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When the OW comes to your house......................

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Beehive52 · 02/06/2014 18:57

Long time MN have name changed as am known to some of you very well on other talkboards..... Bit of a long story - basically my husband changed jobs a couple of years ago due to cuts at work. He is a senior professional, very well known in his field, we have been married 20 years, two children, boys, 18 and 15. We relocated to a different part of the country, uprooting away from an area we loved and were loved. No family here, just spent the past year getting children settled in schools etc. I am now an SAHM, dependent on his income. Right from the word go, an invisible barrier went up, we went through the motions, not particularly happy or unhappy, I gave up my job, began job hunting, etc when we moved here. All through the year, my instincts were telling me something was wrong. Little hints, messages 'this colleague' had been to visit in the house when I wasn't there etc. Nothing specific. Asked him whether he was having an affair, answer always no.

A phone call from 'the colleague' six months on revealed a two year affair. A deep emotional affair which had started before we moved house. Myself and the children blissfully unaware. She told me. He didnt, but confessed all, how he had been lonely working away, ( we lived apart for nearly 2 years whilst eldest was in year 10) felt disconnected from me, the usual bollocks. He went to docs and is on high dose anti depressants. But I agreed to counselling because I do love him. and acknowledged the marriage had been in the doldrums for some time and we had never addressed it. We both admitted neglect of the marriage. We are both good parents, we have always been good friends through some very difficult times. Not enough. Six months of counselling with relate, some tough talking, very hard on the children. I thought progress was being made, some days away together, better, open relationship and better and active sex life. Last weekend I opened the door to her standing there. She barged in, insisted on talking to him,horrible showdown with myself and children present. He stood there like a rabbit caught in headlights and EVEN THEN I didn't realise. Over that weekend, a stray email revealed a secret email account, full of intimate messages and photos, all going back to the original phone call in October.

I kicked him out and now know we need to separate. I so wanted to forgive him, to move on with him and truly wanted to believe he was over it all. I wanted to believe it was her instigating it all, and manipulating him. Emails proved he was infatuated with her. He appeared last weekend, shattered, forlorn, ill, and begged me not to give up on him... that she was an obsession, a fantasy and that he loved me and our children. I now feel that I am back to where I was in October - bereft, deeply hurt and not sleeping with high anxiety.

I know what I have to do, please give me the push I need.

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mammadiggingdeep · 03/06/2014 15:42

I'm also a bit surprised at your decision to show him this thread!

Do you think some words from strangers on the Internet would make him realise how disgusting he's been?

He knew how disgusting his behaviour was. He knew how disrespectful he was. He chose to betray you. Over and over again.

He is beyond 'help' if you ask me and quite frankly why would you want to waste your time, love and compassion on somebody who has given you none.

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RandomFriend · 03/06/2014 16:13

OP, I am sorry that this is happening to you.

If you want to provide him with some reading, may I recommend the following books:

Not Just Friends by Shirley Glass

and

How can I ever trust you again

There is also a good website that has lots of material, some of which may be useful www.dearpeggy.com/

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BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 03/06/2014 16:21

You've sent him links to posts in this thread? What on earth do you think you can achieve by doing that? To say nothing of the betrayal of trust to people on here who have given you their insight and confidences. it's all going to be used against you and in order to re-write history and will achieve nothing, absolutely nothing in changing him or his vile behaviour.

I know you're in a really bad place at the moment, and understandably so, but you are hurtling towards one far, far worse now.

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FreeLikeABird · 03/06/2014 16:25

I'm sorry your going through this op.
There are some very wise words on here.

I don't think the op has linked to the thread, I think she means she has copy and pasted the links people have put up.

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ThatVikRinA22 · 03/06/2014 16:33

i would be using his time away to see a solicitor and begin going through the motions of separation - dont think too much about it - just see a solicitor and do as they say.

he has had his chance - he has blown it.

my dsis went through this - her dh strung her along for months because he was weak and didnt know what he wanted. in the end she chose for him.

i think you have all you need to know - im so sorry but you need him to not be there.

is moving back to where you have family and friends an option when the kids are finished school/college etc?

see a solicitor while he is away.

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toyoungtodie · 03/06/2014 16:42

Your DP is utterly despicable, but you keep saying that you still love him. You need to decide exactly what YOU want now. If you reject him at this point this weak chap will undoubtably end up with the OW , who has demonstrated she has no morals at all. When the dust settles you may find that you have this awful woman in your lives. (My friend has had her Ex plus his new partner attending the wedding of her sons, baptisms etc and her new DIL who gets on well with the OW, entertaining the OW etc yuck! )
If you want to save this marriage then you have to show courage and restraint. Marriages do survive affairs and if you can still see yourselves walking hand in hand with this weak chap as a couple of pensioners, then you know yourself what to do. From what you say in your posts it strikes me that you are wavering about. Despite what has happened I think you know what you want to do and that is work at it.
I don't want the despicable OW to have your husbands pension or years later to have a relationship with your children and future DIL or SIL who don't know what you have been through.

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Beehive52 · 03/06/2014 16:51

Sorry to confuse, no I haven't linked to the thread, the support on here too useful and valuable... Thank you all. I did copy the link re entitlement that's all. Hope I haven't betrayed any confidence or caused offence.

I am wavering about because I can't get my head around moving forward without him we have been together for so long and most of the marriage was a good one. I know what you are all telling me and I appreciate it. I have spent afternoon organising finances and made appointment to see my relate counsellor on my own and found a family law solicitor. Some progress!

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AnyFucker · 03/06/2014 16:59

That is good progress, OP. Take it at the pace you can cope with.

TYTD, you are talking like this man is some prize to be "won". A very slippery slope. Personally, in any competition for a man like this, I feel the "victor" gets the booby prize. A deceitful, weak, untrustworthy, cheating man.

OP, you have no need to raise your game to keep this man with you and stop him from going to OW. What would that entail, after all ? I shudder to think. If he is going to go, he will go and best thing you could possibly do for the future health of your self respect is not to demean yourself by "fighting" for a relationship he has already exited.

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ajandjjmum · 03/06/2014 17:10

How feasible would it be for you to move back to the area where you have family and friends, once your DC have completed their current exams?

So sorry you're going through this.

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Beehive52 · 03/06/2014 17:54

No, I really don't see him as a prize to fight for - I'm done with that now, I can see that, he has thrown back the gift of forgiveness and trashed my feelings so utterly I don't know how he can still stand up. However, I am concerned for his general health and well being - the last time I saw him I felt he was heading for a break down- his own fault, but even so hard watching him utterly unravel to be almost unrecognisable. I am not defending him, just trying to show human decency.

At one Relate session, we did discuss whether I felt I could go it alone, looking into the abyss as she described it. I know at my age- I am 52, hideously menopausal (!!!!!!!!!!!), jobless, and completely dependent on him. Any man I may or may not meet in the future would have baggage, and we talked about if it was 'better the devil you know' - some option eh? I know I have to find my inner strength and become the fun, lively and loving person I used to be, not the one crucified by anxiety and doubt - this all comes after being 'transplanted' from my lovely former home as well, but I have shown we can survive. I have considered moving back, and it would be a possibility, however due to the children's stages in education, not sure if it is feasible, however intend to go back over the summer and see if going back is an option.

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Lovingfreedom · 03/06/2014 18:11

Don't worry...he will be fine...it's all part of the 'poor me' routine. Concentrate on looking after yourself. Good luck x

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mammadiggingdeep · 03/06/2014 18:13

Better the devil you know?!?! How about the counsellor support you in being able to see a future where you wouldn't be dependent on any man. Happily single.

Jeez....

You should ask for a redund. Fucking hell!!!!

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toyoungtodie · 03/06/2014 18:14

Anyfucker I don't think that I am suggesting at all that this bloke is a prize to be won. I read carefully what the OP said and responded. The fact that she said that she appreciated what I said shows that my opinion resonated with her. I have lived for a long time and have seen my friends go through all sorts of traumas in their marriages. I have experienced men and women say to me that they can't live without the OW and OM , and then six months later ,when it is too late and they have made the biggest mistake of their lives, bitterly regret not trying harder. Second and third marriages don't always seem any happier. Relationships are not black and white. You are lucky if you can find someone as a life partner,( if that's what you want) who is your equal intellectually, emotionally and spiritually and sexually satisfying. Most of us have to compromise and we know it.

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captainmummy · 03/06/2014 18:16

Agreed, mamma. OP - I am 53 with 3 boys (all doing exams too this year - in fact they have actually finished theirs now) and have no desire to live with another man, ever.

I'm happy, independant.

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Guiltypleasures001 · 03/06/2014 18:24

Oh Bee

You asked for a kick up the arse so here it is Thanks

He doesn't need to minimise and make excuses because fuck me love your doing a bang up job for him right now.

She walked in your house ne barged in? In front of your children and caused a scene and he stood there like a fucking rabbit aught in head lights. And you let her? You let some back stabbing husband shagging bitch in to your territory to face you and your CHILDREN down and he stood there and you took it.

What the utter fuck, pack his sorry arse bags cut the oh but I love him shit out for a minute, and think about what the two of them have down to your babies yet alone you.

He's on a jolly, oh but he doesn't really want to be there, and oh how we laughed, the poor mite must be so stressed with all this constant attention from two women fighting over his carcus.

Get some self respect and a shit hot solicitor and put an end to this farce. Your kids deserve better than this apart from you, he moved you away and isolated you, it was all planned like hers was for her poor sodding husband. He's 60 she won't want to be his carer and wipe up his drool when he is older, she's already proved that with her dh. When he comes back to you because no one else will get his pipe and slippers or change his adult diaper tell him to get to fuck.

Thanks For you

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Nevergrowingup · 03/06/2014 18:29

You say that most of the marriage has been good.

After reading what has happened, I can see that it may have been good in the sense you have beautiful DCs. However, over time, you may have got used to things being a certain way and even although its not been bad, its not been that good either. Your acceptance of a second rate relationship has built up over time.

So what if you are menopausal? It doesn't give him the right to disrespect you. It is, to my mind, irrelevant in your story.

I can understand your feelings towards him when you see him so dishevelled and needy. All part of the script with these dicks. Let his obsession sort him out. Let her take him on and have the relationship without all the thrill of an affair. Your priority must be your DCs, not him.

As for your MIL. Haha!! I know a few professional Christians - their interpretation of the bible is something I don't recognise. As the line in the Simpsons goes... when Ned Flander's wife goes to Bible College and Homer comments that she has gone there to learn how to be more judgemental.

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badbaldingballerina123 · 03/06/2014 18:42

My heart sank when you described your mil as a professional Christian. Unfortunately I know exactly what you mean. If you run a Google search phrased sons of narcissistic mothers it will probably describe your husband accurately.

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Beehive52 · 03/06/2014 19:29

Thanks for another spot on link, really sums him and her up completely. Since she was widowed she hasn't been out of our marriage, is ultra precious about her blood relatives but clearly couldn't give a crap about me, her daughter in law of 20 years. She has never contacted me since October. Not once. It explains a lot about his ongoing fog relationship with her.

I think in such a long marriage you do get attuned to each other and happily co-exist without realising there could be more. The affair originally shone a light on the areas of our marriage requiring input and attention. You can probably guess that I too, have a 'faith' and understanding and forgiveness are a big part of that, I am not a holier than thou type, or a professional like my MIL.

Thanks for the kick up the butt. Today has given me endless food for thought and a clearer pathway and insight into everythingFlowers Wine

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Beehive52 · 03/06/2014 19:32

Ps I loved the quote from the Simpsons. Thank God for Homer.

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RosegoldRuby · 03/06/2014 19:47

"Best narc is an uneducated one"
Agree wholeheartedly. Best off if they are navel gazing, admiringly. Do NOT want them getting any, erm, insight. No that's the wrong word. They never get true insight.

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Hissy · 03/06/2014 20:36

Grin

Any inside knowledge as to how a Narc operates, if it falls into the hands of one, only serves to make him/her better at it. It hones their skills as it were.

My dear Beehive my ex had narc tendencies, and was manipulative and actually abusive. While yours may have stopped short of that, their sense of entitlement is similar (just how they exercised it that was different)

The day I got rid of him, he utterly unravelled before my very eyes, cycling between anger, defiance, sadness, SELF pity, nastiness, niceness and lovey-dovey.

It was the most disturbing and shocking thing i'd seen up till that point. Took me a long time to fully process. Long after i'd wheelspun away left Heathrow T2.

Stay focused on getting through this. One day none of this will hurt. To get there you have to go through all the waves of other emotions, sadness, grieving, anger, fury, hatred, fear, numbness (in no particular order)

Whatever you feel, remember you're right to feel it, allow yourself to feel it, understand it, process it and tell yourself that it'll pass.

One by one these waves will pass over you and you'll feel stronger on the other side.

There will be setbacks, but you will get through them too.

Be kind to yourself, and forgive yourself of everything. You didn't break anything here.

It will be ok in the end.
If it's not ok yet, then it's not the end.

Trite, but somehow it works!
(((hug)))

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Beehive52 · 03/06/2014 22:25

Thanks for your insight hissy so much you have all said about narcs rings true. As I said before I would not have wanted his upbringing and I am sure his repressed behaviour stems from that - vicars son!!!!

Your kind words have really touched me, I do feel very isolated here with few RL friends, which again is something I need to work on, too much reliance on him instead of developing my own independence. I feel so old!
It is making the strength to face these things head on which you have all shown me on this thread. Thank you!

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badbaldingballerina123 · 04/06/2014 00:28

You are a better person than me Op , because I would have sent the contents of those emails to mil , and to anyone else involved. I would be very concerned that mil and ow are now allies . That's the last thing you want. The problem is Op , these narc types are morally corrupt. In these scenarios sometimes your biggest strength becomes your biggest weakness. They don't give a toss and they act confidently , knowing that your own morals won't allow you to stooping to their level. I would've pulverized ow. Nice moral people like yourself are ideal fodder for these types. You may have to step out of your comfort zone when dealing with this bunch from now on. I lost literally everything in similar circumstances , because I was too nice. And I never did get a badge for it.

Your husband sounds like he's been weak his entire life , tied to his mother's apron strings , and too cowardly to tell her to butt out of his marriage. I suspect the weakness and cowardice has been there all along. Women like this often produce what is known as covert narcissists, kiss ass types who are desperate for approval. All narc factors are there , just hidden.I urge you to try to look back over your marriage and look for signs of weakness , cowardice , lying ect. I bet he left you to deal with mil while he stood behind you quivering.

I also wouldn't be surprised if ow is not too dissimilar to mil. Kick his butt Op. Your job now is to defend your dcs. There's no prize , medal , or reward for allowing ow to behave as she did in your home. See a solicitor asap and get the ball rolling. As awful as it is , you will get through it . If I did anyone can.

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DioneTheDiabolist · 04/06/2014 01:19

Read your posts back Beehive. He has been telling you a story about how everybody stopped him from stopping the affair. How he did everything he could. Other than stop fucking and planning a future with OW.Angry

He listened as you laid yourself bare in counselling and his responses were all lies. He has not been "stupid". He has lied to you for years. Clever, premeditated lies so he "could have his cake and eat it". This was not "a mistake".

I understand you wanting to hope Beehive, but the reality is your marriage is over.Sad. Therapy cannot save it. But it can help you deal with it / and hold your hand while you do, so it's a really good idea for you to continue to see your counsellor alone, especially if you are away from your support network.

The future won't always be easy, but it will be better than staying with your DH. In time you will have new, better hopes for the future. I wish you strength and comfort in the times ahead.Smile

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Beehive52 · 04/06/2014 07:05

Thanks again for posting. I am not quite the 'moral type' or Saint you might think, firstly I did send copies of emails to MIL on discovery last week. I told her she was a disgusting hypocrite in her collusion with OW and that if either of my kids fucked up their exams because of the stress of her sons behaviour she would be culpabable. I questioned her own morality and asked her how she could behave in such a way. Won't make any difference but I copied emails also to her other son, (the PFb) so he can see how she has colluded and manipulated. No response.

As for OW. I sent her back copies of her own emails so she knows I've seen them and got copies including one of her baked and her professional address which was on the email. I've told her about my husbands duplicitous life, simultaneously shagging us both, as I firmly believe she thought he was in the spare room... I also asked her to get an STI check and let ME know if there are any problems and also hinted that they way she has behaved could be construed by their boss as nepotism and professional misconduct...and that the emails proved that they had been away shagging on work time=public taxpayers money.

I have not been silent.

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