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Pissed off.....lies, lap dancing and so called friends.

265 replies

Fragglewump · 10/03/2014 11:16

I thought I had an honest marriage until Friday when out for dinner with friends the wife told me that her husband didn't believe in 'paying for it' and that mine probably only did it to 'further his career'. I felt sick and was baffled but didn't tackle as I was a little drunk and totally mortified about exposing this in public. Cue the next morning when dh reveals that a year ago he went to a lap dancing club with his boss and another colleague. He went to a private room with boss and dancer for a private dance. He didn't tell me because he knew it would upset me and he wasn't proud of it. But he did tell our friend!!! I feel sick and teary. It's the lies that hurt most. Dh doesn't think he has broken our trust. I'm upset by the private dance but would find it much easier to move past than being humiliated by a friend. How can I get over this? I feel sad and pathetic. Goodbye honest marriage.

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FolkGirl · 11/03/2014 16:43

Actually, Jan, on reflection, I think I probably would find it erotic yet I'm completely opposed to it and straight.

That's why I'm absolutely not buying that men don't find it erotic!

FolkGirl · 11/03/2014 16:45

I'd imagine they're very skilled at appearing to be interested and turned on by the men. If they looked bored and were chewing gum, they wouldn't get much work!

festered · 11/03/2014 16:59

'I think that was serendipitous for the OP, however she might feel about it at the moment.'

I can agree with that too.
'Strippers' is not realistic, if I compare it to my experiences.

I've never met a successful dancer who is honest about their earnings to the wider audience. It would be detrimental for their living were they to be honest about earning a lot.

Darkesteyes · 11/03/2014 17:00

I didnt watch Strippers for the same reason i didnt watch Benefits Street. Im bloody sick of exploitative tv. I dont like it. i remember when Channel 4 used to be quite innovative.
Now they seem to follow the same remit as BBC3 Channel 5 etc. Ive been watching older comedies and dramas on the internet Much better.

Jan45 · 11/03/2014 17:06

FG: yes, I think I might too....Shock.

Yeah they more they get into it then the more money they get I'd imagine, must take some acting!

I only watched Strippers cos it was in my city so made it a bit more interesting. Regardless of what the truth is, some definitely make a good living out of it. Some of Stripper also supplemented their earnings by doing Web Cams too.

AnyFucker · 11/03/2014 18:16

I think I must have watched a different programme called "Strippers" recently. The two episodes I saw had the girls fully naked for private dances and lots of bodily contact as she sat on his lap and rubbed her genitals on it. The only "contact" that didn't appear to be allowed was the punter's hands directly on her. There was lots of contact going the other way, which amounts to the same thing in my book.

bleedingheart · 11/03/2014 20:20

I wasn't saying it isn't erotic in defence of men who go to lap
dancing clubs, more in puzzlement at the attraction. A man who paid someone to pretend to be turned on and danced for them would be forever diminished in my eyes.

I really am not an apologist for men spending money like this or justifying it. My DH doesn't go to these places and never has. I don't have an agenda to normalise it.

maleview70 · 11/03/2014 20:40

Sometimes these things happen on boozy nights out. I've been a couple of times. Didn't enjoy it at all and found it very intimidating to be honest. However after a shit load of ale, men's brains often disappear out of the window! My first thought the next morning was not to say "yes darling I had a great night last night, got slaughtered and then watched a load of women with their knockers out and even had a private dance with one of em"

It's more a case of "Jesus what a dick I was last night. Hope the lads keep quiet!"

Clearly in this case there was one loose cannon as there often is......"look at me I'm such a good boy, I would never do anything like this but Dave, Pete and Bob did.....brownie points for him.....an ace up the sleeve of his wife and misery for the lads who probably regret what they did but hoped it would be a long lost memory.

Up to you what you do but if it was me I would just say you are terribly disappointed in him and if he does it again it will be a deal breaker. If he is a good bloke other than this then it's surely not a marriage breaker at this stage....is it?

WhateverTrevor83 · 11/03/2014 20:51

Evening all! Smile
OP has started a different thread BTW.

Backinthering · 11/03/2014 21:03

I saw the programme. It was 300 the Brazilian woman made, not 3000. Some of them made shit money and it was a hideous drunken environment.

WhateverTrevor83 · 11/03/2014 21:42

Can't believe Dave, Pete & Bob went there.... Scandal!
Shock

Adeyj · 16/01/2017 19:56

This women is a shit stirer. Private dances are non-contact in the UK. Re-establish the rules of the marriage with your husband, have a bloody good night out with him and tell the wife of the "friend" to go f_ herself.

Kittencatkins123 · 16/01/2017 20:39

I've interviewed lap dancers and sex workers. Yes you get girls who come out with the 'I'm in control/empowered/exploiter line - maybe some of them truly feel that way.

The ones I spoke to either: a) said that but were incredibly young when they started doing it (obvs - as nubile young bodies are preferred), sounded like they were just trotting it out and had never given themselves the chance or had the confidence to do anything else which was utterly depressing and hideous.

b) revealed how little they are paid to get nearly (gstring) or completely naked with someone, that they start the night in DEFECIT to the club as they have to pay for the opportunity to dance there and the first dances you do are just to break even (one of the girls I spoke to had to do five BEFORE SHE MADE ANY MONEY WHICH SHE FINALLY DID ON THE SIXTH DANCE), the guys often put pressure on them to let them touch them or perform sexual acts and due to the competitive nature of what they are doing/the need to get out of defecit can end up doing this to get more private dances bought/regular punters, and are often talked to in horribly insulting/degrading ways by the men, which was utterly depressing and hideous.

Yes some girls at some clubs might be looked after/earn a lot but a lot of girls at a lot of clubs are earning shit all and being abused, drinking or taking drugs to cope.

I'm glad for your friends if they escaped unscathed but I really don't think it's the norm.

I won't get into the wider impact of how this commodification impacts on the way men view women generally but I really think it's worth doing some research before you blindly blah on about how strip clubs aren't that big a deal.

OP - I'm sorry your partner has been such a lying shit. Flowers

bagsandhags · 16/01/2017 20:57

Is this an old thread or are my eyes deceiving me ?

Kittencatkins123 · 16/01/2017 21:24

Agh! Angry
Stupid bloody thread resurrectors!
Thanks bags! Smile

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