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When the OW comes to your house......................

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Beehive52 · 02/06/2014 18:57

Long time MN have name changed as am known to some of you very well on other talkboards..... Bit of a long story - basically my husband changed jobs a couple of years ago due to cuts at work. He is a senior professional, very well known in his field, we have been married 20 years, two children, boys, 18 and 15. We relocated to a different part of the country, uprooting away from an area we loved and were loved. No family here, just spent the past year getting children settled in schools etc. I am now an SAHM, dependent on his income. Right from the word go, an invisible barrier went up, we went through the motions, not particularly happy or unhappy, I gave up my job, began job hunting, etc when we moved here. All through the year, my instincts were telling me something was wrong. Little hints, messages 'this colleague' had been to visit in the house when I wasn't there etc. Nothing specific. Asked him whether he was having an affair, answer always no.

A phone call from 'the colleague' six months on revealed a two year affair. A deep emotional affair which had started before we moved house. Myself and the children blissfully unaware. She told me. He didnt, but confessed all, how he had been lonely working away, ( we lived apart for nearly 2 years whilst eldest was in year 10) felt disconnected from me, the usual bollocks. He went to docs and is on high dose anti depressants. But I agreed to counselling because I do love him. and acknowledged the marriage had been in the doldrums for some time and we had never addressed it. We both admitted neglect of the marriage. We are both good parents, we have always been good friends through some very difficult times. Not enough. Six months of counselling with relate, some tough talking, very hard on the children. I thought progress was being made, some days away together, better, open relationship and better and active sex life. Last weekend I opened the door to her standing there. She barged in, insisted on talking to him,horrible showdown with myself and children present. He stood there like a rabbit caught in headlights and EVEN THEN I didn't realise. Over that weekend, a stray email revealed a secret email account, full of intimate messages and photos, all going back to the original phone call in October.

I kicked him out and now know we need to separate. I so wanted to forgive him, to move on with him and truly wanted to believe he was over it all. I wanted to believe it was her instigating it all, and manipulating him. Emails proved he was infatuated with her. He appeared last weekend, shattered, forlorn, ill, and begged me not to give up on him... that she was an obsession, a fantasy and that he loved me and our children. I now feel that I am back to where I was in October - bereft, deeply hurt and not sleeping with high anxiety.

I know what I have to do, please give me the push I need.

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Beehive52 · 02/06/2014 20:11

Yes changeling I can see now that she was trying to tell me it was still ongoing. I asked him to chose between us in front of her, firmly believing the affair was over.( he was living at his mother's at the time, the MIL and her involvement and enablement is another full story) and he said 'he loved me but couldnt live with me' - in front of her. Because we kept arguing through the invisible barrier of the affair, i couldnt get his behaviour, his on/off ness, his ability to have sex with me and be so disconnected. I just didnt get it.

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Beehive52 · 02/06/2014 20:13

... and reading it all back I now seem like an ignorant, naiive, unaware woman. If you knew me in RL I am none of those things, but am very honest, trusting and forgiving. Too forgiving.

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3littlefrogs · 02/06/2014 20:14

He is a liar and a cheat. He has behaved despicably and he deserves nothing but contempt.

What an appalling thing to do to you and the DC, to uproot you all and cut you off from family and friends, disrupt the DC's education, all so that he could be near his OW.

I don't believe the "cuts at work" were the real reason for the move. A two year affair? He changed his job two years ago? What a cruel, selfish man.

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mammadiggingdeep · 02/06/2014 20:14

He should absolutely not have gone on the work trip. Out-fucking-rageous.

I'm being serious when I say that that's the worst thing I've read in here for a while. So fucking self entitled. Absolutely unbelievable. I feel so bad for you. He's vile.

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Beehive52 · 02/06/2014 20:18

In fairness, the position at work was true and very difficult for him and several colleagues. I saw an email from her which celebrated the anniversary of their two year affair in February, which means it would have begun six months before we moved. I sold my lovely house, uprooted my kids etc with him knowing he was being unfaithful. When I asked him why, he said that he still loved me throughout. What he wanted was to have his cake and eat it. Can't belive we have spent nearly £600 at Relate for him to just lie to the counsellor's face as well.
IF you knew him in RL you would not believe he had the capacity to do this. Seriously. Wine to all of you, it is wonderful to have help and advice. Should have done it a long time ago.

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Beehive52 · 02/06/2014 20:21

I know he was taken over the coals at work for refusing to go on the work trip, it was an absolute deal breaker for me. His boss however said that if he went on the trip, he would be able to have some compassionate leave in July and August to sort his life out. I firmly believe he still wants and needs to do this. I hope to be long gone - I hope I have the courage and strength.

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Softlysoftlycatchymonkey · 02/06/2014 20:22

op you need to assume for now that everything out of his mouth is a lie.

if he is truly depressed , you should read ' depression fallout'

Save yourself from this utter rot, enough is enough now x

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wineoclock5 · 02/06/2014 20:25

beehive, I feel so sorry for you , I am going through a very similar situation like you. I have given my DH several reprieves for cheating and think that we are back on the straight and narrow and then I find out he is seeing the OW again. Like you I feel weak willed and scared of life without him.I asked him to go twice this week and he won't . I am hoping to get it all sorted soon.

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Softlysoftlycatchymonkey · 02/06/2014 20:26

The deal breaker should have been him choosing/demanding that he wasn't going, regardless what his boss apparently said.

What is he going to sort out in July ? Your family is at crisis point and he is delaying dealing with it in favour of work and going away with her again!

You will have the strength, dig deep and show him what he has lost. Be kind to yourself and put YOU first now x

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IfYoureHappyAndYouKnowIt · 02/06/2014 20:29

The 'depression' was clearly as a result of him being stressed as he was living a lie. My XH was the same. Ill for months. Lied at Relate. Whilst I ran around after him.

So sorry this is happening to you.

You will get through this. It will feel like hell now. It will pass.

In the meantime get whatever support you can wherever you can and take it day by day.

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WilsonFrickett · 02/06/2014 20:29

I'm sorry, I don't believe he had the conversation with his boss that you think he did. He may have umm-ed and ah-ed and said 'can I give next week a miss? Oh, OK, it's inconvenient, fine.' He absolutely did not go into the full details and lay his cards on the table. Because if he did, he would have tarnished his - and her - reputation at work.

He may have put up a token fight, but he essentially has gone on the trip, with the OW, by choice.

You need to dig deep and - quite honestly - use the time he's away to photocopy documents, financial information, see a lawyer and change the locks.

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BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 02/06/2014 20:33

He should come back from this work-trip to find his bags packed and on the door-step. I'm sure your two boys will give you a hand.

What a shit. What a complete and utter fucking shit-bag.

You're at the shock and disbelief stage of grieving. You'll probably be angry quite soon if you aren't already. Vesuvius! That's the period when you should be engaging with a decent solicitor

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mammadiggingdeep · 02/06/2014 20:36

I agree. Use the time he's away to get practical. It's a hard skill to learn but try to think with your head and not your heart. Your head needs to rule for the foreseeable future.

Your boys are learning how to be men from this sorry excuse of a man.

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nespressofan · 02/06/2014 20:48

Photocopy EVERYTHING you can - I didn't and, too late, the H had taken all relevant docs from the house. I cannot believe, canNOT believe that his boss would be understanding yet allow this tosser to go on a work trip with OW. Doesn't sound feasible to me. I have been getting the same ole same ole crap. See a solicitor. Your kids will be fine. Mine is doing his AS levels right now. Don't trust anything he says. Seriously. Even if he says he's going to the loo, don't believe him. He is an entitled narcissist. And that is a terrible affliction for all around him. Be kind to yourself and your kids, that's all you can do and by seeing a solicitor, you are being kind to yourself and your kids.

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ChangelingToday · 02/06/2014 20:52

Was just thinking what WilsonFricket said (love that name btw) about getting all your documents in order and the legal stuff started, before he gets back.

You poor thing and your poor dc, I'm sure forgiving him will be very tough for them in the future :( I hope you are looking after yourself x

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3littlefrogs · 02/06/2014 21:46

Yes - copy bank statements, credit card bills, payslips, everything you can find going back over the last 2 years and before then for comparison.

He has proved beyond any doubt that he cannot be trusted.

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Pinkballoon · 02/06/2014 22:05

Beehive. What did the OW want when she came round? What did she say? And what was his response to what she was saying?

Agree with others that now is the ideal time to go through everything - photocopy, file, scan the lot. And then move it all out to a safe place in case he finds out. :) :)

Sorry to say this, but are you sure that this sing just a holiday with OW, and not a business trip?

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Pinkballoon · 02/06/2014 22:06

Isn't - not 'sing.'

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Hissy · 02/06/2014 22:16

If there is a single pinprick of light in all this, it the fact that if this OW really was the centre of his universe, she'd not have stormed round to yours.

That was an act of desperation.

If he wants you back, he's going to have to really work for it.

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NettleTea · 02/06/2014 22:39

Oh he's clever...
That 'love you but cant live with you' line can be read any way he describes it to each of you

To you it offers hope, he LOVES you, but all this depressing talk about his little affair...... and holding out ti July or August to sort it all out....

to her it says he loves you, you are the mother of his children, so he will always love you LIKE THAT but he cant live with you anymore....

With him as the Love torn hero of his romantic tragedy you can bet he is weeping and wailing on her shoulder right now.

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NettleTea · 02/06/2014 22:40

and still not giving a straight answer to either of you.
Im guessing he hopes it will all have settled in the dust by the summer holidays and he can pacify you and the kids with a nice trip somewhere exotic

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Pinkballoon · 02/06/2014 22:40

Agree with Hissy - hence questions re what she said when she stormed in. Sounds like he wasn't committing to her, she got angry and thought she'd make sure you knew what had been going on. I'd say that if they had had any plans to get together long term, she'd have lied low and waited for him to come to her. Though this doesn't make what has happened acceptable. Perhaps just shows him as a weak man?

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mammadiggingdeep · 02/06/2014 22:49

I thought the same- he's played both of you. Not defending the ow but she was seriously pissed off to storm in like that. He'd probably painted a picture if you being a bullying wife making him stay there.

He's a dickhead that's played with two women's lives. Your the victim though, the ow knew he was married so caused her own pain getting involved with a mm

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HillyHolbrook · 02/06/2014 22:53

So sorry OPThanks

Didn't want to read and run but can't rtft right now. A family member had similar happen to her, the OW was furious because the git had promised he was leaving his wife and so came over to confront my family member to try get her to give him up, hoping he'd run into her bed, which he did, whilst texting home saying he loved her and their kids and wished he could come back.

'Obsession, fantasy'
Wtf?! You should have been those things to him. Basically telling you that she is sexier than you and more interesting is no way to worm your way back into bed and no way to treat the woman who has given you everything and raised your children, relocated and cared for you for years.

He is no role model for your boys. They need to know how a real man treats a woman and is respectful, loving and faithful.

Twat.

Stay strong, lovely. Good luck for the futureWine x

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getthefeckouttahere · 03/06/2014 01:22

You said in your OP that you are back to where you were in October.

Not really. In October you thought you were dealing with a salvageable situation. Now of course you know thats not true.

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