Inviting a Crossdresser on your Hen Night

[rachelmonday1]

I'm actually a guy that enjoys crossdressing and am very fortunate to have a number of female friends, one of whom is getting married and has invited me to join her friends on her Hen Night. I don't look too bad when I'm dressed as Rachel and often go out with the girls with no problems.

I'm happily married and my wife understands the "Rachel" side of me, but thinks it's odd that a girl would invite a crossdresser on her Hen Night.

Any views out there?

But you say probably. How do you know you have to identify as feminine in order to be accepted wearing trappings of femininity though?

You are expressing that you are female which is different. You are not just being male in a skirt (for example)

I'm not for one second arguing that people should beat you up for it, quite the opposite.

And the point I'm making is the abuse you get is because of the sexism. Because a man becoming female or aping femininity is considered to be reducing himself. Women and men are offended by that not just men. Without the sexism there is no reason to be offended.

So if anything I think you should be more offended by crossdressing because it is promoting the sexism which is causing you to be abused.

Again sexism which negatively affects everyone.

And yes which affects the people who are more obviously not conforming the most.

And an all male school is similar in my view to an all female hen do - likely to be an absolute hotbed of sexism and gender stereotypes. I can only imagine how awful that was for you personally but to me it just supports abolishing these silly stereotypes about gender not promoting them further.

Well yes how do you live as a woman but what else are they to do because actually fundamentally there is no operation or treatment on earth that can actually change your biological sex, they can only change your superficial appearance in more or less extreme ways.

Change what people's perceptions of your biological sex is whether that's legal changes to your birth certificate etc or what people see when they look at you.

The fact you can't live as woman is really because you can't really be a woman. Being a woman is an entirely meaningless thing beyond reproductive function.

Or it should be anyway.

A lot of men cross dress because it turns them on. The number that adopt a 'prostitute' persona utterly sickens me.

Yes very true Exitedwoman.

I think this has been a really interesting thread.

I wouldn't complain or make the person feel awkward if a cross-dressing male was on a hen night with me. I hadn't really thought about the issues that deeply. My DP finds men dressing as women (Mrs Brown, drag in general) as very icky, but has no problem with men either behaving in non-macho fashion or for example, having long hair.

Rachel/Richard I'm pretty sure is probably going to carry on in the women as 'lambrini advert' bubble but its definitely made me (and a few others I'm sure) think a bit differently.

My own tuppence about issues I have, as a feminist I had struggled for years with the whole make-up thing and why women feel the need to wear it, high heels also. I had felt it was very un-feminist to wear make-up.

However, recently I have got into rock music again, was into it pre-DC and find it interesting that quite often male rock musicians dress in a 'feminine' style clothes although being very clearly hetero males, they aren't pretending to be women, they just like and think they look good with long hair & make-up.

I think guys can look fab with make-up/long hair and it is unfortunate that they are called 'gay' or 'fags' for doing so. Women can have a lot more freedom in terms of dress/appearance than men imo. We can in most places wear trousers or skirts. Although some places are still very behind (schools that require girls to wear skirts, jobs that require women to wear make up/dresses, am thinking 'air hostess'.

I wear make-up now if I feel like it.

Well very few women when wearing what would be perceived as mans clothing would stick a sock in their pants to give the right man shape or throw on a blokes hair do wig whatever that would be

But "really butch dressing women" do get this kind of crap levelled at them. I'm not talking simply jeans and a t-shirt, I'm talking women with short hair, no makeup and 'unfeminine' clothes. They get homophobic abuse and sexist abuse all the time; because they dare to deviate from the ideal of a woman being feminine. Women are expected to perform femininity, whereas men like the OP can try it on then take it off again as and when they feel like it. If he was simply saying "I like to wear dresses", I doubt most of the posters on this threat would give a shit. It's the automatic link of 'wearing dresses' with 'doing girly things/being a woman' that is the problem.