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DP directing aggressive panic attacks at me

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Sapphire18 · 09/06/2014 11:20

Sorry this is long - basis of it is my partner having panic attacks which are in the form of very aggressive behaviour. Here are the details:

I am looking for advice on a recurring problem with my fiancé. We have been together for 9 years and got engaged a few months ago. It was in the third year of our relationship (when we first lived together) that I first experienced him having a kind of panic attack in which he becomes very aggressive towards me. It has never got to the point of actual violence but this has happened several times and is always extremely scary, upsetting and leaves me feeling really shaken up and tearful. About two years ago it really got to the point where I gave him a sort of ultimatum and he did a stress management course. It seemed to help as he learned coping mechanisms like going for a walk when feeling stressed, and spotting the triggers / warning signs. Since he did the stress management course there have been considerably fewer of these incidents (e.g. once every 6-9 months?) however last night it happened again. The previous incident was 5 months ago.

To give you an idea of what actually happens – it’s usually triggered by his frustration that I am not listening to him / he can’t control or change something. E.g. the previous incident was his frustration at not being able to stop me feeling depressed. Last night it was that he thought I was not listening to him when he was trying to explain to me about a DIY problem we’ve been having.

He uses his physicality to stop me leaving the room when I am trying to end a conversation calmly or storm out in an argument. I have tried to explain I am using the same technique he learned in stress management but he thinks I am dismissing the conversation we’re having.

Last night I told him I didn’t want to talk about the DIY as he was using a very patronising tone with me (and it was almost midnight and I wanted to get ready for bed). He blocked me from leaving the room to go to the bathroom. I repeatedly asked him to move and he refused, saying he wanted to make me understand the DIY problem. I felt trapped and got up on the bed to get out of the room by a different route. He jumped up on the bed and held his arms around my legs so I couldn’t move. I told him he was hurting my knee (which is recovering from a bike accident) and he refused to let go. I repeatedly asked him but he wouldn’t so I pinched his ear and kicked him and hit him. Not hard enough to really hurt but as a warning / to make him let me go. He didn’t let go and got me down on the bed, I calmly told him I would count to 10 and then he was to let me go. I was really starting to panic but I thought if I do I will really lash out and then we’ll both get hurt, plus I am already injured from my bike accident. He let me go on 10 and I went to leave the room but he stood in the doorway and said he wouldn’t let me until I listened to him.

By now things were calmer and we were talking rather than shouting. I told him he must not ever use his physicality over me like that. He was still focused on our disagreement over the DIY and I told him that was so minor by comparison – what I was now concerned at was his bullying behaviour. I was quite assertive that he must never ever do that (but I’ve said that before). I thought we’d de-escalated things and then I can’t remember what happened but he flipped out having one of his panic attacks. When this happens he adopts a really weird tone of voice, sounds really unstable and a bit crazy; he told me I don’t love him, I want him to hurt himself, I want him to kill himself; he threw himself around the room and I was afraid he’d hurt himself or break something; he banged his head against the floor; ripped at his clothes until he was half naked; writhed on the floor and curled up in a ball with panicked breathing and sobbing; demanded I hold his hands to make him feel safe; refused my offer of rescue remedy but then took it. These behaviours are all absolutely typical of when he gets like this. I didn’t know what to do but basically took the attitude I would with a tantruming toddler – being firm yet supportive, and trying to get him out of it without showing any emotion. However I was really torn as I didn’t want him to think behaving in this way is the way to control me or get my attention. I couldn’t seem to do anything right, whether I went near him or backed away. I was desperately trying to calm him as I was afraid he’d wake our housemates and I know when he gets like this he doesn’t care who’s watching and has no shame.

In the end I left him curled up in a ball on the floor and told him I was going to the bathroom but would come back. I was really shaken and panicky and didn’t know what to do. He was begging me not to leave him. When I returned about 2 minutes later he was in bed sobbing, saying he was only asking me to hold his hands because he felt so scared and panicked, and making out I’d been really heartless. I told him he’d really scared me, it was unacceptable and he should be in control of himself. He told me panic attacks just happen – I have experienced them too but I don’t think they necessarily mean lashing out at someone else! Then he was very apologetic, but I couldn’t stand to have him hug me, it just made my skin crawl.

I tried to sleep but couldn’t stand being near him, so tried to go to the spare room. He told me I shouldn’t; that he should; took my pillows off me so I couldn’t leave with them; begged me to stay. We tried again to talk but I was exhausted by now and said we should just go to sleep. He told me I am the one who holds all the power in this relationship, and that he did touch me when he was stopping me leaving the room, but it’s the closest we get to any intimacy these days. Admittedly we do have less sex since moving into a shared house.

This morning he told me he’d been up most of the night having panic attacks, and had to go for a walk to calm down at 5.30am (I did hear him go out then). He was very apologetic, asked me for a hug then got upset when I couldn’t bring myself to. He protested that he hasn’t got like this for ages (it used to happen much more regularly). He suggested we do relationship counselling ‘before we make any commitments’ – i.e. marriage (we’ve talked of this before) and I think it might be a good idea. I am a bit worried at the cost at an average of £50 though, and a little scared at what we might end up saying to one another.

I just don’t know what to do. Whenever this happens I ask myself what I am doing in this relationship. It makes me feel so vulnerable and frightened, and I don’t know what to do. I think he thinks that because he stops short of actually hitting me, it’s ok, or that because he’s panicking when he does it it’s not his fault. When I call it abusive he says I’m exaggerating. I desperately want him to be able to promise me it’ll never happen again but he says he can’t. I am really happy with the relationship otherwise, and excited to be marrying him but I am wondering if this can be overcome or if I should go on accepting that effectively I am with someone who’ll blow up like this from time to time?

Just to confirm, I am not looking for advice to leave him. I am looking for help in managing / eliminating this behaviour and how to address this issue.

OP posts:
FairPhyllis · 12/06/2014 17:21

Calling his abuse of you a flaw is a terribly dangerous minimisation.

I give up. You are going to be married and pregnant before the year is out. And then you really will feel trapped when he ramps up the abuse.

Littletigers · 12/06/2014 17:26

It's a big flaw!
What are family relationships like? My nan can see straight through me, I'd never be able to lie to her or hide my feelings.
I'm so cross to hear he's too anxious to sleep/ work- putting far more pressure on you. Subtext: you, making a fuss about my abuse, have made me too anxious to function and you need to feel guilty.
29-30 is young. When I was that age I thought all my time to settle down was running out. It wasn't!
Please talk to your family. Why do you feel the need to protect him? He didn't feel the need to protect you.

Littletigers · 12/06/2014 17:29

Ps re: babies- without having had one, you have no idea about the impact a child arriving had on even the most stable and happy of relationships. It's a massive trial and a baby can drive anyone to the brink.
If he already expects your undivided attention and focus, he will go berserk when you put your child before him.

Lioninthesun · 12/06/2014 17:36

Yes, please do not have a baby within a year if you do end up marrying this man. He will not take well to it. I promise.
You will feel you have to choose between the two constantly. He will tell you that you have changed and become boring, you don't have time for him any more, you love the baby more than him - it will go on and on. He will have mood swings/anxiety from one day to the next and you will never know if you and the baby are 100% safe. Please don't do that to a child.

tobiasfunke · 12/06/2014 17:37

Another delurker here. I am in my forties and have seen at least 3 close friends lives ruined by marrying men who were abusive or had serious issues. They knew what they were like before they married them but with the optimism of youth thought they could 'fix' them. They felt a misplaced responsibility to help them, and were too embarassed to call off the weddings and then it became all too much to bale out. Now, in hindsight they wished they had- it would've saved them a hell of a lot of heartache.

Your DP hasn't a flaw he has a major problem. Whether he has mental health issues or is just plain abusive he will never be the person you want him to be.

You don't want to tell your parents- I understand that but if you showed your mother this thread I can guarantee she would make you call the wedding off. Hiding this problem is only making it worse for both you and your DP.

CookieMonsterIsHot · 12/06/2014 17:39

For work I once had training on avoiding blackmail, extortion etc. A big message was, if you find yourself trying to hide something, you need to take a deep breath and speak up immediately. Doesn't matter what it is. Hiding things makes you vulnerable. Openness gets you help. Openness is always the least bad option.

Your DP is much more likely to stick to the dv course if other people know he is doing it.

He is more likely to control his rage around you if he knows other people are watching for signs of you being abused.

He is more likely to be in the 30% if he knows he has to prove himself to friends and family.

You are more likely to tell him where to get off if you know other people are keeping an eye on you both.

If you hide what he is doing you make him much less likely to succeed.

Sapphire18 · 12/06/2014 17:39

@sonjadog your post about your mum saying that has really opened my eyes. When I was 7 the boy next door, who was my friend, sexually abused me and I never found the words. I believed him that I shouldn't tell me mum.

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SaskiaRembrandtWasFramed · 12/06/2014 17:41

Sapphire - you say you don't want to tell your family because they will think less of him. The chances are they already know something isn't right.

AdoraBell · 12/06/2014 17:43

And if you have twins, like I Did, then the feeding and nappies leaves no time for anything else. Literaly. Mine arrived a little early and were good weights at birth for twins but still small and therefore weak. It took a full hour to feed one. And they fed every two hours. That meant that just feeding them was a 24 hour a day Job in the early months.

I'm not complaining, but DH and I were both exhausted as he Did as many night feeds as I Did. He also took 6 weeks off work and hired a cleaner for when he returned to work.

Do you realistically think your partner would do the same, and with good grace?

In case you are thinking you have no risk of having twins, neither Did I. No history of twins in either family. As my Dr told me, the history if twins in the family has To start somewhere.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/06/2014 17:47

"Why would I choose to spend my life with him? Well, because I see beyond this behaviour, to the man I love, to someone who is my best friend, who apart from this flaw is my soulmate. If he can suceed at the programme I want him in my future.

Isn't success at this programme a possibility?"

Not in your man's case. He is truly a master manipulator who has got you now well and truly tied up in knots.

This is a flaw in his character?!. That is Denial Big Time on your part right there.

His behaviour towards you is the real him. That's why your sibling hates him; that person has been perceptive in picking up the vibes and feels uneasy.

Your man loves himself more and feels entitled to abuse you. He does this as well because he can and he sees you purely as a possession to use and abuse as he sees fit. He certainly wants to marry you so he can further trap you. I do not think he actually knows what the meaning of love is, you certainly have not got that with him and the whole idea of soulmates re him is a complete romantic fallacy. It makes me think you've also been emotionally abused throughout this relationship as well; he's made you also believe that you're nothing and cannot survive in the wild without him.

AdoraBell · 12/06/2014 17:47

That boy has made you feel that you shouldn't tell your Mum anything. He was wrong. You should and can tell your Mum about what is and has been going on.

tobiasfunke · 12/06/2014 17:49

Please please at the very least send your OP to your Mum. Once you have someone to talk to some of the burden will be lifted.

CookieMonsterIsHot · 12/06/2014 17:50

Has he:

A) Moved out until he himself can be sure he won't lose control around you again? This would demonstrate that he cares more about you than himself.

Or

B) not offered to leave, asked you to stay, said he can't live without you, he needs you, he is in so much pain? This would demonstrate he cares more about himself than you.

Zucker · 12/06/2014 17:51

Just a thought about your family and the excitement about the plans for the big day. They're excited I imagine because you were excited about it all. If your family are like most its the excitement FOR you that you are seeing. If they thought for a second you were unhappy what would they think?

AdoraBell · 12/06/2014 17:51

Also, what you experienced aged 7 will have effected your sense of self worth, and it is well known that abusive people seek out vulnerable people To abuse.

CookieMonsterIsHot · 12/06/2014 17:54

Tell your mum. Pick up the phone right now. Once you've done that everything else will become magically easier.

Littletigers · 12/06/2014 17:58

I agree, tell your mum. If my daughter rang me to say this I'd be at her side like a shot.
Don't let your 'soulmate' become your cellmate

OxfordBags · 12/06/2014 17:58

So your male best friend - a child's version of a 'soul mate' abused you, and convinced you that you didn't need to tell your mum, ie I bet he normalised it, justified it, and made you feel like you'd made him do it.

And do you see any patterns repeating themselves here in your adult life... ?

Wadingthroughsoup · 12/06/2014 18:10

This is so much more than a 'flaw' OP- it's an integral part of who he is.

A flaw would be maybe being a bit lazy, or not a brilliant communicator, or something like that. ie, something that can often be worked around in a relationship that is otherwise really good. Something that doesn't involve control and cruelty and fear.

It doesn't matter how good the rest of it is, how nice he is at other times, the times when it is not good or nice are not just 'a bit crap', they are actually damaging and dangerous.

I understand that you want to give him a chance. That's fine- you can do that- but giving him a chance can (and should) involve living totally separate lives while he tries to sort his shit out. 'Giving him a chance' by walking up the aisle with him in two months' time is a huge, massive risk.

I really hope you can be honest with your family. It sounds as though they will be very keen to support you.

magoria · 12/06/2014 18:26

Be as honest as you can with your parents.

There is a big problem which is making you put the wedding on hold until it is resolved. You understand they want to know more but you are not ready to talk about it and would appreciate their understanding and acceptance until you are.

Do you think your parents would rather you

a. Got married so they didn't waste their flight money knowing what you know and divorcing in a few years because it has not improved. Leaving them feeling partially shit and to blame?

b. Postponed the wedding and lose a few £100s but potentially save £1000s on a shitty divorce (dragging kids through it) and maybe your life (literally, not kidding).

CookieMonsterIsHot · 12/06/2014 18:29

I am dreading this weekend ... I know there'll be so many questions

If you tell your mum now, she'll have time to process the information before the weekend. You and she can work out together what to say to everyone, even if you decide to hide it from everyone else and marry him anyway.

Are you stuck for the words? Maybe send her this thread. Clicking send only takes a couple of seconds of resolve.

SauceForTheGander · 12/06/2014 18:31

OP - you don't want people in RL to know about him because you'll be forced to accept how wrong he is and you don't want to pull down the house of cards. You won't be able to our to yourself anymore. A person is how they behave - not whet they say.

As for being gossiped about - people don't really. This is a huge thing in your life but people move on quickly. In my experience people are very respectful of couple who call things off as it shows courage and integrity.

sonjadog · 12/06/2014 18:35

I'm glad it made an effect, OP. I have found it valuable when in situations I haven't been sure how to handle.

I don't know if it is worth anything in this case, but the other piece of advice she gave me that I have found invaluable is to be very sceptical of men that other men don't speak well of. Does your partner have many friends? What do your own male friends think of him? I think we can often pick up things about our own sex that we can't about the opposite sex. I know that when male friends of mine have been unenthusiastic about a man I've dated, I have taken it very seriously. And they have been right to be unenthusiastic every time.

It might be that your childhood experiences are affecting your response now and you are getting back into the role of the little girl who couldn't tell her mum? Wouldn't it be great to share the burden and tell her? If you would find a phonecall difficult, then why not email her what you have in your post at the top and then talk when she has read it?

crazyboots · 12/06/2014 18:38

Totally agree with Sauce anyone who thinks about it will think you are strong, in control of your life and respect yourself for calling off a wedding which you felt wasn't right for whatever reason. Most people will realise what an enormously difficult and brave decision this would be and much harder in the very short term than going through with it.

But most people won't think very much about it at all. It will only fuel the most ardent gossip for a couple of weeks and isn't that worth for a lifetime free of fear and intimidation?

CookieMonsterIsHot · 12/06/2014 19:52

Sapphire I assume you have moved back in with him and you are both home from work now so you won't be posting until you are away from him at work tomorrow or locked in the bathroom tonight.

Your resolve will weaken after an evening and overnight with him. He'll try every trick in the book.

Come back and talk to us anyway please.

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