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Dating thread 75

999 replies

DeliberatelyDreaming · 15/05/2014 13:54

For everyone OLD or even RL dating. Tell us your stories, share your woe's and get and give support.

OP posts:
neiljames77 · 01/06/2014 15:24

As I said before steelchic, the site is full of professional winkers. Grin

steelchic · 01/06/2014 15:28

Lol Neil, my friend is thinking of E Harmony, anyone has any experience with them ?

Rummikub · 01/06/2014 15:29

Has anyone been on any of the pof singles nights? I might be tempted...

jesy · 01/06/2014 15:34

I've considered it but never been I'm not brave enough to meet any one in real life

Effic · 01/06/2014 15:40

Definitely not brave enough to go on pof night out but if you do, come back and let us know.
I'm really hating the whole online dating thing ...don't think I gave the resilance for it to be honest. Had one awful coffee date - dreadfully dull man who didn't speak and clearly was v disappointed in how I looked despite emailing a recent photo when he asked. Had three people chat away happily but immediately cease when I responded to their requests for a photo (I'm generally held to be an attractive women with a good figure so what is it these guys are expecting??) - this unexpectedly made me feel awful. Cancelled a coffee date yesterday because I just could face it :(
Think I might just be single and try to be happy!

Rummikub · 01/06/2014 15:43

Will report back if I go. I would go to one out of my area so I don't see anyone I might know!

steelchic · 01/06/2014 15:58

Rum
I went on a Match night, I suppose it would be the Same as POF nights. My heart wasnt in it as i was seeing the guy im still sort of seeing. I went along out of interest and took my friend hoping she would meet someone. I found it was full of middle aged fat balding men chasing you girls, it really put me off it really put me off.

Rummikub · 01/06/2014 16:02

Oh it sounds delightful!!

steelchic · 01/06/2014 16:06

Meant young girls (not you). Honestly these men wouldnt have stood a chance with most older wormen never mind younger ones. Do They have magic mirrors that make them think they are George Clooney look alikes !

Rummikub · 01/06/2014 16:13

I think that some do think they're a catch. Hmm

My pensioner from my most recent date quizzed me about my size! I doubt he'd ever looked in a mirror.

Goodguy11 · 01/06/2014 16:35

Yes Steelchic I will join a walking club locally and see what happens
If I don't like it I don't have to go again
Nothing ventured nothing gained!
Found match.com not very good
Most of the women I liked lived to far away
I think some of these dating sites are partly scams
Saw a programme on tv about it and just before your subscription ends numerous people contact u
Also some of the profiles are fake and pictures are stolen from unsuspecting individuals from their Facebook accounts etc

Gonna give old a rest and try and meet people in Rl if possible
Glad your guy is genuine steelchic

Rummikub · 01/06/2014 16:40

Before we met, not face to face. I told him I was average size 12, no not good enough. Zara or h & m?! I replied tesco size 12 Grin body fascist. He had food issues as he commented on what I ordered!

I'm clearly not over it I realise!

brokenhearted55a · 01/06/2014 16:54

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Rummikub · 01/06/2014 16:55

Why is that broken?

steelchic · 01/06/2014 17:27

Jeeze Rum who do these Guys think They are, i only went on a few dates and the guy I'm seeing now was my first date, thankfully the ones i went on dates with were all normal and decent.
Goodguy, yeah i think You're right, it was so obvious that something wasn't right with all the views i was getting, where as before it was the Same old people over and over again that i was being matches to. I think Thats why I'm still seeing my Guy i know the situation is not iDeal but the thought of going back to OD Is deppresing ! Good luck with the Walking club, i think That could be a good way of widening your circle of friends and hopfully lead to something :-)

FolkGirl · 01/06/2014 18:34

Thank you for your lovely words, everyone, but I'm not sure how much it helps.

I've been thinking about this quite a lot today. I'm ashamed to admit that I would feel like I'd failed if someone was attracted to me for my personality. But at the same time, I know that that is supposed to be what is important. But actually, no, it's being slim, being pretty, having nice fingernails, being able to cook, looking younger than you are, having good (not big, just 'good') boobs and slim thighs... that's important. Or at least, that's what my mother always said and, it will come as no surprise to learn, in her eyes I failed at all of them. Stupid thing is that when it comes to everyone else I get that it's a combination of looks and personality, and that sometimes it can be just personality, and that when you're attracted to someone's personality you can begin to find them physically attractive. I get all that. And I get that someone who just looks nice might be a really unpleasant person... but when it comes to me it just doesn't seem to apply. I wish it did.

As for rationalising. I could write a book on it. I could probably equally rationalise the other direction, but that just feels like words. Whereas this way makes sense.

I don't think I even really feel down. Just a bit weary of it all. If I could just squash that little chink of light that keeps telling me that it might still happen, then I'm sure I'd feel better about everything. The problem is that as soon as someone says something nice or, like this man, tells me I'm "really lovely", or like my 'boyfriend', tells me I'm "beautiful"... etc... it makes me feel all warm and happy and I get a little glow of "just maybe..." and then I'm back at square one.

I've felt embarrassed telling people I have a boyfriend (or had - still don't know) because I think the idea seems so ridiculous. I'm embarrassed to have a 'boyfriend' because that suggests to people that I think I'm something special, when I know I'm not.

Izzy I know that what you're saying is 'right', but it doesn't make any difference. Especially when there are women who are 37 and still have the 'perfect' figure, pretty face, no grey hair or random hairs... I know they exist because I know one of them. I really do feel guilty if I'm with someone. I feel embarrassed for them that other people are going to see them with me and think that I'm the best they can do.

It didn't help that my exH did think he could do better than me. I wasn't allowed to meet any of his friends for a couple of years because I wasn't pretty enough. It was only when they started getting girlfriends that didn't look like the Italian actresses they lusted after either that he introduced me. If I'd had any self esteem at that point, I'd have told him to fuck off. But I thought that was all I deserved, and the best I could hope for, by that point.

So I don't think I'm quite as low as I was, but that's not really saying very much. Sad

Sorry I'm being a bit self indulgent and completely rambling. I'm also sorry to read that other people are also going through a tough time this week.

I think I have a pile of ironing to attend to

FolkGirl · 01/06/2014 18:36

Rummi What's the difference between a Zara and a H&M size 12?!

Izzy821 · 01/06/2014 18:42

Of course there's always prettier people. Do you think you need to be perfect to be loved? Do you think looks are all that matter?

I think (for me anyway) it's only a small portion of what makes a person attractive.

If you read my posts above, the man I am seeing has got 60 new messages this week, and he showed me them and I was taken aback because the vast majority of them were younger, thinner, probably a lot of them were prettier. I had a long moment of "why on earth has he singled me out?".

Then I realised that I might not be physically perfect or as attractive as some other women but I have a lot going for me and he sees that. Not only is he not interested in those other girls but he actually worries he is not attractive enough for me because he sees me through eyes which are biased.

When people like you, they see you through diferrent eyes. That's the wonderful thing.

Your Mum said some horrible things to you and your XH sounds like an absolute dick but you have to find confidence in yourself. You must find things about yourself beautiful and when you see it and believe it other people will see it too.

The lack of confidence in your posts is so sad. Have you ever watched "How to look good naked" and seen the transformation in people once they start seeing themselves with new eyes?

FolkGirl · 01/06/2014 18:43

Just to add to the OD chat, I don't think I'd do it again.

I had a good time doing it, but it was an experience I don't think I'd want to repeat.

Rummikub · 01/06/2014 18:44

folk I am Angry with you're mum for all the nonsense she told you. I don't know how you can shake off those negative messages but I really hope you find a way.

I think mr pensioner was referring to some clothes shops being cut more generously. So maybe a Zara 12 is an h& m 14 perhaps? He must have been a bit shocked as I stuffed my face, fast, in the restaurant!

FolkGirl · 01/06/2014 18:59

Izzy I don't think looks are all that matter, at all. Certainly not in other people anyway. But yes, I do think I need to be 'perfect' to be loved. My mother made it quite clear that she didn't love me, we all always knew it, and it was because I wasn't "good enough".

I 'do' lots of stuff. My counsellor said that she got the impression that I thought I needed to Do Stuff to be valued/liked by other people and that the basic, fundamental Me wasn't good enough to be liked. She was right.

And it's the "there's always going to be someone prettier" that ends up being the bottom line where I felt I needed to end the relationship with my boyfriend, or cancel the second date that's been planned, or tell someone I just don't think it's going anywhere... Because I don't feel good enough to sustain anyone's interest beyond a very superficial inital contact.

I have watched How to Look Good Naked, yes. My exH and I used to watch it. I used to feel it was somewhat manipulative and constituted grooming. And my ex used to just say, "but she is still fat"; "she doesn't look any better naked than she did before"; "she's draped herself in a piece of fabric. She still looks the same underneath". You know, that sort of thing.

FolkGirl · 01/06/2014 19:02

Rummi I don't know how to shake off the negative messages either.

I do get paid compliments sometimes, but I don't 'hear' them. They don't stick and they don't make any impact on an emotional level. I have learned to just say "Thank you" and accept them graciously. And I've also leared not to detail my flaws to someone, but beyond that...

I had 6 months of counselling that I had to stop when I got a new job that wouldn't accommodate it. It did make a huge difference; I can tell that I feel a lot better about certain things, but in terms of am I loveable? Well no, I still don't believe that I am.

Rummikub · 01/06/2014 19:08

It takes time and consistent effort. Every time you have negative self talk push it away, don't entertain it. You wouldn't allow someone else to talk to you like that, so don't do it to yourself. It does feel a bit weird at first, but it does work.
There are other things you can do, but try that first.

Can you find a therapist that's available evening or weekend?

With compliments write them down. Read them later. Collect them.

FolkGirl · 01/06/2014 19:18

Rummi I will try that, thanks.

Can you tell me what to say to the little voice that saying, "but what if you're right..?" Sad

I can try and push that away too, but what if it's right and I'm just trying to fool myself?

Rummikub · 01/06/2014 19:20

That voice is not right. I'll pm you.