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will you please answer these 2 question. would you leave and why?

179 replies

pollyanna0702 · 26/05/2014 19:48

Hi there, I have NC. I have posted before about my marriage but only in bits, usually whats bothering me the most at the time. I want to explain the full sad story and ask you to give me your advice on what you would do if you were me and what bits would bother you the most. I ask because I feel like I don't know my own mind anymore. Things are so ingrained. Thank you in advance for reading. This will be long.
Been with dh 22 years. 2 dc 7 and 16.
I will try and start with the early behaviour and work forward. Its a list I'm afraid as a story would be a book.

Met h mid teens, no other relationship. He is 6 years older than me.

He would squeeze my hands till they hurt then laugh and say it was a joke.

He would ring and say im coming now and expect me to drop everything and be readyIin minutes.

He expected me to clean him up after being intimate.

He would constantly ask if I had done something he asked over and over again. If I hadn't he asks why not so I have to make excuses.

After dc he never once got up in the night to feed or change because I was on ml.

He hates it when im ill and mocks that I'm putting it on.

Doesn't have any empathy for anyone ever.

Never says sorry

Moans about the mess. Even if I've cleaned he will find something to pick on.

Doesn't tell me he loves me.

Blocks my nose and flicks my lips when im going to sleep because he liles to fiddle with me.

I fell down the stairs into the living room, he was sat on the sofa just feet away and he didn't move or say anything.

If im asleep and my foot is hanging out of the bed he will scrape his nail dpwn the sole of my foot and make me wake up in shock.

If hes giving me a taste of something he has made he puts the spoon to my mouth gently but then rams it in against my teeth.

Criticises my driving

Asks me to get something say from the kitchen, if grumble whilst doing it, I hand him it and he says "it wasn't hard was it"

Cant stand it if im asleep. He has woken me up by grabbing my feet. I roused and he rubbed my face with his bare hands. I said I could hit you, he went upstairs and told our dc did you hear that, mum wants to hit me, thats abusive that is.

Lifts the end of my nose as he walks past me and says, hey piggy.

There's more but I think you get the idea. Is he autistic or just not very nice. Are any of these things normal? Would you stay and try and sort or would you go? Ive left before for a week but came back. He said it was daft to split up over something so stupid.

OP posts:
ExitPursuedByABear · 26/05/2014 20:16

Shit! The flicking me whilst asleep would be grounds for divorce.

He sounds like a complete arse.

Can you tell us his plus points?

gamerchick · 26/05/2014 20:17

If he chose one of your kids and did all that stuff to just one of them.. would you find it acceptable and stand back as if it's nothing? Or would you see it for what it is?

cantbelievethisishppening · 26/05/2014 20:19

An absolute shower of shite. Walk away and don't look back.

pollyanna0702 · 26/05/2014 20:20

Thanks all. I guess I'm not over reacting. Ive read about the frog and thats what it feels like. Small things first then over time the list of things I knew would upset or annoy him just got bigger and bigger until I couldn't keep up. By this time dcs were here and my head was fog. They are older and more independent now so I can think more. Sorry to anyone with autism, it was the lack of empathy I was wondering about. I really don't think he sees himself as doing anything wrong.

Yes to the reasons too. I left because he flicks my lips. It does sound ridiculous. But you have to be there. Homestly it makes me feel terrible.

I don't think I will make 70 if I stay. Its an early grave for me I think. The stress is constant.

OP posts:
Anomite · 26/05/2014 20:22

I feel for you I really do..
It's hard to hear, but this is not a normal loving relationship..

He sounds like a bully! Truly awful. I know it's easy for people on the outside to say leave him.. I imagine it must be terribly scary for you to start again- but this is not a healthy loving relationship.. You deserve better than this.

He doesn't sound like a good role model as a father to your children either... Do you feel you can leave him? There is more to life than a relationship like this..
Xx

callamia · 26/05/2014 20:22

I want to hurt him, so god knows why you don't.
He has treated you appallingly. Without respect, kindness or love. Your children will see this, they will notice. Is he loving to them?

It must be a scary prospect after so long with him, but you owe yourself and your children a better future.

ExitPursuedByABear · 26/05/2014 20:22

Please go.

tilliebob · 26/05/2014 20:24

This is not a mutual supportive loving relationship. I have also been with my DH since my teens and I don't think he's ever done any of those things you've listed. I also wonder what your dcs are absorbing from growing up watching this relationship play out in front of them.

You need to make plans and get out of this unhealthy situation OP.

DillyBob14 · 26/05/2014 20:24

Yes he is a vile, bullying abuser and I am astounded you stayed so long. Call Women's Aid and make immediate plans to get you and your children away from him.

oohdaddypig · 26/05/2014 20:25

I would leave. He is vile.

The fact you are even asking this OP means I think you might need help to do so. I left a similar bastard and it was very hard. You become utterly brainwashed. No I only look back with regret I didn't do it sooner.

Good luck Flowers

BitchPeas · 26/05/2014 20:26

Id leave. Because he's utterly vile and abusive.

If someone flicked me or blocked my nose once when I was asleep to wake me up for no reason apart from thier own amusement, I would leave and never look back.

XP used to pinch the skin on the underneath of my upper arm, for a joke you see, I was stuck up for not taking a joke. It was FUNNY. He used to enjoy looking at all the bruises too, he was/is a sick fuck. I lasted 6 months, how you have put up with being treated like this for 22 years I don't know.

NaturalBaby · 26/05/2014 20:26

What does he do that is loving and caring?
I was thinking 'leave him' less than 1/2 way through your examples. That's no way to treat someone you love and care about.

oikopolis · 26/05/2014 20:28

I would leave. What an absolutely vile, vile person he sounds like. Really he is just bullying and cruel.

Why would he want you to stay with him when he seems to actively hate you? I'm sorry OP, that probably sounds harsh, but honestly read what you have written and think about it, would you treat someone that you love, or even just mildly respect, like this?

He wants you to stay because he wants a punching bag. Just vile vile vile and inexcusable. You poor thing.

pollyanna0702 · 26/05/2014 20:30

Im getting upset now. Not because im really sad but because its not me going mad and being weak. It is real and he is horrible. Its a relief to know thats why im crying.

His plus points are he is loyal.. He is very organised. And thats it really.

It is a scary prospect. I am.scared. I think its the fear keeping me here.

OP posts:
flipflop21 · 26/05/2014 20:32

He s just not very nice. Why leave? Because you have put up with it for so long you have no real perception of how bad it is.

Anomite · 26/05/2014 20:36

Of course your scared, that is natural- you have been with this man for a long long time... You would be going out into the unknown... I assure you the unknown will be a lot better than what you have been putting up with..

Your not weak- this man is a bully- he knows exactly what he's doing.. You can break this though and stop it all. Do you have somewhere to go? Start to try and logically think about what and how you would do this.. Do any of your friends know about this? Do you have any support?
X

IWillIfHeWill · 26/05/2014 20:37

pollyanna0702

He would squeeze my hands till they hurt then laugh and say it was a joke.

He would ring and say im coming now and expect me to drop everything and be readyIin minutes.

Doesn't have any empathy for anyone ever.

Doesn't tell me he loves me.

Blocks my nose and flicks my lips when im going to sleep because he liles to fiddle with me.

If im asleep and my foot is hanging out of the bed he will scrape his nail dpwn the sole of my foot and make me wake up in shock.

If hes giving me a taste of something he has made he puts the spoon to my mouth gently but then rams it in against my teeth.

Cant stand it if im asleep. He has woken me up by grabbing my feet. I roused and he rubbed my face with his bare hands.

Lifts the end of my nose as he walks past me and says, hey piggy

Pollyanna, you’re being abused.

I’m a self-diagnosed Aspie (I've known for a few years). I did some online tests for fun last week and it came out that they’d say I’m well along the spectrum and would probably be described as ‘autistic’ in some aspects. I don’t do anything like this (I know each ASD person is different, but still…) and I don’t expect to have them done to me.

How are you going to get out? Or get him out? Don't tell him until you have a clear plan.

Wishing you a successful break and a peaceful future in which you can heal.

oohdaddypig · 26/05/2014 20:40

My ex used to pinch my nose so hard it made me cry in pain. And tell me I had no sense of humour for not finding it funny. Used to say I had ruined his love of a certain city because I was too happy about it. Would mock me in front of friends and say I couldn't take a joke. Would not speak for days because I had said something in a tone that wasn't acceptable. Ruined every holiday. Apparently I was too cheery. He sucked my joy. He made me physically ill. When I reached the stage of thinking I was in the wrong I knew I had to leave and it would never change.

He will plead and tell you he has changed once you leave. You might even believe him. Then within 2 days it will start again.

Leave and NEVER go back.

These bastards are psychopaths. I pity the next woman they move onto.

BertieBotts · 26/05/2014 20:42

Just the first one is physical abuse. My ex used to do the same with my foot. I never tell anybody that he was physically abusive because he didn't hit me and I would feel stupid saying "Well he used to squeeze my foot sometimes..." but it is - it's a display of power and dominance over you, a warning. "Hahaha, how funny I am. I can joke about hurting you." because what he really means is "I can hurt you, you know, if I wanted to."

It is fear, of course it is. He's all you've known. But honestly it's a revelation to be free and it's a breath of fresh air. You don't realise when you're in it how constricted you are. It's like he's got you in a strait jacket and you're so used to it you don't realise, but every now and again you wonder why it's so much effort to do things that other people can do easily.

If he told you he was going away to stay with a friend for two weeks, how would you feel?

LumpySpacedPrincess · 26/05/2014 20:43

You poor poor woman. Right, now you know you are with an abusive fucker. It's not you, it's him.

Step 2 is to plan your escape.

How are you set up financially. Do you have real life support, someone you can confide in.

BertieBotts · 26/05/2014 20:43

YY. He's not autistic, he's just abusive.

scottybeammeup · 26/05/2014 20:51

I felt sick to my stomach reading this. What a vile, horrible, abusive man. Please don't waste any more of your precious life with someone who can be so mean to another human being.

Who cares if he thinks you are overreacting? Seriously just walk away with your head held high. You know the truth. And you know how he makes you feel. That is enough. Just get out and get on building yourself a happy life

hamptoncourt · 26/05/2014 20:53

He sounds more narcissistic than autistic OP.

22 years?

How many more? Please save yourself from any more of this. I promise you it isn't too late and you will be so much happier without being ground down by this constant abuse.

Marcipex · 26/05/2014 20:53

He's a bully.
A clever bully. It's all carefully planned.

Sort your finances, kick him out.

Foodylicious · 26/05/2014 20:54

Personality disorder siunds likely, either antisocial psychopathic. Have a read of some descriptions of the traits and see if you think they fit? !

either way whst you have described IS abuse and you really do need to remove yourself and your children from this mans life.

Have a look on womans aid and domestic violence websites and they will give you more info about what constitutes emotional, psychological bullying and abuse.

Good luck, please get in touch with someone that can help in RL