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DP directing aggressive panic attacks at me

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Sapphire18 · 09/06/2014 11:20

Sorry this is long - basis of it is my partner having panic attacks which are in the form of very aggressive behaviour. Here are the details:

I am looking for advice on a recurring problem with my fiancé. We have been together for 9 years and got engaged a few months ago. It was in the third year of our relationship (when we first lived together) that I first experienced him having a kind of panic attack in which he becomes very aggressive towards me. It has never got to the point of actual violence but this has happened several times and is always extremely scary, upsetting and leaves me feeling really shaken up and tearful. About two years ago it really got to the point where I gave him a sort of ultimatum and he did a stress management course. It seemed to help as he learned coping mechanisms like going for a walk when feeling stressed, and spotting the triggers / warning signs. Since he did the stress management course there have been considerably fewer of these incidents (e.g. once every 6-9 months?) however last night it happened again. The previous incident was 5 months ago.

To give you an idea of what actually happens – it’s usually triggered by his frustration that I am not listening to him / he can’t control or change something. E.g. the previous incident was his frustration at not being able to stop me feeling depressed. Last night it was that he thought I was not listening to him when he was trying to explain to me about a DIY problem we’ve been having.

He uses his physicality to stop me leaving the room when I am trying to end a conversation calmly or storm out in an argument. I have tried to explain I am using the same technique he learned in stress management but he thinks I am dismissing the conversation we’re having.

Last night I told him I didn’t want to talk about the DIY as he was using a very patronising tone with me (and it was almost midnight and I wanted to get ready for bed). He blocked me from leaving the room to go to the bathroom. I repeatedly asked him to move and he refused, saying he wanted to make me understand the DIY problem. I felt trapped and got up on the bed to get out of the room by a different route. He jumped up on the bed and held his arms around my legs so I couldn’t move. I told him he was hurting my knee (which is recovering from a bike accident) and he refused to let go. I repeatedly asked him but he wouldn’t so I pinched his ear and kicked him and hit him. Not hard enough to really hurt but as a warning / to make him let me go. He didn’t let go and got me down on the bed, I calmly told him I would count to 10 and then he was to let me go. I was really starting to panic but I thought if I do I will really lash out and then we’ll both get hurt, plus I am already injured from my bike accident. He let me go on 10 and I went to leave the room but he stood in the doorway and said he wouldn’t let me until I listened to him.

By now things were calmer and we were talking rather than shouting. I told him he must not ever use his physicality over me like that. He was still focused on our disagreement over the DIY and I told him that was so minor by comparison – what I was now concerned at was his bullying behaviour. I was quite assertive that he must never ever do that (but I’ve said that before). I thought we’d de-escalated things and then I can’t remember what happened but he flipped out having one of his panic attacks. When this happens he adopts a really weird tone of voice, sounds really unstable and a bit crazy; he told me I don’t love him, I want him to hurt himself, I want him to kill himself; he threw himself around the room and I was afraid he’d hurt himself or break something; he banged his head against the floor; ripped at his clothes until he was half naked; writhed on the floor and curled up in a ball with panicked breathing and sobbing; demanded I hold his hands to make him feel safe; refused my offer of rescue remedy but then took it. These behaviours are all absolutely typical of when he gets like this. I didn’t know what to do but basically took the attitude I would with a tantruming toddler – being firm yet supportive, and trying to get him out of it without showing any emotion. However I was really torn as I didn’t want him to think behaving in this way is the way to control me or get my attention. I couldn’t seem to do anything right, whether I went near him or backed away. I was desperately trying to calm him as I was afraid he’d wake our housemates and I know when he gets like this he doesn’t care who’s watching and has no shame.

In the end I left him curled up in a ball on the floor and told him I was going to the bathroom but would come back. I was really shaken and panicky and didn’t know what to do. He was begging me not to leave him. When I returned about 2 minutes later he was in bed sobbing, saying he was only asking me to hold his hands because he felt so scared and panicked, and making out I’d been really heartless. I told him he’d really scared me, it was unacceptable and he should be in control of himself. He told me panic attacks just happen – I have experienced them too but I don’t think they necessarily mean lashing out at someone else! Then he was very apologetic, but I couldn’t stand to have him hug me, it just made my skin crawl.

I tried to sleep but couldn’t stand being near him, so tried to go to the spare room. He told me I shouldn’t; that he should; took my pillows off me so I couldn’t leave with them; begged me to stay. We tried again to talk but I was exhausted by now and said we should just go to sleep. He told me I am the one who holds all the power in this relationship, and that he did touch me when he was stopping me leaving the room, but it’s the closest we get to any intimacy these days. Admittedly we do have less sex since moving into a shared house.

This morning he told me he’d been up most of the night having panic attacks, and had to go for a walk to calm down at 5.30am (I did hear him go out then). He was very apologetic, asked me for a hug then got upset when I couldn’t bring myself to. He protested that he hasn’t got like this for ages (it used to happen much more regularly). He suggested we do relationship counselling ‘before we make any commitments’ – i.e. marriage (we’ve talked of this before) and I think it might be a good idea. I am a bit worried at the cost at an average of £50 though, and a little scared at what we might end up saying to one another.

I just don’t know what to do. Whenever this happens I ask myself what I am doing in this relationship. It makes me feel so vulnerable and frightened, and I don’t know what to do. I think he thinks that because he stops short of actually hitting me, it’s ok, or that because he’s panicking when he does it it’s not his fault. When I call it abusive he says I’m exaggerating. I desperately want him to be able to promise me it’ll never happen again but he says he can’t. I am really happy with the relationship otherwise, and excited to be marrying him but I am wondering if this can be overcome or if I should go on accepting that effectively I am with someone who’ll blow up like this from time to time?

Just to confirm, I am not looking for advice to leave him. I am looking for help in managing / eliminating this behaviour and how to address this issue.

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Saltedcaramel2014 · 15/06/2014 15:40

When I was with my ex every person who tried to warn me that something wasn't right pushed me closer to him. I defended him so passionately. It wasn't until every single person had stepped away, because it was too hard for them to watch that I realised they might be right, and him wrong. That's how powerful a hold a partner like this can have. I agree with what sundayliein says very well, character and personality is what you have, day to day. In any life, especially family life, there is stress, give yourself the gift of choosing a man who you can work through things with, laugh with, not someone who creates drama and pain about something as mundane as DIY.

Sapphire18 · 15/06/2014 15:41

Thank you - well it's still not quite certain in my mind. Either he gets help and we go ahead with the wedding; or he gets help and we postpone. That's the choice I'm between.

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Sapphire18 · 15/06/2014 15:41

Thank you - well it's still not quite certain in my mind. Either he gets help and we go ahead with the wedding; or he gets help and we postpone. That's the choice I'm between.

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skolastica · 15/06/2014 15:58

Jumping in to echo everyone else - cancel the wedding. Take time away from each other. If it is a relationship worth having, it'll still be there to pick up in two or three years time.

I was in an abusive relationship with a man I loved, never really thought I was rescuing him, but I did think I could handle it. If I was to advise my younger self it would be: no, no, no, no and no, you will always come second and there will be a lot of pain. It is also isolating and emotionally exhausting.

Sending you lots of love and hugs.

MyFirstName · 15/06/2014 16:03

Sunday that was a beautiful post. I too am glad you have your character by your side. I hope things improve and good luck with your pregnancy.

I would totally agree with you. It is your OH's character that is the most - if not really only - truly important thing. My OH has integrity, honesty, thoughtfulness, kindness and such a strength of character. He has deep, long standing friendships - I am not the only person who sees his inner "goodness" (for want of a better word). He is not perfect, we can irritate each other hugely. We row. But he has my back. I have his. This is what marriage is about. Everything Sunday wrote so eloquently.

I knew and still know that if I am sitting on the floor sobbing, hurting, in pain - he will be the one to put his arms around me and help me feel better. Make me feel better. I also know he will not have been the one to put me in that sobbing mess in the first place.

I am going through some counselling at the moment. I am telling him a lot of what I am discussing with the counsellor. I know he will never throw any of this back in my face.

I want to be old, holding hands with DH as we hobble to the park. I can envisage us doing it. And being happy with each other.

What do you see when you think of you and your DP in 5 years time? 10 years time? Will you be laughing and prodding each other in silliness when you are 70? Or still walking on eggshells? Can you really truly trust him again?

Itsfab · 15/06/2014 16:15
Sad

Seriously, you deserve better and your last post is just so worrying. You aren't even contemplating leaving him Sad.

No one can help you manage your fiancé as he is unmanageable.

MexicanSpringtime · 15/06/2014 16:18

Sunday an excellent post, thank you, we can all learn here. So glad you have the partner you have and that he has you.

AvonCallingBarksdale · 15/06/2014 16:22

Ach this is really hard.People here are not exaggerating the facts in order to "shock" you into action. These are real experiences of what your life will be like if you stay. Cancelling the wedding, not postponing, is what you need, but I don't think you're able to see that yet Sad

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LumpySpacedPrincess · 15/06/2014 17:09

What an excellent post Sunday, and so so true. When I was with my abusive ex the more stressful the situation the more he abused.

Dh and I have been through hell in some parts of our life but he is strong and capable. He supports me. He is on my side.

An abuser is never on your side, and never will be.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 15/06/2014 17:19

"Either he gets help and we go ahead with the wedding; or he gets help and we postpone. That's the choice I'm between".

First option is simply bonkers. How can you even marry a man who may or equally may not be at that time doing a Respect domestic violence perpetrator's course?. Why do you think even after talking to Respect that he still is receptive to being helped at all?. What is this person's own family background like?. You've perhaps never considered any of that either.

There is a third choice and that is to call the whole wedding off but that is one you still cannot countenance for your own reasons (lack of self worth, co-dependency in that you still put his needs and wants well in front of yours).

This person has really got his claws into you hasn't he?. He hit paydirt when he met you.

unrealhousewife · 15/06/2014 17:26

Sapphire by which date does he need to get help and what do you want to see changed?

Sapphire18 · 15/06/2014 17:36

He needs to get help immediately. So far he's enrolled on the relate affiliated course run by Barnardos, and worked through their online resources and work books. I presume this course will be about behaviour management strategies and I think some counselling to address root cause would be good too.

The change I need is for him to never get aggressive, controlling or abusive and never have one of those temper tantrums.

I'm not trying to be an idiot it's just as this is my own situation and very emotional I don't see it quite as Black and White as a stranger does.

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MyFirstName · 15/06/2014 17:38

How will you know if he gets cross, in say 7 years time, if it is just going to be him being cross (about the DIY, annoying next-door neighbour/whatever) - or if it will turn into one of those temper tantrums?

unrealhousewife · 15/06/2014 17:45

You make absolute sense. Don't give up as you won't be happy with yourself if you walk away.

Assuming he needs time to change I would say a years postponement would be fair.

Sorry to be blunt but are you still sleeping with him?

Lweji · 15/06/2014 17:48

The choice you should be making is whether to postpone or to cancel it.

I'd postpone for now, as it doesn't seem so final and see how he does, but away from him.
Then you can decide freely, without emotional pressure, and you will be safer.

But this is someone who did things to you that if a stranger or anyone else had done, you'd probably call the police on.
This is no different.

He has less respect for you than for his co-workers, or stranger. And he will lose the appearance of being a good man again whe he feels he's back in control or when you are vulnerable. He will.
More so because he knows you don't want to leave him.

Nobody should be in a relationship they can't leave. I don't want be be in a relationship where I feel trapped, ashamed to stop or that I'm too invested to leave. Particularly with an abuser.
And if you know he will abuse, then just walk out.

Would you buy a car that showed a fault during the road test? Would you buy it trusting that the vendor would fix it after you bought it?
Even if you had already given a non-refundable deposit?

Or would you buy a bad house, with serious subsidence, because you had already paid the valuation fee?

Fairenuff · 15/06/2014 17:49

The change I need is for him to never get aggressive, controlling or abusive and never have one of those temper tantrums.

But even if this happens, you are not going to know before the wedding. What you are saying is that you want him to

  1. Say that he recognises and admits that he is abusive towards you
  2. Say that he will get help to change and start doing that
  3. Say that he will never be aggressive, controlling or abusive again.

If he says all that, you will marry him.

So that's easy for him then. He can say it, of course he can.

But a few weeks is not long enough to prove that there has been any change at all.

How can you even think of marrying him so soon?

FunkyBoldRibena · 15/06/2014 17:50

The change I need is for him to never get aggressive, controlling or abusive and never have one of those temper tantrums

In that case, I diagnose that you need a different husband.

Sapphire18 · 15/06/2014 17:53

@unreal housewife I think I might do that. We're still in the same bed but not had sex since this happened. I find it hard to feel much affection for him at the moment.

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AdoraBell · 15/06/2014 17:56

Saphire just picking up on you saying he needs counseling for the root causes. Yes, he does. I also needed counseling for the issues from my childhood.

It took 3 years To unravell my issues, and I still haven't finished.

This cannot possibly be done in time for a wedding 2 months from now.

unrealhousewife · 15/06/2014 17:59

When you tell him, please make sure that you are either in public or have someone with you. If you are in a cafe or something don't go straight home as he may respond in a dangerous way.

He is very ill, his behaviour is that of a madman and you need to be prepared for the worst.

MooncupGoddess · 15/06/2014 18:00

'The change I need is for him to never get aggressive, controlling or abusive and never have one of those temper tantrums.'

But given that on average he only loses it about once every six months you wouldn't expect him to have an aggressive meltdown in the next two or three months anyway. You just won't have enough information either way by the date the wedding is scheduled for.

Sapphire18 · 15/06/2014 18:06

Moon cup goddess - Yes that's exactly my thinking. It's weighing up likelihood of something that's impossible to accurately predict without a crystal ball.

@unreal housewife - I know you mean well but that sounds rather sensationalist and isn't really reflective of the situation currently. I don't say this to have an argument but just trying to explain how I'm trying to juggle people's msgs on here with my real experience.

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Littletigers · 15/06/2014 18:14

For your own protection you should postpone.
Once you're married you're far more trapped in this.
This is a silly story that I'm embarrassed by but when I used to go to see my abusive ex, I used to pause at the tube and call a friend who lived on the same tube line to check they were in- in case I needed to get to their's later in a hurry if ex kicked off. WHAT possessed me to keep going to see someone and yet simultaneously check that I had an escape route?! At the time I didn't really think this was strange or stupid, which shows just how completely lost in cognitive dissonance a relationship that is abusive can make you. You've had nine years of it, no wonder it's so hard to think out of it.
Postpone the wedding. Protect yourself.