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"But We Took You To Stately Homes!" - Survivors of Dysfunctional Families

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DontstepontheMomeRaths · 26/04/2014 13:39

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It's almost May 2014, and the Stately Home is still open to visitors.

Forerunning threads:
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Please check later posts in this thread for links & quotes. The main thing is: "they did do it to you" - and you can recover.

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AnAirOfHope82 · 04/08/2014 22:20

Meerka that is a very good post and I agree with it and have nothing to add just Flowers as I can see how hard it is for you all.

AnAirOfHope82 · 04/08/2014 22:42

Also on the subject of going back to your mum over and over, I did that for 30 years.

It was an obession with me, I just wanted her to love me, to like me to show me some normal motherly reaction, to give her the chance to change and see the light. I would call her daily and alway come off the phone feeling worse Sad

Now I have given up on her. I no longer have a mum and I have accepted this. I dont have a hole like I used to have as I have filled it with love for my children, my self, my life and my dh. I feel sad I dont have a mum but not all the time. I used to feel angry that my exbro gets a mum and dad but they are disfunctional so its not a healthy relastionshop so he is welcome to it.

My dc have my dh mum and dad, they are not perfect but they love my dc and spend time doing gp things with them so my dc have a good relationship with one set of gps.

I dont miss any of them, my mum my dad my sister my exbro my nethew.

AnAirOfHope82 · 04/08/2014 22:50

I have had LC with them for two years and im just going to let it dwindle naturally to a dead end. I visited them last week for less than 24 hours forthe first time in 9 months. I call them once a month but now im going to wait for my mum to call me, so never.

The end Grin

AnAirOfHope82 · 04/08/2014 23:03

I think the difference is your parents all want to control or use you so interfer in your lives where as mine are neglectful and are not interested in me. My Dad has told me to fuck off as he has more children and im expendable. He never phones me, he is not interested in my life or my children and does not support me in any way. He is verbally and physically abusive. He is not a nice person and adds nothing to my life.

His choice not to be a father or gf, so he gets nothing from us. I used to send photos, cards but then wake up and thought wtf why am I doing this and now I dont and feel better for it.

I used to think they would die soon and I would be sorry if I didnt try to fix it once they were dead but then I realised I could die at any time too and they still dont give a fuck aboit me. They are adults and could have tried to be interested. So now im going nc and dont feel guilty.

Meerka · 05/08/2014 11:03

airofhope kind of in the same place as you. My adoptive father wasn't interested once he found his second wife. The old story of a step parent ensuring the child gets frozen out ... Mind you I was an awful teenager, but that would have passed.

All those years since I wanted his approval and tried to earn it back. No chance. He's much more subtle than your father, nowhere near as verbally or physically abusive but the subtle stuff has been nasty. It's worked on me at a level that you I couldn't detect until much later.

Finally something happened - the last in a long long series of indiffernce towards myself and others that mounts up to monumental selfishness - and it's all snapped.

I'm still hormonally sad after the birth 12 weeks ago but at the same time, I feel freer. Less dragged down and held back and happier for it.

It's still a work in process though. Suppose it always will be!

AnAirOfHope82 · 05/08/2014 12:31

Congrats on new baby Grin Flowers

I think im praticing forgetting all about them and foucsing on my life and dealing with stray memories when they pop up. I think its important to accept its their issue its not me, its just the type of person they are and I cant change them but I dont have to accept being apart of it or enabling it.

Plus im going to focus more on not fucking up my own children and beong a good mother.

AnAirOfHope82 · 05/08/2014 12:42

Im also not going to visit them again.
Im not going to call them and I will only accept their call of its convienant for me.
I will not send photos of my children or drawings or letters or tell them anythong they dont ask about. No free information on my life or family.

Meerka · 05/08/2014 12:56

Ive cut down too. Not that I sent him much info before, seeing as, well, he's just not very interested. But at last all my goodwill has dried up.

My god it's taken a long time.

AnAirOfHope82 · 05/08/2014 14:06

There lost not ours Wink

spanky2 · 05/08/2014 20:37

Well it was the anniversary of going nc with my abusive parents in July. It has been really hard, remembering abuse from childhood and dealing with my whole relationship with them being a lie. I have had really bad depression. Told the doctor about the suicide fantasy that invades my thoughts sometimes, how ill I have been feeling and why I have the depression. I left her speechless. She gave the distinct impression she didn't know what to do to help me, took my advice that maybe four weeks on this new dose of anti depressants wasn't long enough and made an appointment with a different doctor that I had seen before.

MorphineDreams · 06/08/2014 01:17

Bit of a rundown about me.

My dad died when I was a baby. Mum understably got depressed, met my stepdad.

I always grew up thinking my childhood was good, now i realise it wasnt.

me and my brothers didn;t go to school much because our mum was in bed all day (stepdad worked nights so in bed too) we were often starving but too scared to go and get food from downstairs. we would often hide food in our rooms to eat later. thing is we always had the best clothes, best presents, everything like that.

as i got older i looked after my brothers. buying them clothes, feeding them, going to school events, fighting to get them into certain schools. stuff like that

my mum got a bit better when i grew older and we acted as though nothing happened. until recently she punched me and hurt me. then it all came flooding back. my shit childhood.

AnAirOfHope82 · 06/08/2014 08:29

Spanky2 please ask to be refered to the mental health team as the nurse will know alot about the drugs and can find one that will work for you but it takes time. They can also offer counciling both talking about the past/off loading and CBT.

I had PND with my first because I didnt know how to be a mum. It got very bad and the MHT was lovly and really helped me.

DontstepontheMomeRaths · 06/08/2014 09:16

Morphine I'm so sorry to read about your childhood. No one should have to be scared to get food or take over the mothering role for her siblings at a young age. Are you ok after being punched? Have you decided to go no contact? What do you want to do?

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Smudged99 · 06/08/2014 10:31

Hello, does anyone mind if I join? This is my 1st post, but I have lurked for a while.
Background: my parents have always been 'difficult' ie they are ALWAYS right. They look down on everyone and only think of themselves. They hated my EXH (to be fair he hated them too). Incidentally I divorced him last year for incredibly controlling behaviour after 10 years of marriage. I spent quite a bit of time talking to Womens Aid to help me see what he was really like.

Anyway I have come to the conclusion that my parents aren't that much different to my ex and this is such a confusing thing for me. I've got to nearly 40 years old and I've spent all my life trying to live up to their impossible to reach and ever changing standards.
If I try to assert myself I am completely ignored and punished by silence. The most recent example is that a family get together was arranged and my parents wanted me to arrive 4 days early to help set up ( ie clean the entire house and patio). I decided that as I live a 7 hour train ride away and would be with my small child I wasn't happy to do that and arrived the day before the event. This was met with a refusal to meet me at the station. Sending a sibling to collect me but no car seat (they have 1 at their house for these situations). The journey from the station is a 5 minute drive.

Not organising any meals for that night - my daughter 4yrs old ended up eating what I could find in the back of the cupboards and then they ate their own shop bought meal.

They then barely spoke to me or my DD for the rest of the trip. I'm just so fed up with it. I often go over what I could have done differently, but it just doesn't occur to them to try. If I have visitors I plan the evening meal and make sure that I have breakfast things in.

They texted yesterday something completely ordinary as though it has all been forgotten about. I can handle them being like this with me as I'm used to it, but I could have cried for DD.

I feel like just stopping contact, but they are great in other ways- mainly they helped me to finance my divorce, but they are just completely devoid of emotion apart from anger.

As you can imagine this is just the tip of the iceberg but this last visit just feels like the final straw.

How do you all deal with it?

Meerka · 06/08/2014 11:16

money is great - it can be a lifeline- but it can come at too high a price.

If you can it's time to start standing up to them. To call them on not having any food for your four year old daughter!! and their treatment of you. State your piece calmly, without anger but standing your ground. If they get the huff - let them. Go about your own business.

And if they expect you to help thne sure you can - when you are able to. your daughter and yourself come first, not second. You're quite right, this behaviour is completely unacceptable around her. It's unacceptable around you too, but it's easier to stand up for our beloved little ones somehow.

You're probably very right, that your controlling ex and your controlling parents are very similar.

Have yo got someone you can talk all this out with? when you start standing up to controlling people, they don't like it. Can't cope. They will get nastier, but the price of not standing up to them is remaining under their thumb for the rest of their lives. They may end up having less contact with you (a good thing from the sound of it!) or they may, eventually, change.

If you remain calm, offer what YOU wish to offer in terms of contact and help, that is a good start.

You can always come and post here.

DontstepontheMomeRaths · 06/08/2014 11:19

Hello smudged. That's so horrible and passive aggressive. I think going low contact is best for your DD tbh. I think guilt is holding you back because they helped finance your divorce but you need to protect yourself from being used and treated so badly. As Atilla often says, we make a mistake of believing our parents will be better grandparents to our DCs than they were as parents to us, but they're not sadly. She needs protecting emotionally from them.

That's how most of us cope tbh by reducing or stopping contact, good counselling, reading books and talking on here.

The hardest part is processing our childhood and accepting they'll never be the parents we long for.

Please post some more if it helps.

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AnAirOfHope82 · 06/08/2014 11:32

Sorry I did finish posting as got interupted by littlS people!

Mophine did your mum have depression? Why was you scared to get food? Do you feel able to talk about it? Its not ok to be punched by anyone and its not on to be hit by someone you live with and trust, it is dv.

*Smudged

GoldenGoat · 06/08/2014 11:41

Hello all. Long time lurker, first time poster on this particular board. I thought I was OK with my childhood for a long time. Never really dealt with it properly but I didn't feel like it hindered me too much. And then I started to want to children of my own and I fell apart, just obsessing over how anybody could treat a child in the way my siblings and I were treated so now I'm trying to deal with it and it's all becoming so stressful. I feel like all my confidence and sense of identity is melting away. I'll try to be brief as it's a long story.

My siblings and I were adopted within our family (maternal grandparents) after our mother had severe mental health problems and drug addiction and went AWOL one day. I was already living with our GPs at this point and my brother and sister were left alone at our mother's house until my aunt went to visit, suspicious at my mother's lack of contact.

Up until this point, my childhood had been mostly idyllic. My GPs doted on me and I wanted for nothing. After my brother and sister arrived, obviously the dynamic changed. I didn't respond well to suddenly having to share my room with my sister as you might expect. I was 10 at this point and had been a spoilt only child essentially and I'd barely seen my sister so she was practically a stranger. However, rather than try to facilitate a bond between my sister and I or encouraging me to be more sharing of my space, my grandmother started to emotionally abuse my sister and deliberately widen the gap between us. She would spoil me even more but deny my sister even the most basic of things. I got pocket money, my sister didn't. She would constantly tell my sister she was fat yet feed her fattening foods and make her eat them. My sister had to do all the housework. She was basically Cinderella but without the fairytale ending. My grandmother brought her unflattering and poor fitting clothes and forced her to wear them so she was bullied for how she looked by other family members and at school. Basically our grandmother was a typical narcissist and I was the golden child, my sister the scape goat. If I ever made an effort to get on with my sister, my grandmother would get really emotional. She told me she did it for me to show that she loved me and my sister didn't compare. She accused me of being two-faced and refused to talk to me. The biggest fight we ever had was when I refused pocket money until my sister got some too. I was punished for fighting for equality essentially!

While I was my grandmother's golden child, I was my grandfather's scape goat with my brother being the golden child. He would yell at me, say it's my fault that we lived in an unhappy house, chase me through the house screaming at me. If my brother did anything wrong, it was my fault. I think he was incredibly jealous of my grandmother's obsession with me which didn't help.

Most of the articles I read say that the golden child goes on to be a narcissist. I am constantly terrified that I will turn in to my grandmother. I try so hard and am constantly battling guilt towards my brother and sister. I wish I could help them in some way but don't know how. My brother is now a criminal, my sister became a teenage mother which she admitted she planned just to escape our family. Yet she's now closer to my grandparents. I've barely spoken to my grandparents in the last few years, I just feel so angry. When my brother and sister arrived, they were vulnerable young children who had been neglected and abused by our mother. How could anybody harm them knowing what they had already been through? And in my name. I hate her for saying she did it for me. I was a child for fuck's sake.

Sorry for the length of that, I needed to get it out. Trying to get to therapy but I keep backing out. It just feels ridiculous to say somebody else was abused on my behalf and I feel like shit. Maybe I am a narcissist after all. But my pain is legitimate, isn't it? I want a relationship with my brother and sister so badly but I just feel too guilty.

AnAirOfHope82 · 06/08/2014 11:44

Im on my phone, so will try again!

Smudged I had the same thing I visited my parents and they went off had lunch out and left me and family alone at their home with no food. I called them on it, we left and I told them we will not be visiting again. They called me three times to see if I was ok, to make oit it hadnt happened. I ignored twice and on the thired called them on it again and told them again we will just not vosit again.

They will try to make out its dh being controlling stopping them seeing gc. I will put them right each time so then my mum will avoid the issue.

I agree low contact or no contact and refusing to visit again and telling them why. I think it very rude and they will not treat my children like that as its my job to protect them so I will not put them in that situation again.

I will just stop calling her.

Meerka · 06/08/2014 11:55

golden what a horrible, horrible mess. For all of you. I wonder if your grandparent's games are why your mother turned out with MH problems and addictions ...

I would gently urge you to try to go to therapy. You can tell the therapist you are frightened of what might happen and of coming, she or he will know how to help hopefully. Do try to make sure you have an experienced / skillful therapist! through one of the organisations BACP is one, I vaguely remember.

Please be gentle with yoruself. Of course your pain is legitimate.

AnAirOfHope82 · 06/08/2014 12:01

Goldengoat (i love your nn)

Being the golden child is the hardest I think because you have been trained no to complain as you had it good, bit its not true. You were hurt just as much as your brother and sister. Theripy will help and its ok to talk about it.

You saw aduse happen but as a child was not in a position to stop it. All your feeling are valid.

Your gm said it was for you is emotional black mail and said to keep you in your place and its very damaging.

GoldenGoat · 06/08/2014 12:02

Thanks Meerka. I've started to wonder that very thing myself. One of my aunts who is older than my mother is very obviously the golden child of my grandmother's own children so there is a very good chance that my mother was subjected to the same abuse my sister was. It's hard to know though as I have only irregular contact with my mother now.

I am trying to summon the courage for therapy although what may come pouring out is a bit of a scary prospect.

GoldenGoat · 06/08/2014 12:06

Thanks AnAir, at least I got a good nickname out if it eh Grin

I'm starting to realise it was just another form of abuse being the golden child and the things my GM said and did. I'd like to talk to her about it but I know it won't end well

Meerka · 06/08/2014 12:09

It is yes. But if it's any help, people tend to only start really wondering about these things once they are strong enough to bear the (admittedly extremely painful) results. Very occasionaly they start looking at it too soon to be able to handle it, but even in some extreme situatoins people's minds are pretty resilient.

Smudged99 · 06/08/2014 12:55

To be honest I just feel that there isn't really a relationship between my parents and myself anymore. I know that if it had been a friend or partner who treated me like that I would be advised to drop them, but as they are family it is much harder. I told a friend about it and she sugessted that perhaps they are depressed. I have considered this in the past and it's certainly possible that she has been since I was a child, but that doesn't mean that I have to put up with it anymore does it?
She doesn't actually believe in 'chronic' depression though. For example I became very down and quite unwell earlier this year. She was superficially sympathetic ie she called frequently and looked up herbal sleep remedies for me, but was very against me taking anti-d's. She said I should get outside for a long walk instead.
When I became very low I wasn't sleeping and had constant migraines and had to take some time off work. She rang me at home, but I slept through and my mobile was flat- so she called me at work and spoke to my boss in a huge panic as I wasn't answering my phone. My colleagues now all have the impression that she is incredibly caring (which she can be, but only in her own way). I do have 1 great friend who completely 'gets it' , but I'm trying not just moan and whine all the time. I'm coming to the conclusion that I just have to 'get over it' although I have no idea how. The reason I just want to get over it is because I know they won't change- they really just want me to carry on as normal and ideally apologise to them for being awkward or whatever my 'crime' is this time.
I'm also really annoyed because I think my upbringing played a large part in my last relationship. I do not want to repeat that, but I'm now also left with a sense 'who am I?'
It's hardwork.