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Dating thread 79

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louby44 · 13/08/2014 16:47

Wow! 79 already...

Welcome to all daters, new, experienced or tearing your hair out at the frustration!

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MadeMan · 18/08/2014 19:01

Rose it might be possible that someone isn't logging out of POF properly and so the cookies are still on their phone, making them appear still logged in or something. Computer browsers generally seem to delete cookies when closed, but I'm not sure about mobile phones and tablets, particularly if they are left on all the time.

If people aren't using the "signing out" link on a website, could they still be logged in on a phone? I have to manually delete cookies on my phone; I don't think it deletes them for me.

Roseflowers · 18/08/2014 19:07

Well, he's not constantly appearing as 'online now', it's the case that when I go into my list of favourites it shows the last time they were logged on. He's popping up at various points throughout the day as having been online e.g. the last time was about 3pm today, when I had a look this morning it was 2am last night etc. I'm incredibly suspicious, if he's going to lie to me and say he isn't doing it anymore when he blatantly is, he's gotta go :(

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Roseflowers · 18/08/2014 19:13

Nope, I'm using the basic pc website, can't use the app anymore as my iphone has gone kaput! No upgrade. If he was constantly logged in through the app would it show him as being online at very specific times though e.g. 3.45pm, then 4.30pm etc like it is when I visit the website?

MadeMan · 18/08/2014 19:19

I'm just wondering Rose whether there's an option to automatically login in the app (like in Playstation Network and similar) and if he has this enabled it could account for random showings up online if he accidently opens the app.

I'm not trying to make excuses, but there seem to be a lot of ways to store passwords and data on things now for quickness and convenience (very unsecure too if you lose your phone).

Pinklaydee1302 · 18/08/2014 19:20

Rose I think you are right he is going online, could be just to check his messages but if he has said he wouldn't then I'd just ask him to delete his profile if it bothers you that much.

Single I agree what Rose said that if he's into you he will text and at least reassure you.

Jarlin yes I know what you mean about not being ready..I was like that after mr kids and I split and sadly up until yesterday nobody compared Hmm

My new guy Mr Swoon and I have been chatting n I asked what he wanted to get from online dating. He said if he meets his ideal woman then great but if not and a bit of fun is there he'll take that too....not sure which camp he's put me in if any at all!

MadeMan · 18/08/2014 19:20

Crossposted with Rose's above post.

Vintagecrap · 18/08/2014 19:22

Hi

Back to impart some experience of OD, like i said, sadly more extensive experience than i might wish it to be, however, i have learnt a lot, both about other people, and myself through it, so, though sometimes it might feel like theres no point, there usually is something to learn from the situation, so, hang on in there.

The most important thing to remember is ' people lie on the internet'
they lie not only about height and jobs, which are superficial things, but also about their intentions. Just because someone says they want a relationship, does not mean that they actually do, or that they want one with you.

Google is your friend, google their user name, their name, check FB, the number of shit situations i have not had to go through from doing this, is more than you might think.

Theres this whole ' dont assume you are in a relationship' thing, where you are meant to pretend you dont care that they are online and dating other women, unntil one of you brings it up. Have to say, if a man is interested, he makes it very clear. Ive never known anyone whos got into a relationship from OD, where the man was back online the same night or the next day talking to other women. If a man likes you, he lets you know, there are no games, its easy. If its making you feel uneasy, crap, doubting yourself, then its not worth it. Listen to your gut

Now, there are lots of types f guys out there, thats ignoring the spambots ( fake profiles set up, with employees of the company, to talk to people to keep them on site, higher percentage than you might think) The married ones who will only reply during working hours and not at weekends.
If they have no picture, its 99% likely to be because they are married.
There are the ones who just want sex, who will pretend to be into you, will be full on in terms of messages, wanting to meet quickly. Be careful with these ones, its easy to think they like you.

There are the ones who get talking sex before you meet, or get overly flirty, dont meet them unless you are after a one night thing yourself.

There are the ones that ask you out, then just vanish. Again, most likely married or just a marid of reasons that are nothing to do with you. Lots of men/people do online dating because they are bored, its easy, but when faced with the prospect of an actual date, cant go through with it.

Avoid anyone who will make vague date plans with you, but nothing solid. if they cant make a date to meet you, whats the point. Ive had loads who have said ' this weekend' and then you ask when and they say not sure, so you leave it with them, and then nothing happens and they message you a few days later, you ask what happened and they say it was yourfault or some shit. Its not. If a man wants to see you, he will organise it.

Also avoid anyone who just wants you to come along when hes out on the piss with his mates. This is not a date, this is not even a booty call. I dont even know what it is, other than crap.

Steer clear or anyone recently single, who mentions their ex a lot. They are on the rebound and its likely you will get hurt. They will tell you they are over it and ready to move on, but it couldnt be further from the truth

Anyone that wants your FB, twitter, instagram/ etc etc, before you have met, avoid. Too full on, usually turn out a bit stalkery and possesive.

there are men online who have profiles on there as women ( one confessed this to me) and there are women who have fake profiles as men, be careful. Google search the image.

Avoid anyone whos not actually making conversation with you, if its hard work, then they arent going to be better face to face.

Mostly though, if you talk to people for long enough, maybe 2 weeks or so, it gives them enough time to hang themselves if they are going to. If you meet too soon you run the risk of not knowing enough about them and getting a nasty surprise ( ive been there more times than i should admit) and if you leave it too long you risk it being built up into something its not.

Mostly though, thikn about what you want, and whats important to you. Its really easy when you are dating to get caught in a ' what are they looking for, am i good enough, what are they thinking' type thing, when really it should be the other way round. A man should be on his best behavior when hes first with you. If hes not and things make you feel uncomfortable, listen to your gut and act on it.

Change your profile photo regularly, update what you have as your profile, try and show your personality rather than ' i like wine and watching a film'

Hope thats been of some help?

gottafindaman4yagirl · 18/08/2014 19:25

Singlesock, one thing I will say is that men are not great when communicating and even after 12 years with my ex husband, I would send a long text and he would message back ok.....it really gave me the hump but it was his way. If your date is interested then he should ask you out again, seems my last date is good at texting but is a lying git.

Nutter bloke has just text me again, his excuse for his pof profile vanishing is that a women who is crazy keeps getting his pof profile deleted.

Can this happen, can another pof get someone's profile deleted. I saw it on there this morning and he had changed his profile saying he is a young 43 and I thought ok so he's still fishing and glam up his profile. Then for the 2nd time he vanished, maybe he dosent want me to see what he's up to.

Have not messaged him back but want to say what a load of bull.

Vintagecrap · 18/08/2014 19:26

rose, if hes online, then hes online. Sometimes with an app it might show as online for a bit longer than he actually is. But, you know what, so what. If hes told you hes coming off it, and hasnt, then hes lying. Basically you have to decide if you want someone who lies? or someone whos honest.

Turn it round to be about your wants and needs, not about his.

If i was you id leave it and keep and eye, then if hes on it again tomorrow, id dump. If takes a mere 5 mins to hide or to delete a profile, no need to keep going back on there again if hes told you otherwise.

Roseflowers · 18/08/2014 19:26

Yeah I would imagine the phone app does keep you perma-logged in, but is he really mashing his phone and accidentally opening the app multiple times a day? Doubtful....

He has said he was just 'going on POF, didn't specify if he was browsing or chatting or what. He says he's not seeing anyone else which is believable...he's been very careless with his phone when we're together, never uses it, leaves it lying about in other rooms, it rarely goes off and we were watching a film on it for a few hours the other day without him getting so much as a text or whatsapp or acting twitchy about me messing with it (can you tell I've been messed around before?)

Really appreciate the help guys, this is my first foray into online dating so its all quite alien to me!

Justatoe · 18/08/2014 19:29

Thanks Vintage it's always good to learn from the voice of experience!

MadeMan · 18/08/2014 19:30

Brilliant post, Vintage! Smile

Pinklaydee1302 · 18/08/2014 19:35

Some great advice there Vintage and I agree with most of it.

Especially the bit about if a man likes you he will make sure you know he does.

lottieandmia · 18/08/2014 19:40

Vintage - what an excellent post that is. Thanks so much for your advice. I think it would help if we could make that a sticky!

What nasty surprises did you have? Shock

gottafindaman4yagirl · 18/08/2014 19:41

Vintagecrap,

all you wrote is very interesting and rings true when i look at the dates iv had.

Got a situation at the moment with a date that is messing with me, texting me but my gut tells me, and the other ladies, that he's not all there.

Great post.

gottafindaman4yagirl · 18/08/2014 19:43

Can another pof get someone elses profile deleted if they wanted to ?

lottieandmia · 18/08/2014 19:52

POF will only delete a profile if the picture shows nudity or if the person has been abusing others on the site. So even if it is true, stay clear of him!

Vintagecrap · 18/08/2014 19:56

Theres no point rehasing the awfulness of my dating life.
I was really naive, I got married at 22 to my second boyfriend. Because im an honest person, i automatically assume that everyone else is. Im female and conditioned to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, id look for excuses for why they might be doing x or x.. rather than look at the fact that they are doing x so i should not be interested.

I believed men when they asked me out for a second date, and then never actually made that date, or said they would call me and then didnt.
Ive been stood up so many times, vanished on hundreds.

I learnt the hard way.

Dont ever invest more than you can give away.
So, if its causing you stress/ angst/ whatever, thats rarely a good thing.

Dont ever spend money on dates, that you cant afford to waste. A quick coffee on a Saturday afternoon/ sunday afternoon is best. You can wear day time clothes, avoid the whole drinking and beer goggles tihng. If the date is awful you can get out early and only be a few pounds down, but if its going well you can have another and maybe extend to dinner or a walk or something. Dont get sitters when you cant afford it, continue to put you and your children first. Any man who actually wants to meet you wont mind waiting a week while you get some childfree time.

oh, thats another one, there are a lot of men online who are looking for ' dates' and thats a date with anyone, not a date with you. They tend to ask you out early, without knowing much about you, maybe without even knowing your name. Its not romantic, its unlikely to be because they find your few replies so witty and amusing they just have to meet you. Its more likely they just want a ' hot date'. And they are the ones who will be back online before your taxi has got you home.

I hope this doesnt sound cynical. There are some nice ones out there, you just have to filter a lot.

Ive also not found any difference between paid and non paid sites. Most people are on the free ones, because they are free and will run that alongside a paid site.

Jarlin · 18/08/2014 20:23

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BeforeAndAfter · 18/08/2014 20:40

Vintage really good posts

Vintagecrap · 18/08/2014 20:52

Thanks!

Just wish I had someone to tell me this sort of stuff when I first started dating as it might have saved me a lot of wrong avenues!!

Its meant to be a fun thing, exciting, nice. The second it becomes not fun, stop. Be that a shit message, or making you feel uneasy, or making you worry with them being online and you not knowing where you stand, or a month or so in and they are being hot and cold.

Its not up to us as women to try to work out why they are doing x and to try to fix it ( this really is something most women seem to do, me included) But try to think ' well, they are doing that, its shit, so ill back off'

same with the whole texting after a date. I used to tie myself in knots after what i thought was a good date. Checking them online, checking my phone, going over everything, wondering if i should text, if i kept it bright and breezy it might remind them im fun and nice. NO. If a man wants to see you again he will contact you and arrange it, and pretty quickly too. You dont need to nudge him, he wont be too shy to ask you out again if he managed it the first time ( see how women look for reasons for behavior rather than looking at the behavior) I used to think i was cool and friendly for sending the ' hey, i had fun, lets do it again sometime' message the next day. My success rate in doing that was a big fat zero. Sometimes they would say ' sure' but then not reply when i tried to arrange something, or suddenly get ill or something.
dont text after dates, let them do it .

Sorry, i keep thinking of more stuff.

SingleSock · 18/08/2014 20:57

I feel like crap Sad. My sister is abroad and has been admitted to hospital and I'm worried sick and on top of that I can't stop analysing what Mr Tall is thinking. I know I should just end it but something is stopping me. It's like I get to the point where I think sod him and then he texts and I'm back to thinking I should just leave it a while. Someone hand me a grip please? I can't cope with my emotions today although I'm hormonal and worried about DSis Sad.