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DP directing aggressive panic attacks at me

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Sapphire18 · 09/06/2014 11:20

Sorry this is long - basis of it is my partner having panic attacks which are in the form of very aggressive behaviour. Here are the details:

I am looking for advice on a recurring problem with my fiancé. We have been together for 9 years and got engaged a few months ago. It was in the third year of our relationship (when we first lived together) that I first experienced him having a kind of panic attack in which he becomes very aggressive towards me. It has never got to the point of actual violence but this has happened several times and is always extremely scary, upsetting and leaves me feeling really shaken up and tearful. About two years ago it really got to the point where I gave him a sort of ultimatum and he did a stress management course. It seemed to help as he learned coping mechanisms like going for a walk when feeling stressed, and spotting the triggers / warning signs. Since he did the stress management course there have been considerably fewer of these incidents (e.g. once every 6-9 months?) however last night it happened again. The previous incident was 5 months ago.

To give you an idea of what actually happens – it’s usually triggered by his frustration that I am not listening to him / he can’t control or change something. E.g. the previous incident was his frustration at not being able to stop me feeling depressed. Last night it was that he thought I was not listening to him when he was trying to explain to me about a DIY problem we’ve been having.

He uses his physicality to stop me leaving the room when I am trying to end a conversation calmly or storm out in an argument. I have tried to explain I am using the same technique he learned in stress management but he thinks I am dismissing the conversation we’re having.

Last night I told him I didn’t want to talk about the DIY as he was using a very patronising tone with me (and it was almost midnight and I wanted to get ready for bed). He blocked me from leaving the room to go to the bathroom. I repeatedly asked him to move and he refused, saying he wanted to make me understand the DIY problem. I felt trapped and got up on the bed to get out of the room by a different route. He jumped up on the bed and held his arms around my legs so I couldn’t move. I told him he was hurting my knee (which is recovering from a bike accident) and he refused to let go. I repeatedly asked him but he wouldn’t so I pinched his ear and kicked him and hit him. Not hard enough to really hurt but as a warning / to make him let me go. He didn’t let go and got me down on the bed, I calmly told him I would count to 10 and then he was to let me go. I was really starting to panic but I thought if I do I will really lash out and then we’ll both get hurt, plus I am already injured from my bike accident. He let me go on 10 and I went to leave the room but he stood in the doorway and said he wouldn’t let me until I listened to him.

By now things were calmer and we were talking rather than shouting. I told him he must not ever use his physicality over me like that. He was still focused on our disagreement over the DIY and I told him that was so minor by comparison – what I was now concerned at was his bullying behaviour. I was quite assertive that he must never ever do that (but I’ve said that before). I thought we’d de-escalated things and then I can’t remember what happened but he flipped out having one of his panic attacks. When this happens he adopts a really weird tone of voice, sounds really unstable and a bit crazy; he told me I don’t love him, I want him to hurt himself, I want him to kill himself; he threw himself around the room and I was afraid he’d hurt himself or break something; he banged his head against the floor; ripped at his clothes until he was half naked; writhed on the floor and curled up in a ball with panicked breathing and sobbing; demanded I hold his hands to make him feel safe; refused my offer of rescue remedy but then took it. These behaviours are all absolutely typical of when he gets like this. I didn’t know what to do but basically took the attitude I would with a tantruming toddler – being firm yet supportive, and trying to get him out of it without showing any emotion. However I was really torn as I didn’t want him to think behaving in this way is the way to control me or get my attention. I couldn’t seem to do anything right, whether I went near him or backed away. I was desperately trying to calm him as I was afraid he’d wake our housemates and I know when he gets like this he doesn’t care who’s watching and has no shame.

In the end I left him curled up in a ball on the floor and told him I was going to the bathroom but would come back. I was really shaken and panicky and didn’t know what to do. He was begging me not to leave him. When I returned about 2 minutes later he was in bed sobbing, saying he was only asking me to hold his hands because he felt so scared and panicked, and making out I’d been really heartless. I told him he’d really scared me, it was unacceptable and he should be in control of himself. He told me panic attacks just happen – I have experienced them too but I don’t think they necessarily mean lashing out at someone else! Then he was very apologetic, but I couldn’t stand to have him hug me, it just made my skin crawl.

I tried to sleep but couldn’t stand being near him, so tried to go to the spare room. He told me I shouldn’t; that he should; took my pillows off me so I couldn’t leave with them; begged me to stay. We tried again to talk but I was exhausted by now and said we should just go to sleep. He told me I am the one who holds all the power in this relationship, and that he did touch me when he was stopping me leaving the room, but it’s the closest we get to any intimacy these days. Admittedly we do have less sex since moving into a shared house.

This morning he told me he’d been up most of the night having panic attacks, and had to go for a walk to calm down at 5.30am (I did hear him go out then). He was very apologetic, asked me for a hug then got upset when I couldn’t bring myself to. He protested that he hasn’t got like this for ages (it used to happen much more regularly). He suggested we do relationship counselling ‘before we make any commitments’ – i.e. marriage (we’ve talked of this before) and I think it might be a good idea. I am a bit worried at the cost at an average of £50 though, and a little scared at what we might end up saying to one another.

I just don’t know what to do. Whenever this happens I ask myself what I am doing in this relationship. It makes me feel so vulnerable and frightened, and I don’t know what to do. I think he thinks that because he stops short of actually hitting me, it’s ok, or that because he’s panicking when he does it it’s not his fault. When I call it abusive he says I’m exaggerating. I desperately want him to be able to promise me it’ll never happen again but he says he can’t. I am really happy with the relationship otherwise, and excited to be marrying him but I am wondering if this can be overcome or if I should go on accepting that effectively I am with someone who’ll blow up like this from time to time?

Just to confirm, I am not looking for advice to leave him. I am looking for help in managing / eliminating this behaviour and how to address this issue.

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AllThatGlistens · 14/06/2014 13:47

I'm so very saddened to hear that you're still clinging on to him Sad

Please know that there's a wealth of support and advice here for you when you need it.

Keep posting, or at the very least keep reading, allow yourself to see that 100s of other posters have had the same experiences as you.

I haven't seen a single post on here yet that describes the abuser changing for the better, myself included.

Please don't waste your life wishing for a miracle. Look at the cold hard truth that so many have described for you.

Real experiences, no fantasies or wishful thinking, but the actual truth about life with an abuser.

arowhena · 14/06/2014 14:34

This is also a Lundy blog post but seems so appropriate and I could certainly relate to it from past experience.

Lweji · 14/06/2014 14:39

I don't agree with the contract at all.

Firstly you are not part of his treatment.
You cannot control it and you did not cause it.
You cannot treat a partner as a child. People should be able to talk and agree, they should be able to understand how their behaviour affects the other without punishments.
Such control and punishment will only lead to resentment on both parts. And he'll never feel responsible for his behaviour, nor will you feel respected or loved.

There is a good rule that you should marry the person that your partner is. You should love that person as they are. Not the idea you have of them, nor the potential you see in them. It will never happen.

This is your partner, right now. Is this the person you really want to spend the rest of your life with? Forget his intentions or possible outcomes. This is him. This is the man you will get when life gets stressed, when things go wrong, when he doesn't get his way.

Forget the baggage and the losses.
Is this the man for you as he stands before you?

ouryve · 14/06/2014 14:42

It's going to take more than 3 days of talking and a course to change a pattern that he's been in for 9 years.

NettleTea · 14/06/2014 16:57

At least 9 years. This pattern was probably set in childhood

Sillylass79 · 14/06/2014 17:01

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Sapphire18 · 14/06/2014 17:15

Hi everyone, I keep coming back to the thread but it's getting quite emotional, I feel like you're all shouting at me to make a decision although I know you mean well.

I saw my parents today, cried & told them everything. They're supportive of whatever I decide and say I can take my time deciding because it won't make much difference to others how close to the date it happens.

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LadyMud · 14/06/2014 17:19

Well done for telling your parents, Sapphire - it can't have been easy.

AvonCallingBarksdale · 14/06/2014 17:19

Hi, Sapphire18, I've posted a couple of times on the thread. Please don't feel that we're shouting at you - we're just really wanting you not to sleep walk into a situation. If it comes across as shouting it's just that many posters have been where you are, and don't want you to be there. Keep posting, you'll get lots of support here. It's great that you've shared with your parents, too. Thanks

ouryve · 14/06/2014 17:22

Sapphire Flowers Telling your parents is a huge and very important step. You now no longer need to face this alone.

Littletigers · 14/06/2014 17:27

So glad you spoke to your parents

magoria · 14/06/2014 17:27

Well done on telling your parents.

I know it must be overwhelming that everyone one on here is saying don't marry don't marry.

It is because as outsiders we think it is much easier to not walk into a problem marriage from a problem relationship than to get out of one after.

This could be the making of you and him. He could do the course and be the perfect husband and father for the next 70 years. But... It is much better to take it slow and make sure he has changed before rather than after.

I don't agree with a contract that if he hits her she leaves for a month. Surely if he hits her the police are called and he is gone there and then forever.

Lweji · 14/06/2014 17:33

So glad you told your parents. And they sound great.

I hope you can make a decision for yourself, without being influenced by him or the practicalities of the wedding.

Sapphire18 · 14/06/2014 17:34

It does feel a relief. I was so worried what they'd think. If this works out fine I rly dont want them to hate him. What can we tell people if we postpone? ?

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CaptChaos · 14/06/2014 17:37

Well done telling your parents, were they surprised?

On the subject of what to tell people when you postpone the wedding. Tell them whatever you like. I personally would tell them the truth, that you're postponing because you realised that all is not well and you want to spend some time seeing whether it can be fixed before you commit to a lifetime with a man who abuses you.

You might want to word it differently.

Sapphire18 · 14/06/2014 17:39

Well that's not really what I want to say because if he reforms himself that's not really a helpful label to have put him. At the end of the day if he sorts this out I need my friends to be supportive.

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magoria · 14/06/2014 17:39

Don't tell them. The main people know. Others just need to know you are reassessing and not ready to talk about it right now.

FairPhyllis · 14/06/2014 17:40

Sapphire, that's wonderful. Hiding this sort of thing away is what allows abuse to flourish.

You've taken a very important step for your own welfare.

Lweji · 14/06/2014 17:41

You do not need to explain yourself, really.
But you could say that you have some issues that need to be sorted before you commit to each other.

It's still better to break away from him, though.

Sillylass79 · 14/06/2014 17:51

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wyrdyBird · 14/06/2014 17:52

Oh very well done, Sapphire. That was brave Flowers

I'm glad your parents were supportive. They might or might not realise the implications of what you've been through (his behaviour is not likely to improve, sadly) ...but the point is, they're listening to you and want what's best. This is great. A huge step forward.

I don't think everyone needs to know why you're postponing/cancelling the wedding. At this stage, it's your business. If you simply say you need to think things through, or the timing is bad right now - something like that - this is about as much as most people want to know.

They are all grown ups - they'll know there's more to it, and they'll know it's not their business until you say it is.

Ketchuphidestheburntbits · 14/06/2014 17:55

All your friends and family want to see you safe and happy. You really don't need to explain anything about the wedding being called off. Your friends will know that you wouldn't have made such an important decision lightly (if they are real friends) and will want to support you whatever happens.

MrsCampbellBlack · 14/06/2014 18:20

Saphire, tell people the venue double booked.

Well done on telling your parents. I think deep down you know what's going to happen and in my opinion its often kinder to finish things quickly rather than drag them out.

The advice on this thread has been amazing. Just when i thought mn was past it a thread like this happens.

LoodleDoodle · 14/06/2014 18:32

Oh Sapphire. I never post in here but I'm so upset reading your thread I had to. This really is abuse, there's no doubt about it. If it helps, I finally realised that no matter how much I loved an abuser, he did NOT love me. Not me. The idea of me, yes, but if he had, he could never have treated me that way. He doesn't love you as you love him, and so you deserve better.

Well done for telling your family; if they feel even half for you what most posters here feel for their kids, they will be so relieved you've confided and support you whatever.

So glad you're considering postponing. So many brilliant posts in here. MN is the most amazing source of feminine experience to take advantage of. Honestly, truly, if you go through with this wedding, you will be back here, saying you had excellent advice, but followed your gut, and now he's assaulted you while pregnant / holding the baby / DCs are cowering in the bathroom. So, so many women here have been there. We don't know him, of course you do, but, and it's a serious but, many of us truly, honestly do know him. We've lived with, or married a version of him, and would give anything to go back and change things at the point you are now at. Please, please listen to them, with an open heart, because they / we really do know.

I'll add that 9 years is nothing. Your marriage could be 5 times as long. If, and that's a huge if, he can change, what's a year or two of waiting to see if he's one of the rare few who can change? Fuck any embarrassment. Lie, whatever, but you owe it to the old lady you will be to make a decent decision, for you, not for him. No matter how much you love him, at the end, if he can't be fixed, it's you and your future family who will really suffer.

AdoraBell · 14/06/2014 18:44

Well done for telling your parents, that really is a huge positive.

No one here is shouting at you. We just see that you are in danger of committing permantly to a man who is extremely good at manipulating and will continue to abuse you, because we've seen it happen so many times before.

It's a bit like trying to convince a young smoker that they actually are damaging their lungs. We know it but they think it won't happen to them.

If he does change then that's great, but it will take a long time to know if he has changed. Much more than a few months. So read the links and books that have been recommended, take a step back from him emotionally while he does the course and observe his behaviour during and after, for a long time after.

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