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Being DRY

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Bigglesfliesundone · 11/05/2014 09:39

This is the fourth thread for those of us who want to abstain from alcohol completely.

It's an arduous path at times, but we're still here!

We know how easy it is to slip, and how hard it can be to stay on the road, but we also know that we can't drink 'just one'.

The thread motto is 'Watch the film to the end'

Smile

Come and have a coffee!

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theScarfLady · 17/06/2014 19:47

Lucy - good luck!! I will be really interested to see how you find it - am trying to pluck up the courage to go to a meeting too, but am a bit scared as for some reason it makes it more real, more concrete. Heaven knows why I think that's scary, as the problem is patently real and concrete and needs addressing - but it feels safer at the moment to keep it in my head or on here and out of RL. We'll see - really hope it goes well for you.

Guggenheim - wow, you sound so chilled! Hugely well done you, you've done amazingly, starting again. I am on day 3 of that (though I didn't get nearly as far as you last time) and finding it both harder and easier. Easier physically, which is good, but harder mentally as last time I really believed I'd stopped forever whereas now there's a nasty little voice saying 'oh well, you stopped last time and then had a drink - you can always do that again if it gets too hard this time round'. No!!

nina and sonlyme - welcome and hopefully we can inspire each other along the way. your stories both really resonated.

Good luck all - enjoy your evenings xx

Lucy2610 · 17/06/2014 19:57

Thanks theScarfLady will report back. Have met 3 other sober bloggers in RL also and one of them attends AA and is a real advocate of it. She was really encouraging so will take a deep breath and be a big girl and go along :)

Haggismcbaggis · 17/06/2014 20:06

Hi Nina. It's good to have another new person on board. I'm on Day 3.

Guggenheim - that sounds really positive. I don't know your story as I haven't read through the whole thread. Sounds like you are doing very well. I can't imagine being at Day 24 or similar.

Lucy - I am really fascinated to know how you get on at AA. I am not adverse to the idea when I get into my stride - my Mum had some very positive experience at Al-anon for many years. My Dad is an alcoholic. "Sober" for about 28 years (from my early teens) after doing in-patient rehab. He did get very into AA for some time - but then felt it wasn't for him. He was essentially a dry drunk - replaced alcohol with overspending and abusing pain killers and prescription drugs. Fell off the wagon properly after my Mum died. I guess part of the horrible voices in my head are full of self-loathing that I have followed my Dad's path. We have a family full of alcoholics...And also saying "you will still be a horrible person even if you stop drinking".

Anyway, on a lighter note - I discovered my corner shop sells San Pellegrino "Chinotti" and the grapefruit one - plus V8. They really do have the most amazing array of soft drinks. Gosh, I can't imagine how I never noticed before Blush. Ahem.

Good evening to all. I'm enjoying my kids more already. Am I imagining it? I've started having dinner with my ten year old, rather than having her eat with the younger two. My DH is away at the moment. It's been lovely and she's eaten paella and soy sauce trout with chilli (prepared Waitrose stuff in case anyone starts thinking I have it together enough to cook proper food!). It's been really nice particularly as she is often a bit fussy about trying new things.

Sorry for the ramble.

Ps the Chinotti stuff is really odd!

Haggismcbaggis · 17/06/2014 20:09

pps: I am absolutely loving Dry by Augusten Burroughs - whoever recommended it here. A lot of people probably.

theScarfLady · 17/06/2014 20:13

Haggis - hello - what is the Chinotti stuff? Am intrigued! Sorry, I haven't read upthread, apologies if it is discussed in detail there.

More to the point, wanted to leap in and say it sounds like you have amazing clarity of thought over all of this, and it must be so tough against the background of the family history etc. You are really brave. You are - obviously - not a horrible person drunk or (especially) sober! So here's to us exploring and finding out exactly what kind of people we are when sober - I am confidently hoping, based on everyone else's positive experiences - that we will be even nicer and more generally wonderfully charming than we are now Smile. Hug to you.
x

Haggismcbaggis · 17/06/2014 20:26

Oh thank you Scarflady! That's so nice of you. I agree. I bet you will all be even more amazing when we get & stay sober.

I think we were talking about these bitter drinks. I'd never heard of it before but Chinotto is a drink that looks like cola but is made frim a special type of orange called a Chinotto. I'm not loving it - tastes like virgin cola with a bitter aftertaste. But Belle did recommend bitter drinks rather than sweet stuff like the Bottlegreen pomegranate and elder flower stuff I've been having. Will try the grapefruit San Pellegrino as I'm fairly sure ill like that.

CornChips · 17/06/2014 20:32

Bitter drinks.... I mainline grapefruit juice and tonic water (mixed).

I am sure I have had Chinotto. At least, I can 'see' the bottle. I was thinking today- we are going to Spain later this year and I was wondering about drinking. Then I thought.I know what rioja tastes like. I know what pinot grigio tastes like. I know what bleeding Heinekin tastes like. It tastes the same everywhere. Why go to Spain to taste what I can buy from Aldi? I'd rather fresh fruit juices, and new drinks like Chinotto.

Lucy2610 · 17/06/2014 20:34

Haggis My dad was an alcoholic (recovered for 18 years now) and my step dad was also an alcoholic (died 3 years ago) so like you have a bit of a loaded gun family history wise. It is hard not to follow the family path if you are genetically predisposed and then grow up with it in your daily environment. Those voices sound like they need to be kinder to you :)

sonlyme · 17/06/2014 20:55

thank you Endingthecharade '55mins Sonlyme! Thinking of you'.
It feels nice to know that somehow. Less alone in my struggle iyswim.

WELL, I DID IT. Had a family meal and never drank!!!! Had a wobble when dad brought in a bottle of whisky and thought 'no way I can do this, I'll maybe just start tomorrow'. The addict side of my brain tries hard to make this sound entirely reasonable. Ate all my meal with extra potatoes so felt full and had a diet coke with ice. I usually nibble on tiny bits claiming not to be hungry so I can get as much booze down my neck as possible. Think dad was a bit disappointed in me and didn't look chuffed when I offered him a glass of milk with his dinner as I hadn't got wine in it being a school night and all. Hahahaha, cos this normally really concerns me......yeah right! Evening felt a bit of a strain for me and I couldn't wait for them to leave to come on here Blush
I told him I would have a drink after the meal but just put coke in my glass. Don't think he was fooled though as I was quiet and not my usual party animal self....

Nevertheless, that's by with and am fine. I am strictly a 3-7 or 8pm drinker. Weirdly, I am not bothered before or after this magical time. But, oh boy, how entrenched the habit is and how much I can knock back in that time is very impressive.

Hope everyone is winning the battle tonight x

Haggismcbaggis · 17/06/2014 21:12

Yay Sonlyme!! That's brilliant. You have done so well to get through an event that used very much to be associated with boozing for you -?you are through it now and can look forward to waking up in the morning without that sinking shameful feeling I am sure we are all used to. Talking of fathers - sounds like that's an issue in terms of your situation too.

Lucy - yup there are so many of us children of alcoholics out there. I really really hope my kids don't follow me down that path. Funnily enough my DD1 (10) had a talk about drugs and alcohol from a guy who lectures on the subject. We had a good talk about it and it was good to think "I am really determined not to be such a poor role model for you". You write a lot in your blog about society and the wider relationship with alcohol which I find fascinating.

Until I read Ann Dowsett Johnson's book about alcohol (when I first started toying with the idea of really addressing my drinking a few months back) I was very much of the view - oh it's fine for 13 and 14 year olds to binge drink occasionally - it's a rite of passage and all students should be bladdered all the time. Blah blah. I now realise that drinking before you are 16 massively increases the chance of you developing a problem later on. I'm going to do all I can to encourage my kids to wait as long as possible.

Cornchips - I REALLY love the idea of saying "yup I know what Rioja tastes like" etc etc when thinking of holidays abroad. Like many people one of the major hurdles I have had to overcome is the mere thought of having a holiday with alcohol. (Never mind the reality of it yikes!). But yes, I will say to myself I know what champagne tastes like. And so on. Thank you for that.

My bed beckons. And Day 4. Night to all

Haggismcbaggis · 17/06/2014 21:14

"Holiday without alcohol". The reverse has never been a problem...

Lucy2610 · 17/06/2014 21:28

Haggis Alcohol is so normalised in our society. I was reading that during the first England game on Sat night 1 million fans drank 17.5 million pints - so 17.5 pints each!! That is so not normal but the alcohol industry would have us think that it is ..... Glad you like the blog :)

Our first holiday we've tried to dodge the booze issue by booking to go to a family festival called 'Just So'. We reckoned that if it was a family festival then the presence of booze would be minimised making it easier all round. I'm sure there will be a bar but it won't be like the usual music festival where booze feels obligatory. It's our last big 'first' hurdle to go.

allhailqueenmab · 17/06/2014 21:50

Just wanted to pop in to say hi and thank you to all of you who have been so kind to me over the past weeks.

It seems I keep lapsing and keep using up all your time saying the same things over and over again. I do want to change and I do really appreciate having this place to come,

thank you all for everything

Well done to you all - especially sonly!

Have a good evening x

MistressofPemberley · 17/06/2014 21:59

It's lovely to have so many newcomers here. It really is a very supportive thread, and I'm so proud to be part of it.

I just wrote an epic post but swiped it off my phone somehow. So cross! I'll try to recap what I wrote.

Mab, your hormones do sound a bit all over the place. No wonder you were feeling low. I had to give up alcohol completely last year to get my beloved DD. Lucy, like you, not drinking made my cycles so much more regular, my moods better, pain and PMT were minimal. It's ridiculous how much damage heavy drinking does to our physical, mental and emotional health.

Someone asked about having alcohol in the house. Was it you Sonly? I did pour all the open spirits away in the first few weeks but that was more a kind of cleansing ritual than it was damage limitation, as spirits I can take or leave. We do have loads of wine in the house thanks to DH not cancelling the wine club order which I was a bit cross about. DH does drink but one maybe two beers after work and that's it. If he goes out, he'll get very drunk which I hate, but he knows that, so it happens very rarely. I realise that most of our heavy drinking was down to me being the ring-leader. I'd be the one who thought it was a good idea to walk to a local pub for a boozy lunch and stay there for hours. I'd get the Waitrose meal deal so we ended up with even more wine. He'd have some of the wine I opened with dinner, but I'd drink the lion's share. In fact, I'd use any excuse to open a bottle. If Mum popped round to see the DC, I'd open a bottle. She'd have one glass and then I'd finish it. All done in the name of being social and a great host.

All of that had to and has changed. I'm sure some of my friends and probably some of my hard-drinking family think I'm boring but I really don't care. I am in a very good place mentally and physically at the moment which should speak for itself. And like others, I've fallen in love with my DCs all over again, and my little family and my day to day bits and pieces fill my life wonderfully. Having said that, I do believe that if you are going to do this, some parts of your life are going to have to change, and that can be hard. It's all part of the 'saying goodbye to an old lover' part of recovery. I know that there are boozy London nights with my sister that I will never have again which is sad, but when I remember how most of them ended (arguments, tears, injuries, even a panic attack), I am not sorry to know I won't be part of all that anymore. I just found that the embarrassment and shame of it all was so horrifying. Getting smashed when you're in your early twenties is one thing, but as a professional woman with 2 DC in her thirties... No. Enough was enough.

Right, going to post before I rant on too much more.

Well done everyone. Stay strong. Keep reading and posting.

Let us know how AA goes Lucy.

sonlyme · 17/06/2014 22:19

thank you everyone for your lovely messages of support. Off to bed with (another) cuppa - I'll be peeing all night - and a good book. Feel very saintlike Smile

MistressofPemberley · 17/06/2014 22:20

Sorry it was Haggis who asked about alcohol in the house.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell · 18/06/2014 04:32

We kept the alcohol. I did wrap all the wine (couple of dozen bottles) in bubble wrap a month ahead of our move, but dh kept a few out for himself, and the liquor stayed. It wasn't really an issue, although even now I sometimes have a mad impulse to swig some from a bottle. But it's an impulse like the one we have to jump off a cliff; we know we aren't going to do it, it's just our mind trying on disasters for size.

Sonlyme, welcome and a HUGE well done fir getting through that dinner. Wow, look at what you can do.

Given your association with time, it's a good idea to think of a list of things you can do to change your routines in those hours. I read a blogger recently who said she did everything she could think of to change her routines around trigger times ; even just coming in the house through the back door. It sounds like you don't have little children; can you make 3pm time for a walk? Or a gym class? Or coffee with a friend? Get yourself out and away during the trigger time.

Lucy, do report back. Why AA now? Do you feel wobbly, or curious, or...?

RachaelAgnes · 18/06/2014 05:06

Hi guys,

Haven't read back to catch up on the thread, just wanted to share my news - I know some of the regulars will want to know....

DP went for his post op check up yesterday. The tumour they removed was cancer, but it was contained, so not in the surround tissue/lymph nodes. The surgery has effectively 'cured' it. So just scans and blood tests for the next ten years!!

So bloody happy, relieved........and still sober!! We are celebrating at the weekend with long dog walks and ice cream - but at times like this I really wish I could crack a bottle of champagne!!

Love to you all, will post again soon when I get chance to read back x

CornChips · 18/06/2014 06:37

Rachael such fabulous news. Many many many congratulations and Thanks to you and your DH.

:) Great news.

CornChips · 18/06/2014 06:42

Lucy just read your blog post. That was really powerful.

ahangoverfreelife.com/2014/06/18/childline-calls-parental-drink-use-doubles-last-year/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=childline-calls-parental-drink-use-doubles-last-year

I am back to baby steps again today. Keeping it simple as mab says. Getting through hour by hour. May be posting alot today.

Congrats sonlyme. :) Bet you feel great this morning.

Hi everyone. [waves]

Haggismcbaggis · 18/06/2014 07:50

Quick morning wave before the school run. Rachael - I don't know your story but obviously there's enough there to know that that's some really incredible news. Big congrats to your DH and you. I hope he stays well and what an achievement to stay sober during what must have been a terribly stressful time.

Waves to everyone!

sonlyme · 18/06/2014 08:45

morning all! yes, feel good this morning. The difference to my bloated belly is huge. Only look 6 mths now hehe!
Come on Cornchips, let's do babysteps together today. A wee motto am trying to think of is 'if I start I will keep trying without the result I'm looking for' hence 1 drink is not enough so half bottle later or bottle wine plus later I feel sick, down and am still not light, carefree, relaxed and calm. So, it's kinda an imaginary result iyswim?
yes, tortoise am trying to change routine. I do have little ones but when hubby comes home aiming to walk/get back into running.
Voice is telling me 'you know you can't do it' 'you're from a long line of alkies too so it's your genetic destiny- don't fight it' 'god, life and you are gonna be DULL DULL DULL if you stick to this'

fuck off voice.....please.

merce · 18/06/2014 09:17

LOVE your 'because' list, Muminboots. Just brilliant. So many hit me in the gut - like the one about sneaking out empty bottles. Really brilliant to have that on you at all times. The list is so long for all of us, isn't it? Amazing that our alcoholic brains have spent so many years over-riding all that logic and sense to just KEEP GOING with the boozing.

Haven't checked in for a while and there is so much to catch up with, new people to get to know. Welcome all and will post properly anon - but for now, just waving hello!

Bigglesfliesundone · 18/06/2014 09:23

Really pleased Rachael xx

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Haggismcbaggis · 18/06/2014 09:31

Hi Merce!

Cornchips - baby steps sounds like a great idea. Sonlyme - have you thought of a "Replacement Drink"? Something you wouldn't normally have that you can pour over ice and settle down with at 3pm - alongside doing something different too? As has been mentioned it can satisfy a bit of a sugar craving and give you that "treat" feeling.

Mistress - I love knowing how better you are feeling. It sounds great and is very helpful to someone like me starting out.

Lucy - what a good idea about doing something different like a kids festival for a holiday. Our holiday is the same place we go every August in the UK that includes my most favourite Art Deco bar (after Claridges). What do you mean it's not normal to have a Top Ten list of bars BlushBlushBlush ....
It's not something I can change so it's going to be er.....challenging going there. BUT it also has some of the most fabulous scenery and walks and a great Spa etc. I shall treat myself to a treatment given all the £ I shall be saving. Drinks ain't cheap there. And I will do lots of healthy things. Not til start of August so all being well will be past my 30 days by then. Crosses everything!

Mab - hope your day is going well and the same to everyone. I'm finding this thread incredibly helpful. Thank you!