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Would anyone consider taking him back?

163 replies

parisinspring · 11/08/2014 14:27

I am so confused and wanted to get some advice from someone outside of the situation on what I should do.

I was in a long term relationship with a man who was was kind, affectionate, generous, funny, gentle, giving, supportive. He was my best friend and we had a wonderful romantic life. We were together for three years, living together for two.

He was so supportive to me in the last year when I lost my job and took 8 months to find a new one and supported me financially and emotionally through. He was also a very loving stepfather to my two children (now 8 and 10). He had his own children (now 7 and 9) who are fantastic, and I loved them as did my kids.

The only problem was his ex wife. My ex partner always put her first. He kept saying he could not risk losing his children, but it got to the point of being ridiculous and I never really said anything because I didn't want him to have to choose between me and his kids - which was how he saw it.

The ex wife lived with her new husband (who she left my ex partner for) but yet she made our lives as miserable as possible. Constantly telling my ex that he had made his children feel replaced by living with me and my kids and laying guilt on him and constantly letting us live under the threat of not being able to see the kids.

She made it impossible for us to ever go out as a couple by ensuring we had the kids every weekend and also ensuring it was not acceptable for us to get a babysitter. Things like this made it really hard for us to enjoy our lives like normal people.

It culminated in the end when she decided one of her kids was sad because she thought he had been replaced by my kids in their fathers affection (even thought he bent over backwards to make his kids feel special to the point where he favouritised them and caused arguments) and she banned her kids from seeing mine.

This went on for two months (during which time he went every weekend with his kids to his parents house) and it put a lot of strain between us.

I told him eventually that it couldn't go on like this and that he was going to have to deal with it. He told me he loved me and was going to "have it out with her" and when he came back he was crying, said it was hopeless and told me he was sorry but it was over.

He packed his bags the next morning and left. He wouldn't talk about it, he had just made his mind up. He was cold after that and really refused contact with me for a very long time because he needed time and space to "get over it".

This happened 11 months ago and I have hardly seen or spoken to him since.

It was really painful for me and my kids, and his kids too who I hear were hit very hard by it too and I hear that his kids still ask for us and my kids still constantly ask for his. He's never let them see each other. He thought it was easier to make a clean break.

Without making this too long, it was the hardest thing I have ever been through and would not wish it on my worst enemy.

He was also devastated and I have heard from many people he was crying for months and didn't go out and even needed time off work and was signed off with depression. He's not met anyone else or moved on at all and neither have I.

He is now back in contact and is saying how sorry he is and that he has been in counselling and realising he should have stood up to his ex wife and put me first and he says he has never loved anyone the way he loves me and would do anything for another chance. He says he want to marry me.

I still love him, but I don't now where to begin with how complicated this decision is.

There are kids to think of, so many bridges were burned (my family and friends hate him because of what he did), and then there's all the trust gone and how much he hurt me.

I am torn between wanting him back so much and having no idea how to make this work even if I wanted to. It's not like there is a re-set button.

Is there a way back or is it better to forget and try and move on?

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parisinspring · 11/08/2014 17:35

Isetan, that's very true. You do see someone in a diferrent light once their "weaknesses" which were once adorable end up ripping your life apart.

I started this thread crying in bed and missing him and now I am angry and feeling like I am better off but I know this is the story for the last 11 months. I swing between both of those attitudes several times in a day.

I think deep down I love him a lot, and miss talking to him or being around him and that's a really hard thing to let go of even if it might be best for you.

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Quitelikely · 11/08/2014 17:38

I would love to give his wife a good talking to! Can't he see that he has enabled her ways by letting her dictate things.

If he wants you back I'm assuming that he has decided to take a stand against her outrageous behaviour?

I actually feel quite sorry for him but on the other hand I think he must be very weak. But then I think if she has emotionally abused him over the years then I think he might still be under her control.

If I was you I would meet with him to hear him out at the very least. If he has been suffering abuse but is now ready to break the cycle who knows? Stranger things have happened.

Quitelikely · 11/08/2014 17:39

Couldn't you lay strong ground rules? Surely he must know you wouldn't tolerate her interference again

Quitelikely · 11/08/2014 17:42

And I would consider taking him back. If there was a cadt iron guarantee that he could sort out his ex wife.

Twinklestein · 11/08/2014 17:53

It's a very difficult one: on the one hand it would be far safer to keep well out; on the other people can change, see the light, the error of their ways etc.

The question is not whether you love each other, you obviously do, but whether he has the strength of character to make it work this time round, and sadly I'm not sure he does.

If I were in your position the only way I would countenance any kind of second chance would be at arms length, friend level first, to suss out whether he has actually developed an ability to stand up to his ex or not.

Problem with that is when you have feelings for someone, you can't half do a relationship. It would come down to all or nothing, and nothing, given his history would be a safer bet.

parisinspring · 11/08/2014 18:05

What I am most scared of is letting go of the person I've loved most in my life, who I know makes me very happy, because of circumstances rather than realising we didn't work or didn't love each other.

I am just also so scared of being hurt, of the children being hurt, of putting myself out there AGAIN and trusting him AGAIN only to find out later down the road he doesn't love me as much as I love him (which it's hard not to feel when someone runs out on you even if the reasons are understandable).

He is suggesting that we re-introduce contact for the children and wants to meet up face to face so he can talk to me about what happened. I just feel half enraged because I literally begged him to talk to me and he refused.

I know I have to face it and have to have that talk and maybe, yes, I can suggest friendship and see what he does with his life.

In itself, if he mans up and sorts contact with the kids and apologises to MY kids that in itself is a bloody miracle.

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Smilesandpiles · 11/08/2014 18:12

For the love of all things Holy, leave the kids well out of this.

HanselandGretel · 11/08/2014 18:14

He is suggesting that we re-introduce contact for the children

Emm...no.

I feel for you and it must be tempting to have the man you loved all along come back begging like that but there are tons of potential pitfalls attached. The ex being a major one and that isn't going to change any day soon as the kids are still young and she has still got stopping contact to hang over his head and bully him with.

What if he has another meltdown somewhere down the road after you've reinstated him in yours and your kids life?

He sounds weak unfortunately. I'd be very wary of going back in time with this one.

Quitelikely · 11/08/2014 18:16

Yes I agree with the pp. leave your kids well out if it. Can I just check are you sure that his ex wife hasn't given him permission to start dating you again? Maybe she has seen how miserable he was? And suggested getting in touch with you again?

Vitalstatistix · 11/08/2014 18:26

God no. I don't blame you for not being sure about this. Has his ex wife changed? Doubtful. So she'll just start up again, because although she is allowed to get on with her life, she apparently wants him alone for the rest of his. And he isn't willing to stand up to her. Has he changed? what evidence do you have that he has, beyond him saying whatever he thinks will get you back?

If you go back, you'll be right back in it again, it didn't make you happy the first time and there's no reason to suppose that it will this time. And it'll hurt your kids again.

Matildathecat · 11/08/2014 18:31

I actually feel sorry for him. Not saying you should or shouldn't get back together but it sounds as if he was on the verge of a breakdown when he left you and is only now emerging from that hell.

He knows he's been weak and had some of the wrong priorities, can he change, who knows? It does seem a shame to throw so much away because of a bitch of an ex stirring in the background. She must be delighted.

Would you even consider going to counselling together if only to discuss the issues thoroughly and try to reach a point whereby you start again very slowly ( without children around), or separate but with some closure?

whitsernam · 11/08/2014 18:33

I don't often post on MN, but you say one thing that prompts me to respond: I know I have to face it and have to have that talk and maybe, yes, I can suggest friendship and see what he does with his life. Actually, you don't have to do that. Having the face to face talk gives him a big chance to try and manipulate you, and you're feeling vulnerable right now. and Friendship? I'm sorry, but that does not work when you have so many raw feelings regarding him and how he left the relationship. I would strongly say just leave it be. Silence is golden here.

JohnFarleysRuskin · 11/08/2014 18:38

I feel very sorry for him too. :(

However, I don't think he can be your partner now, he hasn't changed anything and how can he? He's caught in a trap. I would try and get on with life without him. This isn't the time...

parisinspring · 11/08/2014 18:49

A lot of responses there to reply to.

I can't imagine any scenario where his ex wife would suggest he contacted me and give her blessing. I have stood up to her though, and when I did she backed down instantly. He doesn't argue with her at all. He just sit in silence.

I was thinking I wanted the kids to spend time together regardless of the outcome between he and I. Do you all think this is a bad idea? Is it risky in case he (aka SHE) blocks contact again?

Matilda, yes, he says he was so hopeless over what to do and felt trapped in a no win situation and he says he thought about killing himself. But then I think that shows how deep this runs and how hard it will be to change it :(

Maybe the counselling together is not a bad idea. If for nothing else than to get out what I feel about all this and say it to his face which I never got to do.

He waited until I'd cried it all out, read all the self help books, got over the worst of it and then he came back. He skipped out all witnessing the devastation he left me in.

I'm just too emotional (angry combined with desperate to see him) and can;t think straight at all.

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Finney2 · 11/08/2014 18:49

If he'd come to you and said he'd laid down the law with his ex-wife, had sorted contact via the courts and now only spoke to her via email when strictly necessary regarding the kids, then I might think about giving him one chance to have a friendship again and see where it went.

As it happens, nothing has actually changed so you're going to be right back where you started. It sounds agonising for you OP. it must be so frustrating.

Twinklestein · 11/08/2014 18:53

Absolutely definitely no contact with your kids for a very, very long time.

If you want to give him a chance, then make it you and him one on one, until you've got the measure of what his apparent change of heart really means.

You simply cannot put your children through the trauma of his disappearing again. He's not considering your kids or the impact of them of his disappearing act.

parisinspring · 11/08/2014 18:57

Thanks Finney.

Okay Twinklestein. I hadn't seen it like that. I'd thought let the kids see each other first and deal with us later.

I hadn't even considered the possibility that he'd fix them seeing each other and then withdraw from that again but now you mention it it should have been obvious.

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AnyFucker · 11/08/2014 19:31

Life is too short for this shit

There are other men out there. Better, stronger men without all this ridiculous baggage. Go find one of them and tell this ridiculous person to go find someone else to make sure he fucks up as much as he is.

OneSkinnyChip · 11/08/2014 19:51

Absolutely no to the kids meeting up. The more you write OP the more I think this won't work out. I think you have a deep burning rage with him which is perfectly justified but will be very difficult to get past. The image of you standing up to her while he sat in silence was too much.

FWIW I had my own version of this. A friend of the mad ex saw me out with BF. The ex went mad and said vile and ridiculous things about me in spite of having never laid eyes on me. BF told me what she had said and I was Angry . I assumed he had set her straight and he hadn't because there was no point. I knew then it was doomed. This man was never going to have my corner or change and neither was the ex.

You deserve better OP. And your kids definitely don't need this crap.

StampyIsMyBoyfriend · 11/08/2014 20:04

No. I couldn't/wouldn't risk him hurting me all over again. He went for almost a year without speaking to you, which screams selfishness, immaturity and cruelty. It's all about how HE felt, how sad HE was.

StampyIsMyBoyfriend · 11/08/2014 20:06

And I'd also find it impossible not to worry he'd leave again, if things got too much for him. It would be like trusting again after an affair. Would you have to tiptoe around him? Not voice your displeasure if things weren't going well?

parisinspring · 11/08/2014 21:09

Yes, the more I write and think the more I think it just won't work out. I do feel sorry for him. I do love him and miss him so much...

BUT

He promised me to treat me and the kids well and to talk through problems then he just left without even chatting to me first or even telling me he was thinking about it. One day it was "we can get past this problem baby" and the next minute "it's over, bye". No conversation or process in between.

I worked with him through all of this, was always supportive, was always on his side, never got angry or fought with him and went through SO much shit for him. Then he ran out on me.

He ignored me for a year because it was what he wanted and it made it easier for him to get over me if he had no contact. He didn't care what was easier for me or my kids. Looking back I can't even describe the hell I went through. I was devastated and found it so hard to cope with life and he wasn't around to care.

He abandoned my children, who loved him and he took away his kids from me and them after we had grown to love them and see them as our own family.

He did all of this without even talking to me or trying to discuss alternative solutions.

I guess all that is just too much to get past. Even if I could get rid of all the anger (which, yes, is a lot like getting over an affair because it's a total betrayal of everything you thought you had) then what would stop me looking over my shoulder every day. That warm, safe feeling he used to give me is gone.

What I have been wishing for all this time is that phone call but I think what I was really wishing for was that imaginary reprieve where this isn't what happened or where something he could say or do would put things right.

I feel really sad for him, and me I suppose but I don't think I can do this. Anyfucker was harsh but I suppose it's true really and maybe just that simple sometimes.

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AnyFucker · 11/08/2014 21:16

It'd be easier to hate him if he'd spent 11 months chasing women and enjoying life

Personally, I would have more respect for this bloke if he had done that. Instead he has moped around like some sort of professional woe-is-me drama-llama

FFS, find yourself a proper man, one with a backbone.

parisinspring · 11/08/2014 22:01

I wish I saw things in such a black and white way, but I don't really. I always knew he didn't have much of a backbone so to speak but he was kind, generous, intelligent, sweet, affection, great in bed!, loving, supportive, interesting, funny and all sorts of other things and I thought I had enough backbone for the both of us!

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AnyFucker · 11/08/2014 22:24

Head versus heart versus head

What's it to be, bearing in mind that being led by your heart has been a catastrophic disaster so far not just for you but also for your children.