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We are having a sex problem

172 replies

ChickDaney · 13/07/2014 22:11

Some info: my H and I have been together for 5 years married for 2.5 no children yet

We have not had sex since last Monday so 6 days. We can't have PIV sex at the moment because i'm late for my depo injection (you have to get it every 12 weeks and I couldn't get an appointment until tomorrow which will be 13) and you cant have sex (protected or not) after that time because they won't give it to you if there's even a 1% chance of pregnancy. Trust me I've been there.

so - no sex until after the injection. DH has been moody and not really talking to me pretty much all of the day due to me not wanting to have the "other kinds" of sex last night. TBF I was pretty shirty after the second no and told him to basically get off and stop groping me.

I had finally had enough of the atmosphere and we've had a massive row. He says that he feels like I don't want him. He understands we can't have PIV sex but thinks we should still be able to do "other stuff". My response is I don't like oral and never have (receiving or giving) and if he wants to masturbate go ahead i'm fine and would rather wait. Obviously i'm paraphrasing I'm pretty sure I said "For fucks sake go and have a fucking wank" at least once.

If you have got this far - the result of the row was this - I will research sex that doesn't involve PIV to see if there is anything I would like to try and he will try not to make me feel like shit when I dont want to have sex. So PLEASE help by

  1. Sex ideas that dont involve PIV or oral
  2. Ideas about how can he not create an atmosphere if he is feeling like I don't want him (Kisses, hugs and telling him don't count)
OP posts:
LumieresForMe · 14/07/2014 14:05

There is something to say about the fact quite a few men think that if their partner says no then they are not desirable and then they feel rejected.
It has a lot to do with the way society had told us that having many PIV orgasms for men was a sign of high virility and that tefusing sex with them is like rejecting them as a whole person.
The thing is, yes we, somehow, are conditioned to think like this. Hell the OPthinks like this as she feels it's her responsibility to put things right by finding ways to have arc that aren't PIV, because they can't, or oral, because she doesn't like it. But we don't have to accept it.
Neither should we demonised her DH for thinking in that way.
As usual the way forward is talking.

I have to say, I do t think their sexual compatibility us the issue there. If it had been, then I'm sure that the fact the OP doesn't like oral would have become an issue a long time ago.

LumieresForMe · 14/07/2014 14:07

And YY to the fact he needs to get his head around it if you ever want to have children or simply if you are planning to get older.
Times when you (and he!!) will say NO will just get more and more often.

LittleMissRayofHope · 14/07/2014 14:23

I think he's behaving like a total bell end.
Before I had DD we were rampant! Several times a day, everyday. With only a few limitations and boundaries (sorry for TMI, point is coming now) after I fell pregnant... I had morning sickness for about 8 months solid, pelvic pain and heartburn galore. DH went from having it whenever to almost none at all in the space of about 2 weeks. He complained and turned away (in a like 'you've rejected me so I'm gonna go cold and reject you back' way) once and I was not impressed. Told him he was a twat and booted him out of bed. He too associated love and affection with sex.
Safe to say in that time of pregnancy then birth, healing and having a new born he struggled. BUT! He has never sulked since. Why? Cos he's a grown up and he saw I wouldn't accept being emotionally manipulated into doing something I didn't want to do.
Since having our daughter he has had to accept that he is not the most important thing in my life and I do not live to 'service' him as and when he should so demand it.

Your DH needs to grow up. How old is he? I agree with lots of PP's that if he can only feel loved by getting his end away then he must have had a creepy bizarre childhood, his first love must be himself (puberty must have been exhausting) and so he fell in love with you the first time you had sex and that was that! Sounds very sad.
Agree as well that it shouldn't be your responsability to find alternative ways to please him. Why isn't no a good answer?? People go to prison for refusing to accept no....
Rape can happen in a marriage just as easily as outside one.

MiniTheMinx · 14/07/2014 14:37

CogitoErgoSometimes, yes I agree with is why I wrote "Of course one should want to make another happy. On the flip side, what right would he have to expect OP to make him happy at the expense of her own happiness. None"

You have a dreadful habit of selecting just one point out of context.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 14/07/2014 15:31

Dreadful.... OK... whatever... Hmm

differentnameforthis · 14/07/2014 17:16

MiniTheMinx
I like to make my dh happy, but I refuse to do it by having sex that I do not want, in any shape or form.

This guy has gone SIX days without sex, if he is so unsure of how his wife feels about him, perhaps a good conversation to check, not sulking like a petulant 5yr old.

because I couldn't imagine wanting to have sex with someone who sulked because they couldn't coerce me to have sex.

differentnameforthis · 14/07/2014 17:18

Nobody has talked about incompatibility. OP doesn't like oral sex.

They can't have PIV because op isn't protected.

PipkinsPal · 14/07/2014 17:28

When you have had your depo any chance you can book the next one with the Practice Nurse and remember to attend for the appointment? I work in a Doctor's surgery and we are able to open up the P/N sessions well in advance.

MiniTheMinx · 14/07/2014 18:10

differentnameforthis, where have I said anyone should do anything they don't want to, to placate or make someone else happy. Just to reiterate what I said in very simple terms.

How can B make A happy
sex (any variety!!)
B doesn't want sex
A feels that sex would make him happy
B denies sex
A feels that his unhappiness is due to B's refusal to have sex
A would therefore conclude that B is the cause of the unhappiness
B is not happy either because B knows she has caused A's unhappiness

But try this

How can A make B happy
A wants sex
B doesn't but does so anyway
A gets sex
B is unhappy
A has no bloody right to be happy because B is unhappy
B unhappiness is caused by the actions of A
A is unhappy because he knows he has caused B's unhappiness

In both cases B has the power to act in a way that will make A happy or unhappy. A' has the same choices. If B acts to make A happy at her own expense, then this is equal to B acting to please herself at A's expense. Assuming all people are equally entitled to be happy.

Its a negation of a negation.

This is why, I said its a compatibility problem. Ones emotional needs are met through sex...any sort of sex will suffice, the other's aren't but will go unmet in response to the unwillingness to meet the other's emotional needs. Tit for tat. OP is off in search of sexual activities that don't involve PIV or oral...she will find plenty if she googles. But she is loathe to even give him a hand job, doesn't like oral and states:

"Joan - problem is he has come up with the "other stuff" suggestions and I've said "I don't really fancy that" and suddenly i'm the bad guy. him unhappy again"

So, he makes suggestions, she doesn't like those. Sorry it's a sexual compatibility problem combined with difference in how both seek to meet their own and each others emotional and/or sexual needs.

And that is logic...not some half arsed personal opinion.

WildBillfemale · 14/07/2014 20:24

OP do you actually fancy your husband? why won't you try the other things he has suggested, why don't you like oral? why don't you just give H a hand job?

It seems your sex life is very much dictated by you and you seem to find even mild suggestions distasteful - why???? I think this is the main issue here not your H...

People can get pleasure from giving pleasure - I think you need to understand this OP

CogitoErgoSometimes · 14/07/2014 20:30

FFS WildBillfemale, the way you're browbeating the OP you're as big a sex pest as the her DH!

Lweji · 14/07/2014 20:37

Wild, what if it was asked of you something you didn't want to do?

Any forms of sex are only ok if the person is happy to do them. End of.

What is ok differs from person to person and you have no right saying to the OP that she has to conform to whatever you think it's normal.

GarlicJulyKit · 14/07/2014 20:58

why don't you like oral? - eh? Are you really expecting a written answer to this?!

why don't you just give H a hand job? - Maybe it leaves her feeling like a £5 job round the back of the station. Just a guess, based on personal experience of men who speak of "just giving them a hand job."

LineRunner · 14/07/2014 21:08

I think 'hand job' is a crap term.

chalkcircle · 14/07/2014 21:38

Christ. It's a bit premature to be pronouncing this woman and her husband sexually incompatible when they disagree about what they want to do during a six day break from PIV. She hasn't suggested that their sex life is normally a problem, so her lack of desire for oral is not a huge problem in the relationship. The issue here is her husband's apparent deep emotional need to spunk in or on his wife whenever he feels like it. If he cannot survive a week off without getting moody about it, he is incompatible with one hell of a lot of people. At some point in a person's life they will have a reason to not feel like sex. Sometimes for even longer than a week, if you can believe it.

Plenty of people don't like oral. It's pretty bloody intimate to stick someone's genitalia in your mouth. Taste, smell, the question of where he comes - very specific things that aren't an issue with any other sex act. Fgs, if we can accept people strongly disliking the taste/texture of certain foods, why do we even need to question why some people don't like putting cock in their mouths?

GarlicJulyKit · 14/07/2014 22:04

The issue here is her husband's apparent deep emotional need to spunk in or on his wife whenever he feels like it.

Grin Allow me to congratulate you on a perfect encapsulation of the OP ...

If he cannot survive a week off without getting moody about it, he is incompatible with one hell of a lot of people.

... and an excellent summary!

notahamster · 14/07/2014 22:22

Well, I'm impressed this has gone so far. I thought internet conversations like this fizzled out and ended after the "ditch him, he's a pig" stage.
What questions would you pose to the DH if you knew he was present in the conversation?
I'm sure he's not quite the misogynistic, mansplainin', sexist, dummy-spitting, one-dimensional walking rape-dispenser that he's been made out to be in this thread, albeit not by his DW.
I daresay he's actually in possession of a fully fleshed-out character and displays the full gamut of adult emotions, besides the male-stereotypical; sleepy, hungry, horny.

It is worth acknowledging that is would be very rare for sulking to be any person's go-to response for issues like this.
It is far more likely that this sex-related issue is something that has cropped up before, and has been discussed multiple times, to no avail.

The DH, as a functioning adult, has most likely first tried all forms of civilised discourse, and upon failure, with him still feeling as though he is not having some of his perceived needs met, has reverted to the least disruptive of all remaining courses of action that still enable him to feel as though he is not helplessly subject to the transient desires of his DW, enabling him to outwardly express, rather than inwardly repress his dissatisfaction, as our much exemplified 1950's housewives were made to do.

Important to note, the " yes,no, of course dear slopes off to wank " course of action seems to reduce him to a sex object, to be used as his DW's whims dictate, subjugated.

He's not expecting his DW to do something that she doesn't want to do.

He's expressing his frustration at the fact that there is so little that she is willing to do outside of PIV, which is so easily blocked by situations such as these, whereby there is a whole gamut of activities which are not.
He wants her to want him.

Of course he has no interest in forcing himself on a unwilling person, that is plainly not the modus operandi through which he gains his sexual satisfaction. He derives his satisfaction from the giving of pleasure, and the feeling of being desired.
A wank can fulfil the physical need for orgasm, not the desire to be sexually desired, or the desire to give sexual pleasure to another.
If there is a "whitelist" of sexual activities, containing exclusively PIV, is it not easier to see his frustration at trying to find a mutual compromise, willing to accept any available feelings of sexual desire in the obvious (and perfectly valid) unavailability of PIV.

This is not a dig at the OP, the couple are clearly very much in love, and to summarily judge their situation from a few abstract lines in an internet forum does their relationship a huge disrespect. The DH is doubtless reading this thread and thinking introspectively, not sitting in the corner cross-legged, picking his nose and scowling at the world for picking on him.

Lweji · 14/07/2014 22:25

6 fucking days

Bangs head on desk

Lweji · 14/07/2014 22:26

He wants her to want him

So, he sulks. Yeah, that's going to work a treat. Nothing warms up a woman's heart more than a sulk.

chalkcircle · 14/07/2014 22:33

Important to note, the " yes,no, of course dear slopes off to wank " course of action seems to reduce him to a sex object, to be used as his DW's whims dictate, subjugated.

No, it doesn't reduce him to anything. It leaves him exactly as he was before - one half of a couple who must both want sex in order for sex to happen. Everyone is subject to their partner's transient desire for no sex. Everyone. That's not bloody subjugation and he is not being used.

chalkcircle · 14/07/2014 22:34

(Argh, bolding fail.)

MooncupGoddess · 14/07/2014 22:34

"It is far more likely that this sex-related issue is something that has cropped up before, and has been discussed multiple times, to no avail.

The DH, as a functioning adult, has most likely first tried all forms of civilised discourse ... The DH is doubtless reading this thread and thinking introspectively ..."

Um, hamster. Are you the DH? If not, where the hell does all this pro-DH explanation come from? Because it certainly doesn't reflect the information the OP has given in the thread.

Lweji · 14/07/2014 22:36

When I was pregnant, for a while I had a huge sex drive. Not once did I think OH should have sex with me because I wanted to. Not once did I sulk because I was left gagging for it and he didn't feel like it.

(unlike him)

ouryve · 14/07/2014 22:40

mini - not wanting to give a hand job is also perfectly valid. And that's just from the POV that it feels bloody mechanical, without all the other stuff that goes with the process.

ouryve · 14/07/2014 22:41

WildBill - kindly fuck off. There's a love.