possibility that DP will get 'back to normal'. I'm just trying to see a way forward, keeping in mind that it is more than likely that I will decide it is best if we live separately.

Thanks especially to mamadoc. I know I can't expect a psychiatrist to diagnose DP second-hand based on my accounts, but my reasons for wanting to discuss him with a psychiatrist is to work out whether his existing diagnosis is reliable and how best we can get the right help within our health authority.

I have a copy of DSM-5 on my desk and immediately looked up personality disorders. I almost burst into tears when I read (in the diagnostic criteria for borderline) 'frantic efforts to avoid real or imagined abandonment'. He has always explained his behaviour by saying it was designed to keep me with him, and when I've asked why he thinks I'll leave he has said things like 'everyone always does'. (This isn't true - I've pointed out that he left some of his relationships but he is quite dismissive of this.) Suicidal behaviour also fits - he has talked before of fantasising about committing suicide but has said he has never felt a strong urge to go through with it. BPD would include his dissociative symptoms too. SOme elements of paranoid personality disorder also fit, e.g. his habit of construing my behaviour (and that of others) in ways that contains hidden criticisms of him.

Mamadoc, I don't mean to sound as if I'm asking you to confirm a diagnosis here! I'm really just sounding off. It is odd: it would be sort of a relief if there was a name for his condition, even though nobody would choose for their partner to have a personality disorder. But it would at least stop me feeling like I'm the only person in the world to be living like this.

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antimatter · 20/08/2014 13:23

I want to say that I don't think I am unrealistic about the possibility that DP will get 'back to normal'. I'm just trying to see a way forward, keeping in mind that it is more than likely that I will decide it is best if we live separately.

the only way forward is one you have some control of

you have no control over dh's behaviour and thoughts

he is still lying to you, as much as he can get away with

he calculated that if he is sahd he can survive which he has for the past 2 years

if you can imagine try to see your kids having problems with trusting anyone in relationships because their father is now lying to them
thinking that he isn't is your way of not knowing whether he does

Thenapoleonofcrime · 20/08/2014 14:40

mamadoc has given you the correct advice, he needs to be seen possibly privately by a consultant psychiatrist. The idea of personality disorder, borderline in particular also popped into my head, but I am not a psychiatrist and this is just a passing thought, and not again a diagnosis (his original 'diagnosis' is just not a firm diagnosis whatsoever).

If that is the case, you need to get out. He is not going to change, and the quality of the relationships with his children will be affected. This may be far less the case when they are little and need cuddles and nose-wiping, but children don't stay little, they grown up and ask difficult questions and learn to spot lies and feel terrible that their dad isn't quite who he says he is or hasn't the past he has said. Instability is the worst thing about having a parent with mh issues.

I think you are really misguided to put having a mortgage above your children's mental security and wellbeing. I rent, so what? It's really not the end of the world. You need to create a secure environment for you and your family, I think you sound lovely and articulate, but as everyone has said you have normalized the abnormal. I wouldn't do this any longer, I think you will pay a heavy price, personally and as a family.

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