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Bad fight and I think I crossed the line

314 replies

chickieno1 · 27/06/2014 00:58

Had a very stupid argument with dh this evening. At the dinner table ridiculous about chicken! He got on his high horse about wanting to make his point and I said forget about it and he said he had to make his point. I then got up and took my plate with me and said if he really felt he couldn't leave it then I was going to finish my dinner elsewhere. He then said it was very ignorant of me to leave when he had cooked the dinner etc. I went to the kitchen and he was still going on and then said you can fuck off! Now I don't think we swear at each other and I saw red. I came back into the dining area and said what did you say and he said fuck off again. He was sitting at the table and I pushed him so hard both him and the chair fell over :(. The 9 month old baby was in the high chair next to him and the almost four year old was sitting on the sofa watching something before bath time. Dh got up went upstairs and either slammed a door really hard or hit a wall

We haven't spoken or looked at each other since. I feel really bad and don't know what to say or do :(

OP posts:
pinkpeoniesplease · 27/06/2014 02:51

And Domestic Violence is not an offence, it's a policy/process so it's still a Common Assault.

DottyDooRidesAgain · 27/06/2014 02:52

It was 18 years ago and I can see how things have changed for he better.
The laughable part is I was battered on the Tuesday made statements and said I wanted to press charges. I heard nothing until about 3 days later when CID contacted me because he had been arrested for football violence (Euro 96) and my name was on his file. They interviewed me again then charged him with the football violence but not my assault Angry

Boudica1990 · 27/06/2014 02:54

pink your courts sit on a Saturday?! That's handy for your area. I know for a fact my area there are no weekend courts. Also you do know the court appearance red is on about isn't a trial yes. The first court appearance is when the defendant enters their plea, it's just the defendant and the magistrates. It's pretty quick 5min job and the defendant is released on bail if they plead not guilty. They have to be held in custody whilst they are on charge and awaiting to enter a plea in DV cases. Which is why it's the next available court day so they free up the custody cell quickly.

pinkpeoniesplease · 27/06/2014 02:56

Yes after several years I am familiar with the process thanks.

Redglitter · 27/06/2014 02:56

I know back then the attitude Dotty was very much oh go back and sort it out

DV is an absolute priority now it's one of the call types you can't leave lying for any length of time. We're definitely making progress but I think there's still a lot to be done when it comes to female violence against men.
There doesn't seem to be the same outcry against that yet

Boudica1990 · 27/06/2014 02:56

dotty that's terrible :( I'm so sorry Thanks times have definatley changed, thank the lord, more spouses are now able to be protected due to these changes.

DottyDooRidesAgain · 27/06/2014 02:59

I don't think violence is acceptable no matter which sex is 'dishing' it out.

However I stand by my original advice that the OP needs to discuss this with her DH and make positive steps to stop this before it escalates and also give him the chance to say what he wants to happen.

Good night all. Smile

DottyDooRidesAgain · 27/06/2014 03:00

Thanks Bo x

Redglitter · 27/06/2014 03:03

Totally agree Dotty

dunno if you saw a video circulating online recently. A guy was seen to be assaulting a female. members of the public intervened and called the police etc. Several hours layer same couple same street but she assaulted him. people passing laughed slagged him and filmed it. It was appalling. Total double standards

night night

OPohdear · 27/06/2014 03:26

ffs this is not dv. she didn't mean to push him over it was an accident. she got a bit physical but it sounds like he was being a dick. u can't just reverse the roles, men have an inbuilt physical superiority. ffs just tell him ur sorry and be very apologetic in front of the kids. u will laugh about this some day.

gingercat2 · 27/06/2014 04:43

I hope you didn't leave, that was crazy advice in my own opinion. I hope you managed to have a calm evening. Do try and find someone to talk to in the near future who will be helpful and not judgemental.

HicDraconis · 27/06/2014 05:04

Man pushes woman - he's a violent abuser, get out.
Woman pushes man - he probably drove her to it with years of abuse (no suggestion of that in the op), she didn't push him that hard he just lost his balance - way to go victim blaming there.

Double standards much?

FellReturneth · 27/06/2014 05:28

Have any of you considered OP could have been abused by this man for years and finally snapped, but is blaming herself as victims of mental abuse often do??

No, funnily enough, I haven't. She didn't say anything to suggest that, so I am not going to assume it. Any more that I would assume that a women who was pushed over must be an abusive witch who deserves it.

Maybe she didn't push him hard and he just lost his balance?

Don't be ridiculous.

To push a grown man hard enough that he and his chair fall backwards is to push pretty damned hard. Let's hope she never pushes her child that hard in a moment of anger. And if she's not the type to go around pushing people generally, then there is nothing to say that this out of character loss of control could not just as easily have been directed towards the four year old.

Besides which, she did this in front of her children, which is seriously, seriously wrong. She lost control.

OP I think you should consider whether you are suffering from PND and see your GP immediately.

Maybe he's upstairs feeling awful for speaking to his wife in such a disgusting manner??

Because all victims of domestic violence should feel contrite and reflect solemnly on whatever it was they did to push their partner over the edge, should they?

OP I am not going to tell you that you should move out for good and only be allowed supervised contact with your children etc, lest you kill everyone in the house next time (which, incidentally, is exactly what would be happening on heard right now if you'd been a man with an identical story.) Only you and your DH know the true state of your relationship and whether there has been a history of emotional or verbal abuse. And I don't just mean the occasional, perfectly normal, healthy argument with a bit of name calling that most couples have from time to time, I mean proper EA and systematic VA. (not that could ever be a valid defence for a man anyway) or whether there is some other underlying, mitigating stuff that he might feel he wants to take partial responsibility for (and again, I'm aware that you would;t even be allowed to suggest that on a thread about male on female DV) but from your post I am feeling that you are not generally a high drama, shouty, fighty kind of couple. Which is why I am wondering if you are suffering from PND, or are not coping well with the children and feel unsupported?

However angry, disgusted and distant he is with you over this you need to suck it up. Don't try to justify it, don't go on the defensive, don't try to foist blame onto him, don't try to minimise it - 'he wasn't physically hurt' - just take responsibility for it. And take some action to make sure it doesn't happen again.

Do you ever 'see red' and lose control with the four year old?

FellReturneth · 27/06/2014 05:29

here not heard

Groovedaddy · 27/06/2014 06:31

I think he should move out. I would if I was attacked by my woman.

BoneyBackJefferson · 27/06/2014 06:49

Groovedaddy

"I think he should move out. I would if I was attacked by my woman."

There is a bloke trying that on another thread (bad form I know) but so far the OP (who is not happy about him being in her house) has been told to look him up on google, watch her daughters around him, that he might be a rapist and its been inferred that he is only there because he wants to be around 2 20yr old women.

AND
that he is probably making it up.

But its unsurprising to see some posters minimising female on male DV.

Hickorydickory12 · 27/06/2014 06:50

Crikey. Some advice on here us ridiculous.
People say to 'leave' and the relationship is over.
She didn't beat him to a pulp!
Yes she pushed him, but get a grip!
And it is different if a guy assaults a woman. The balance if physical power us very different!

PorkyMinch · 27/06/2014 07:01

I think this thread clearly demonstrates that each person's circumstances need to be judged on their individual merit. The black or white battle cry to LTB often means that people aren't getting the tailored advice they need. It's just, did he or she do this? Did he or she do that? Tick tick boom.

Lweji · 27/06/2014 07:08

She didn't beat him to a pulp
it would be very healthy if people stopped equating dv with beating to a pulp.
It does a disservice to victims of dv, and abuse, including many women. This type of sentence puts many victims at risk.

BoneyBackJefferson · 27/06/2014 07:11

"And it is different if a guy assaults a woman. The balance if physical power us very different!"

How many times must a woman hit a man for it to have the same level of severity?

Hickorydickory12 · 27/06/2014 07:20

I just think the responses in here are a huge overreaction.
There are many things which legally are defined as assault. Even wiping spit on someone is classed as physicL assault.

If someone is in fear of being attacked by their other half then clearly lines gave been crossed. Where do you draw the line. I don't know. We all have different boundaries.
If I pushed past my dh in anger abd frustration. (Which legally would be assault) and he told me to leave, called the police and pressed charges. I would think he had lost his mind.
To me it's the same as saying that if you tap your children for being naughty you are a physically abusing your children. Which to me is very different from beating your children.
Go on flame away...

Op you made a mistake, but you are not a monster.

QuizzicalCat · 27/06/2014 07:21

Verbal abuse is also dv. The dh told the op to fuck off twice, in front of the children, she says they never swear, which would imply that the dh must have been angry enough to also behave out of character which was no doubt reflected in his tone and choice of words.

So he is also a perpetrator of dv in this incident, verbal abuse in front of the children.

Both forms of abuse are damaging. Yes the op pushed her husband and that is very wrong, but so is being verbally abusive. They both need to look at how they reacted in this situation.

The children were victims of BOTH parents.

DontPutMeDownForCardio · 27/06/2014 07:35

I'm assuming that all these minimsers would be happy for their partner to push them over in front of their children them? On the basis that as long as you dont cause any real harm, its not really dv?

VampyreofTimeandMemory · 27/06/2014 07:41

social services take a very dim few of that

you must be joking, my xp hit me (and admitted to doing so) once, supervised access to our dc was never even suggested!

VampyreofTimeandMemory · 27/06/2014 07:42

not a fucking chance will OP's kids be removed from her care for this and I think that's quite right if she's been 'main carer' up to now.