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Everything has changed because DP's exW is seriously ill. I'm absolutely stuck.

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PonytailStyle · 01/03/2014 17:48

DP and I met 3 years ago. Both our previous relationships broke down the year before that. It was a rebound thing for both of us in many ways but we did genuinely fall in love. We had 2 lovely years together during which time he was very clear that he was not going to tell his exW about me because he didn't want to hurt her or their adult children. His decision to leave - nobody else involved but he felt incredibly guilty and said that he wanted her to meet someone else before he introduced anyone to them. I accepted this and it suited me at the time as I didn't want that level of involvement. He and his ex remain on extremely good terms and he loves her as a friend. His family mean the world to him.

DP and I parted a year ago but remained in touch. We dated other people but since Xmas we have been considering getting back together. We never stopped loving each other. We both said that this time round his family must know because we are now considering a future together. He actually raised this before I did. I was adamant that I must not be a secret. He said he couldn't lie to his family any more. We were absolutely on the same page about that part. He has said all along that he would only ever introduce a partner to his family if he intended the relationship to be permanent.

We were discussing how to do this and all the other practicalities of being together properly when his exW was unexpectedly diagnosed with cancer. Their children are devastated. Everyone is devastated. Hopefully, she will make a full recovery but that could be many months away. Now is not the time to introduce me to his family. But realistically I'm not sure if I can last indefinitely in this sidelined position. I'm not sure our relationship will last under that sort of pressure. DP has promised to help his ex in any way he can and I admire him for doing that. I know that he wouldn't think twice about mopping up sick or comforting her if she's upset because he's that sort of person. If she asked him to stay over to help her he would. That's one of the reasons I love him. He's a good man.

I've told him that I'm finding it hard and he's trying to reassure me. I feel such a bitch because I'm hardly battling for my life like she is.

I don't want to leave him. I love him and I want to be there for him. He is very frightened for his ex and also his children and trying to put on a brave face for them, rallying everyone round and trying to make sure his ex always has company etc. He only has me to open up to because everyone else is floundering whereas I'm removed from the situation. It's not a burden because I love him but it is very stressful.

I definitely don't want to meet his family right now. It would be too much for everyone involved, including me. His children would see me as a stranger intruding into their lives at a very difficult time. His ex might feel she couldn't ask him for help when she needed it, to say nothing of all the other possible dynamics as she considers her own mortality. She doesn't want to hear that her ex is planning a happy new life with someone when she doesn't even know if she'll be alive this time next year. I don't want to add to anyone's sadness.

I feel so selfish to even think that I've got a problem when she is battling cancer. And I'll feel even worse if I walk away now. I can't walk away. I told him today that he could end it before it goes any further if he felt it was the right thing to do. I think he could do that just on the basis of letting me go to be happy with someone else. He is that selfless. But I don't want anyone else.

We are being very very honest with each other and talking loads. We go to bed wrapped round each other every night but every morning I wake up full of doubts and sadness. I don't know what to do for the best.

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LIZS · 02/03/2014 12:19

Putting the ex aside for the moment, it seems clear that he is and will probably always place his dds' feelings above yours. If it were not ex's illness at the focus it may well soon be something else - a relationship crisis, wedding, grandchildren . Is that something you could live with longer term or was something similar the reason you broke up ? tbh it may well be best to put this on hold for now , make a tactical withdrawal and just keep in touch.

Isetan · 02/03/2014 12:20

X posted but a brief true version, give me strength. Let me congratulate you now for when the offspring of the porkies told so far start pro creating and give birth to a new litter.

Branleuse · 02/03/2014 12:22

it is all very peculiar.

it sounds like a man who is very comfortable with lies and leading a double life, in order to maintain an appearance, including people he loves.

it sounds like you are comfortable with being a secret.

it sounds like that there has been a lot of emphasis and drama put into something that didnt need it, and you need to be careful that it isnt the illicitness thats keeping it going here

Fairenuff · 02/03/2014 12:22

we both agreed that if we were to be a couple again then it would have to be out in the open this time and I would be fully involved with his whole life. He explained that he didn't want to do that if I wasn't committed to him and that he wanted to be as sure as possible about me.

This last bit, about him needing you to be fully committed to him before he tells them, seems like another way of hedging his bets, even before the cancer shock.

He, of all people, must realise that commitment is never guaranteed forever. I understand that he doesn't want to get hurt but it's not a reason to keep you a secret from his family.

And now you say that his wife has already had an op for the original cancer? When was that?

Isetan · 02/03/2014 12:23

He lies for his convenience which really is a major red flag, even if you were initially complicit.

PonytailStyle · 02/03/2014 12:27

LIZS - I agree that is a possibility. But is it so wrong to put your children first when they are in crisis? Splitting up was my decision. I wasn't ready to take it any further at that point. I wanted to be on my own for a while.

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Lizzabadger · 02/03/2014 12:29

This is not a good man.

PonytailStyle · 02/03/2014 12:30

Fairenuff - first op was about 10 days ago. 2nd op is tomorrow.

We were discussing all the stuff regarding commitment and the future etc when this other bombshell dropped.

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EverythingCounts · 02/03/2014 12:32

Like FairNuff, I don't like him demanding to be 'absolutely sure' about your commitment to him before he will even acknowledge your existence. He wants a lot more from you than he is willing to give himself. Plus I don't understand why you two didn't go public straight after Christmas, and why even then he was reluctant. The cancer issue is a red herring. He is determined to remain the 'good guy' no matter what the cost to everyone else.

If he says next week that the results are not good and you have to stay secret, I would tell him it's over. You will then be the villain in his eyes, but someone has to be, because it's never him, is it?

Isetan · 02/03/2014 12:32

It's taken you four pages to mention that she has already had an operation. Given that they are in the midst of this family drama, you coming out of the woodwork would be crass but you now know that you are going to be a dirty little secret for an indefinately period. Given how your Ex behaved in the past and how your children reacted, I'm surprised that you colluded in the initial dishonesty.

Twinklestein · 02/03/2014 12:34

He seems more concerned with being seen to be a nice guy than actually being a nice guy; to appear ethical rather than actively being so.

He remembers the hurt on his children's faces when the split was announced, but he still went through with it anyway. He's so determined never to hurt them again, that he hurts you instead.

Ironically, people who are so concerned with public image can often behave dishonourably in the interest of maintaining that image.

The children are unlikely to believe now that your relationship was not the cause of their parents split. He's lied by omission for so long that it would seem unlikely that there would not be a good reason for it. They will notice that you and he are shifty on the details and assume the worst.

This is mess of entirely his own creation: a combination of weakness and bad judgement.

PonytailStyle · 02/03/2014 12:35

Lizza - I don't think he is a bad man. Maybe he hasn't done the right thing in the right way on this occasion but there are lots of good things about him.

Bran - I don't want to be a secret. I'm very uncomfortable with it. That was/is a condition of the relationship continuing. That is my dilemma now. This is about timing and whether I give him more time.

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PonytailStyle · 02/03/2014 12:36

Why does the fact that she has already had an op alter things?

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Fairenuff · 02/03/2014 12:37

OP, I think, on balance, there is too much uncertainty here for you to be committed to this relationship right now.

Does he want you fully in his life or not? That is the bottom line. If it comes with conditions, then the answer is no.

I would not risk wasting potentially years on this uncertainty. He may have good intentions but his reasoning and decision making is totally off kilter. It may be that he is trying to please everyone but that just shows a lack of confidence and honesty.

I would step back again. It shouldn't been this complicated.

Fairenuff · 02/03/2014 12:38

Maybe tell him to give you a ring when he is free to be in an adult relationship?

In the meantime, get on with your life. You never know, the person you should really be with might be just around the corner and you may come to look on this as a lucky escape.

Isetan · 02/03/2014 12:39

Hang on, you got back together over Christmas and he only revealed the news recently. He must have known about her diaognisis for some time and knew full well during this 'commitment' chat that he wasn't going to say anything for another extended period. Urgh, the more you write the less weak but more patholical his lies become.

catsrus · 02/03/2014 12:39

I don't think the OP colluded in any initial dishonesty as she says she is the one who just wanted a fling at that point and she is the one who ended it the first time. I can now see why he might want to be more sure of her before introducing her to his family - and yes, the timing is rubbish.

Bonsoir · 02/03/2014 12:39

I think your DP has not been straight from the outset. I think it is time to walk away and let him take care of his exW.

Isetan · 02/03/2014 12:42

Why does the fact that she has already had an op alter things?

Did you know about the Op before she had it or was it part of the belated disclosure?

EverythingCounts · 02/03/2014 12:43

I am now thinking that he is continuing this way because either he gets to keep on as before, or you will get fed up, ditch him and then he can rationalise his poor behaviour as 'trying to be considerate but selfish Ponytail just wouldn't understand'. Hey presto! Once again, he is in the right.

LBZT · 02/03/2014 12:48

It is dishonest and it will hurt his DD's more than the truth.

My FIL moved another woman in with him and has been in a relationship with her for 7 years. My DH and I and our DC have never been introduced she was hidden from us till about 3 years ago and then explained as just a friend staying for a short while???

We even went to his house for a BBQ once and there were loads of his friends there she hid in the bedroom the entire time?? We found this out later.

It is awful that we know that FIL has a separate life that does not include us we are in this tiny little box. Sorry but what your DP is doing is awful and you are in your own way enabling him to do this.
Bottom line he is not being fair to them or protecting them quite the opposite. It hurtful and confusing and something that can't be understood.

Isetan · 02/03/2014 12:50

catsrus, the relationship lasted nearly two years. It may have started as a good time but the OP ended it because it became more than that for her and the boyfriend wasn't looking so eligible.

PonytailStyle · 02/03/2014 12:51

Isetan - I can assure you that breast lumps are dealt with very swiftly these days. I've had one myself and I have a medical background. It is not unusual to find a lump and be on the table within a matter of days. No way would anyone with breast cancer be left for weeks waiting for an op date. It really did happen that quickly. By all accounts she had a biopsy and got the results and the op date. Then she told the girls with DP present. So it was literally a few days later from them finding out to her having the first op. Histology of local lymph nodes has shown that further surgery is now required.

I don't want to get into has she actually got cancer, has he lied to me etc. I don't believe he has and I do think he's telling me the truth about her illness. I'm not defending him. I'm trying to work what I should do now.

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PonytailStyle · 02/03/2014 12:53

I ended the relationship because I wanted to be on my own for a while. Nothing to do with him not being eligible. I wanted less not more. I just wanted to be me on my own for a while.

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PonytailStyle · 02/03/2014 12:55

Yes, I knew about the op before it happened. The day she told him about the diagnosis he told me. Then the op was a few days later.

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