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When the OW comes to your house......................

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Beehive52 · 02/06/2014 18:57

Long time MN have name changed as am known to some of you very well on other talkboards..... Bit of a long story - basically my husband changed jobs a couple of years ago due to cuts at work. He is a senior professional, very well known in his field, we have been married 20 years, two children, boys, 18 and 15. We relocated to a different part of the country, uprooting away from an area we loved and were loved. No family here, just spent the past year getting children settled in schools etc. I am now an SAHM, dependent on his income. Right from the word go, an invisible barrier went up, we went through the motions, not particularly happy or unhappy, I gave up my job, began job hunting, etc when we moved here. All through the year, my instincts were telling me something was wrong. Little hints, messages 'this colleague' had been to visit in the house when I wasn't there etc. Nothing specific. Asked him whether he was having an affair, answer always no.

A phone call from 'the colleague' six months on revealed a two year affair. A deep emotional affair which had started before we moved house. Myself and the children blissfully unaware. She told me. He didnt, but confessed all, how he had been lonely working away, ( we lived apart for nearly 2 years whilst eldest was in year 10) felt disconnected from me, the usual bollocks. He went to docs and is on high dose anti depressants. But I agreed to counselling because I do love him. and acknowledged the marriage had been in the doldrums for some time and we had never addressed it. We both admitted neglect of the marriage. We are both good parents, we have always been good friends through some very difficult times. Not enough. Six months of counselling with relate, some tough talking, very hard on the children. I thought progress was being made, some days away together, better, open relationship and better and active sex life. Last weekend I opened the door to her standing there. She barged in, insisted on talking to him,horrible showdown with myself and children present. He stood there like a rabbit caught in headlights and EVEN THEN I didn't realise. Over that weekend, a stray email revealed a secret email account, full of intimate messages and photos, all going back to the original phone call in October.

I kicked him out and now know we need to separate. I so wanted to forgive him, to move on with him and truly wanted to believe he was over it all. I wanted to believe it was her instigating it all, and manipulating him. Emails proved he was infatuated with her. He appeared last weekend, shattered, forlorn, ill, and begged me not to give up on him... that she was an obsession, a fantasy and that he loved me and our children. I now feel that I am back to where I was in October - bereft, deeply hurt and not sleeping with high anxiety.

I know what I have to do, please give me the push I need.

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Beehive52 · 03/06/2014 08:31

Thanks for all your messages and support, what lovely people you are Flowers and so sad to read others are going through/have been through same.

When I found the hidden email account it was if the exchange had been written by teenagers, endless lust, intimate photos, her plans, always her plans for their future...telling colleagues, holidays, house hunting, suggestions of places to go for their next shag. When she came to the house, I was in shock and politely told her that it wasn't appropriate ..she raced to the back door and I found her in the kitchen. I asked her to leave and threatened her with the police. My husband couldn't react to her other than asking her to go. She wanted 'support' and watched as I refused to give up my space and he floundered around telling me he loved me but couldn't live with me. She verbally abused me in front of the children. Strangely, and unlike me, rather than arguing I kept my dignity and gave her nothing. I wanted him to see her as the creature she is.
When my husband left the room, I left too, and left high and dry she left too. These are two well respected people, intelligent and both with reputations to lose, they acted like infants. Her message was clearly to tell me to back off. I guess the angry side of me doesn't want to see her win (not the right word) but I don't want to settle for such a weak, spineless man either.

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Beehive52 · 03/06/2014 08:38

Oh and just to say I did kick him out and packed all his bags etc for him to collect the next day. He is now living at his mothers...that in itself is some punishment believe me. The emails revealed that MIL and OW are all cosies up full of mutual adoration. That betrayal is a whole new thread.

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mammadiggingdeep · 03/06/2014 09:31

Oh beehive. I cannot believe what you've been through.

I hope you find the strength to end it. As you say, 'win' is not the right word. He is not a prize in any way, shape or form.

You will feel empowered by putting an end to this merry go round of heart ache. I promise. As much as it hurts, it's such a relief to make it end.

Flowers xx

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NickiFury · 03/06/2014 09:33

Obsession? Fantasy? No just another seedy work place affair that happens every single day. He's some piece of work this one with his tears and "pain", he's actually got you all running around and dancing to his "it's all so hard for ME!" tune.

There's nothing special about her, that's just what he tells himself to justify his beyond pathetic infatuation and lack of will power.

Put Him The Fuck Out of your home away from you and your beautiful children, how dare he bring his seediness and current shag to your door and then try to dress it up as out of his control.

He is shagging his work colleague. Nothing more special than that.

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WilsonFrickett · 03/06/2014 09:37

Don't focus on her, I know she has behaved appallingly, but she owes you nothing - it is your husband who has betrayed your trust and broken your family. It's not about her 'winning' - and who would want to win such a prize after all? - it's about you, what you do next, how you emerge from this situation. Nicki is right - this isn't some special grand passion, tug-of-love situation. This is a weak, spineless man having a seedy workplace affair.

The MIL thing sounds appalling - but perhaps you can begin to see where he gets his sense of entitlement from?

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Beehive52 · 03/06/2014 10:20

thank you all.

My MIL is a piece of work. I will use the term 'professional Christian' to give you a clue. I wouldn't have wanted his upbringing for the world -always being seen to be doing the right thing..... Can you explain exactly what entitlement means in this situation, not being thick, just might help explain things more clearly.

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bleedingheart · 03/06/2014 10:22

Everyone who has these type of affairs follows the same tortuous cliches, regardless of status or education. Desperation and delusion all the way.
OW may not 'owe' you anything but she is despicable too. How can he find a woman who would be so offensive and upsetting to his children (never mind the woman he 'loves') in any way attractive?
As for the MIL, well your kids aren't going to be too fond of Granny if they find out are they?
Disgusting.
Stay angry. Copy everything. Secure an income.

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mammadiggingdeep · 03/06/2014 10:22

'Professional Christian' oh my!!!!!!!

Heard it all now.

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bleedingheart · 03/06/2014 10:24

Your H thinks he can still see you both, keep his job, keep his business profile, have his cake and eat it. He wants things his own way and if he doesn't get it, he's 'depressed.'

MIL thinks her DS can treat you like this because he is entitled to 'be happy' or he is the breadwinner, so is allowed his perks.

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MissScatterbrain · 03/06/2014 10:25

Entitlement is a common trait in cheaters. Along with selfishness.

You have done the right thing in showing him the door. That way he is experiencing real consequences and you get the space to process your own feelings and thoughts.

You may find this article helpful in making some sense of what is going on.

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Beehive52 · 03/06/2014 10:26

The children already know about Granny and eldest has told her she no longer wishes to see her as I did some months ago when I found out she and OW were now BFFs going to church together. We were once such a close knit ( on the surface) "respectable" family it is all so shattering.

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MissScatterbrain · 03/06/2014 10:27
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WilsonFrickett · 03/06/2014 10:41

Great articles MissS. OP, you should give them a click - they explain entitlement better than I ever could.

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Beehive52 · 03/06/2014 10:50

Brilliant! And thank you for linking, really helpful and absolutely spot on. It is the lack of humility I have found so perplexing. We originally had a two week break in November (not long enough) and he has been at home since... But never been back with the humility and determination to put things right, more that he was doing it for the kids and I should just suck it up. Never really desperate enough. Even at Relate he seemed to convince the counsellor he was genuine and working hard at our relationship. This article is a lightbulb moment.

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AnyFucker · 03/06/2014 11:01

I was going to recommend Chump Lady but see MissS has beaten me to it

OP, please do not ever fall for this man's lies and manipulation again. Enough now.

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Hissy · 03/06/2014 11:28

Interesting. Where exactly does adultery sit on the Professional Christian scheme of things... Hmm

She clearly just wants you to 'go away' so that her precious son and her precious family's reputation is not blemished by their inconvenient past.

this is ALL about how hideous they are and I dare say that they will need all the 'Holy Smoke' there is to con themselves that they are good people.

Beehive you poor, poor thing. I know how bewildering this all must be, but I want you to know how amazingly dignified you came across during that invasion of your home.

They all sound to be bordering on narcissists, let me tell you, if any of them have serious traits, the BEST thing you can do is to get you and yours as far away from them all as possible.

think Swan. By all means paddle like a demon under the surface, but remain calm on top. Don't fall into their trap of becoming the hysterical wretch they want you to become. In fact, the calmer you become (think ice cold fury meets solid implacable steel) the more THEY will lose it.

i admire you. you really are a wonderful woman and mother.

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Beehive52 · 03/06/2014 12:16

Thank you all, what a kind thing to write hissy
Yes I have problems with her definition and actuation of being a Christian when it suits.

I have been reading about narcissists and entitlement it fits everything about his personality and behaviour and explains hers too. He needs professional help if he is ever to find himself. I had attributed the egocentric side down to the anti depressants but his lack of empathy and humility suggest something more about his basic personality.

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AnyFucker · 03/06/2014 12:20

Then you know that if you were to consider forgiving and helping him be a better man that would be a complete waste of time. He is going to ask this of you.

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Beehive52 · 03/06/2014 13:12

Do you mean you think it is a lost cause entirely,AF - or can it be worked on with 'therapy' - it is very deep seated, he is in a very egocentric profession, has a very controlling mother, deeply unpleasant. She has in effect been' in' our marriage for the past 10 years having been widowed and become quite subtly 'needy' and manipulative. I have been looking back at journals, photos, 'the past' - 20 years is a long, long history for us, but I can see everything has ultimately been about him and his needs. He does sound really unpleasant when I read back these posts, its horrifying. I have sent him the links from posts above, it is really up to him now to decide to dig deep, I really can't face supporting him further, though you are right, today a letter asking for ' understanding and that he wants to work his way back to us having realised what he has done' -!!

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Clutterbugsmum · 03/06/2014 13:22

I really can't face supporting him further weill thats not your job, you need to support your children ans yourself. He will only change (if wants to that is) if he has lost everything from you.

You need to look at what you are lawfully entitled to from him, and to proctect yourself and dc. I would be worried that given he is nearly 60 and his boss has supposed to have said he can have 2 months off are they trying to get rid of him completely in which case it is very important you are protected.

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ChangelingToday · 03/06/2014 13:28

Oh Beehive, your mil sounds very similar to mine, I completely empathize! My mil believes the man gets to do whatever he likes in the relationship and women today are spoiled rotten. Our men do too much for us, her husband would never have played with the kids or changed nappies and obviously men cheat because their wives aren't giving them enough sex, her words!!

Cannot believe the ow goes to church with her, unbelievable!!

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AnyFucker · 03/06/2014 13:48

I believe it is a lost cause.

He could change himself with years of intensive therapy, you could have no role at all in that. Can you see him doing that ? Going off his past behaviour, I cannot.

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AnyFucker · 03/06/2014 13:49

I should have put help him be a better man in italics. Like this "help him be a better man". You cannot do this, but many women make the mistake of trying.

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Hissy · 03/06/2014 15:14

Atilla has an interesting few nuggets about Narcissists.

Upshot is that they are a complete write off and can't be 'fixed'

Oh sure they can CHOOSE to be a nice person, but it's not who they are naturally, they are all about themselves. Anyone who gets in the way of that is mere collateral damage.

Your BEST option would be to run like the wind leave them to it.

Please don't forward links to him. Narcs will use this stuff against you. Best narc is an uneducated one. YOU need to know what you are up against, he needs NOT to know you know this.

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AnyFucker · 03/06/2014 15:31

OP, please don't show him anything on this thread. This thread should be a source of support for you, not something for him to trash and use against you, for that same reason joint counselling is also not recommended.

I for one will disappear if you use what you learn here to try and get through to him. It won't work, and frankly I think you would be out of order to use our wise words in a pointless 3 way communication.

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