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I don't want to rip my family apart but I have to. He slapped our DD's face.

362 replies

FlatsInDagenham · 21/03/2014 23:43

I will try to keep the story short. Last night DH slapped our 5yo DD's face because she was being obstinate, arguing and refusing to listen to him. Not hard enough to hurt much, but still, a slap on the face.

He has form for this kind of thing.

I have told him I want to separate.

He is devastated. I am devastated. When DD finds out, she will be devastated too. Our 2yo DD might not notice much but she loves her dad.

So that's 4 devastated people who want to be together but I am forcing us apart.

But I just cannot accept his treatment of our DD. If he had shown any regret or questioned his own actions at all, I might have been able to help him through it. But he stands by his actions "110%". Just like he stood by his actions the other times. I can't stand by him and let it happen again. I can't co-parent with a man who thinks that a 5yo can be "manipulative", has in the past described her as a "little bitch" and thinks it's ok to slap her face.

He's not a bad person (yes I know how that sounds but it's true). But sometimes he gets it so unbelievably wrong - parenting, I mean. He also has alcohol issues (though I must stress that he hadn't been drinking when this happened) that have plagued our marriage for more years than I care to remember. Many times I thought I'd end our relationship over the alcohol. But in the end it's something else that's tipped me over the edge. He slapped our DD's face. For arguing back. I can't come back from that.

Oh God, please tell me I haven't over reacted (he thinks I have). Please tell me if you think I'm splitting up our precious family unnecessarily.

OP posts:
AskBasil · 23/03/2014 22:35

Oh you have got an axe to grind haven't you itsjustplayingonmymind.

Men who use violence in their families are dangerous to those families. Women should not live with such men.

Lweji · 23/03/2014 22:37

And it's men like this who destroy the families.

Women here, including the OP, have struggled to keep the families, have forgiven, have given advice, have given warnings. If the men (and some women) are so selfish that they can't see or don't care that they are hurting others, then, yes, they are better away from their families.

OP and her children are still a family. One that is probably more loving, secure and stable than with this man in the picture.

Magmar · 23/03/2014 22:38

After a play in advanced search it's obvious that itsjust is a man similar to OP's husband.

BrunoBrookesDinedAlone · 23/03/2014 22:38

Destruction of families?

Ah yes, that'll be the bullying fuck who slaps five year old babies across the face.

Knew this thread reminded me of families being destroyed, timely reminder, so thanks for that itsjust.

Now why don't you just crawl back under your rock?

Or if you're the OP's H, pack your bags, get out, and start sorting yourself out before social services and/or the police are sitting opposite you asking you a few little questions.

LEMmingaround · 23/03/2014 22:51

if itsjust is the OP's DH i am even more concerned for her and her children, he/she sounds derranged.

SimLondon · 23/03/2014 22:52

That's the problem - these men think they're above the law and everything else especially with a drink in them.

waltermittymissus · 23/03/2014 22:56

itsjust from your posting I would say you are either a) a troll b) a religious fanatic or c) an abuser/in an abusive marriage.

If it's a or b you can just fuck off.

If it's c then you need help too.

flats I'm not going to comment on your action plan thus far except to ask you to please, please report the incidents. You don't have to ask the police or SS to do anything right now. You can explain that you are kicking him out but, just in case things don't work out you must make people aware of what he's done as he shouldn't have unsupervised access to the dc.

itsjustplayingonmymind · 23/03/2014 22:56

I am totally against violence and hitting children but my point is STOP giving evil advise like saying leave him there are many other solutions like parenting courses or anger management. Divorce or separation must be the last thing to think about especially when there is kids

SimLondon · 23/03/2014 22:57

Actually it now appears that flat's OH has been posting disturbing posts on this thread and i think that reporting it to the authorities is the way to go.

ChrisMooseAlbanians · 23/03/2014 23:00

OP are you ok?

tribpot · 23/03/2014 23:00

Why not simply post your advice without admonishing us not to post ours, itsjustplaying? Other posters have suggested anger management and parenting courses without finding it necessary to refer to other posters as evil. Do you realise that personal attacks are frowned upon on MN?

SimLondon · 23/03/2014 23:01

Your wrong itsjustplaying - the worse thing is to leave kids in a situation where they witness violence - if there is violence then divorce and separation is the first thing to consider. A parenting course may well be a poor substitute. Anyone being violent against children should be prosecuted and end up in prison - and if you are having any part of this, then that will happen to you.

I'm planning to contact the Dagenham child protection advice workers in the morning.

justwantitmadeforme · 23/03/2014 23:02

it'sjust, have you actually read the thread? this father has form already. fuck parenting classes and anger management, children's safety is paramount.

SimLondon · 23/03/2014 23:04

not - i should add because of what flats has posted but because of what itsjustplaying has added.

itsjustplayingonmymind · 23/03/2014 23:04

I am not her husband , stop being ridiculous

Atbeckandcall · 23/03/2014 23:05

This is not a forum where it is acceptable to tell people to STOP giving advice you don't agree with when an OP has asked for it.
If you don't like it, don't read it.
Your posts have sinister connotations.

SimLondon · 23/03/2014 23:06

Really, she's already said her husband is reading this thread - and you seem to justify leaving children in home where violence can be excused - lets just forward this thread onto the child protection professionals.

plinkyplonks · 23/03/2014 23:09

FlatsInDagenham -

This is about respect and value. Hitting someone shows a lack of respect and empathy towards another human being. A sense of entitlement and ownership. A child is not a possession - he/she is a human being in their own right. This is assault. I can't believe that he thinks it's OK to assault another human being. Completely unacceptable.

Bad people aren't one dimensional characters. My father is otherwise a very nice, good person. He is capable of acts of huge generosity, care, love and compassion. Still, when I was 5 he hit me with a belt across the face. It started off with slaps with his hand across the face, before escalating to harder hits, then belts. When he lost his temper he hit my mother, my sisters, myself, the wall - whatever was available to him.

Somewhere deep down he thought that was an acceptable reaction when he was stressed or his authority / judgement brought into question. It only stopped until I learnt to fight back, at which point I was 15 - doing terribly at school and severe self esteem issues.

Being slapped as a child is painful, humiliating and deeply damaging to your self worth and confidence. It's not just a simple tap when losing temper. It's soul destroying.

Warning signs should be going off now that even after cooling down your husband sees no problem in disciplining your child this way.

This about respect, value and authority in your relationship. He knows you don't agree with him treating your child this way, yet he continues to do so. He doesn't value your opinion otherwise he would stop. Even now, he refuses to see that slapping a defenceless child or anyone for that matter is completely unacceptable.

Not to mention disagreements over alcohol ... You should be working together as a team, making joint decisions on how best to discipline, motivate, develop your children.

As for devastating your children if you separated - kids are strong, vulnerable but incredibly resilient. They will learn how to cope and you will be able to support them in the best way you can. They will remember what's happening, they will pick up the tension between you - all the said and unsaid disagreements.

In all likelihood, staying would be more damaging. It is no coincidence that my grandmother, mother and myself have all been in emotionally and physically abusive relationships. Imagine if one of them had walked away sooner - how much damage could have been prevented.

A father figure is probably the most important figure in your daughters life. You both are the reference point for how men and women should act in relationships, how they should communicate with each other, what love means, what respect means - and not just now, but for the rest of their lives. This is a huge responsibility. It involves making emotionally tough, but unselfish decisions as to what is the best interest for your children - for now and in the long term.

You haven't over reacted. You've done the right thing. Please, please walk away now. There is no excuse to hit a child, ever.

itsjustplayingonmymind · 23/03/2014 23:09

If she wants to separate or leave than her decision and not yours encourage someone to brake the family apart that's pure evil work

PerpendicularVince · 23/03/2014 23:14

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Message withdrawn at poster's request.

justwantitmadeforme · 23/03/2014 23:14

no evil is hitting a five year old and calling her horrible names.

ffs the only person splitting up the family is the complete wanker who bullies his own children.

they deserve better.

waltermittymissus · 23/03/2014 23:14

It's not yours to encourage her to stay either, is it?

You know what's 'pure evil'? Trying to convince a woman to stay with a child abuser because you're either getting your kicks out of arguing with people online, making you a sad bastard, or you're abusive yourself, making you a sick bastard.

So which is it?

SimLondon · 23/03/2014 23:15

nope - evil is slapping young children and trying to convince everyone its justified. Itsjustplaying - i hope you know that every single message you type has your IP address logged.

I'm sorry to be rude but what a numb-nuts.

justwantitmadeforme · 23/03/2014 23:15

and if you're flats husband, it makes me worry even more for her. Shock

flats, I hope you're doing ok, well ok as can be.

thinking of you! hope you and your dcs went home and that he had taken your advice and left.

plinkyplonks · 23/03/2014 23:17

itsjustplayingonmymind -

Yes, because telling someone to leave because their husband is assaulting their own flesh and blood with no remorse is pure 'evil work'.