Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

See all MNHQ comments on this thread

Everything has changed because DP's exW is seriously ill. I'm absolutely stuck.

280 replies

PonytailStyle · 01/03/2014 17:48

DP and I met 3 years ago. Both our previous relationships broke down the year before that. It was a rebound thing for both of us in many ways but we did genuinely fall in love. We had 2 lovely years together during which time he was very clear that he was not going to tell his exW about me because he didn't want to hurt her or their adult children. His decision to leave - nobody else involved but he felt incredibly guilty and said that he wanted her to meet someone else before he introduced anyone to them. I accepted this and it suited me at the time as I didn't want that level of involvement. He and his ex remain on extremely good terms and he loves her as a friend. His family mean the world to him.

DP and I parted a year ago but remained in touch. We dated other people but since Xmas we have been considering getting back together. We never stopped loving each other. We both said that this time round his family must know because we are now considering a future together. He actually raised this before I did. I was adamant that I must not be a secret. He said he couldn't lie to his family any more. We were absolutely on the same page about that part. He has said all along that he would only ever introduce a partner to his family if he intended the relationship to be permanent.

We were discussing how to do this and all the other practicalities of being together properly when his exW was unexpectedly diagnosed with cancer. Their children are devastated. Everyone is devastated. Hopefully, she will make a full recovery but that could be many months away. Now is not the time to introduce me to his family. But realistically I'm not sure if I can last indefinitely in this sidelined position. I'm not sure our relationship will last under that sort of pressure. DP has promised to help his ex in any way he can and I admire him for doing that. I know that he wouldn't think twice about mopping up sick or comforting her if she's upset because he's that sort of person. If she asked him to stay over to help her he would. That's one of the reasons I love him. He's a good man.

I've told him that I'm finding it hard and he's trying to reassure me. I feel such a bitch because I'm hardly battling for my life like she is.

I don't want to leave him. I love him and I want to be there for him. He is very frightened for his ex and also his children and trying to put on a brave face for them, rallying everyone round and trying to make sure his ex always has company etc. He only has me to open up to because everyone else is floundering whereas I'm removed from the situation. It's not a burden because I love him but it is very stressful.

I definitely don't want to meet his family right now. It would be too much for everyone involved, including me. His children would see me as a stranger intruding into their lives at a very difficult time. His ex might feel she couldn't ask him for help when she needed it, to say nothing of all the other possible dynamics as she considers her own mortality. She doesn't want to hear that her ex is planning a happy new life with someone when she doesn't even know if she'll be alive this time next year. I don't want to add to anyone's sadness.

I feel so selfish to even think that I've got a problem when she is battling cancer. And I'll feel even worse if I walk away now. I can't walk away. I told him today that he could end it before it goes any further if he felt it was the right thing to do. I think he could do that just on the basis of letting me go to be happy with someone else. He is that selfless. But I don't want anyone else.

We are being very very honest with each other and talking loads. We go to bed wrapped round each other every night but every morning I wake up full of doubts and sadness. I don't know what to do for the best.

OP posts:
scottishmummy · 01/03/2014 19:41

As I said it yes it's ultimatum time.cancer diagnosis,treatment,remission can last years
He's manipulating you.so you'll never have any difficult discussion,whilst ex has cancer
He's not accommodating you,you're the secret fancy piece

Dinnaeknowshitfromclay · 01/03/2014 19:41

In your shoes I would keep the status quo for six months to the day. Watchful waiting if you like. At the six month point to the day, I would make a decision. By then all will be clearer, treatment for ExW, prognosis etc. etc. I would at that stage insist you are taken out of mothballs (unless it's three days after the funeral or something radical) and a full blown relationship with knowledge of all is entered into. If you love him, although it's a PITA, it may well be worth it. If the above doesn't happen. More prevarication etc. Walk. tell him why you are walking but do so. At least you tried and you know you tried.

Flibbertyjibbet · 01/03/2014 19:42

You say that everything has changed. But nothing has changed really has it?

You split up before because you weren't happy. Now he's got you back but wants it on the same set up ad before... him best friends with his wife, you kept secret. But he knows you won't be happy with that again and so is using his wife's illness as an excuse to keep you accepting the secrecy again.

I don't doubt she has cancer. But shame on him for using it as an excuse to keep you as his little secret for a few more years.

He sounds selfish and manipulative. You can do so much better.

scottishmummy · 01/03/2014 19:49

No I wouldn't go along with any more secrecy,habitually unacknowledged
If he is genuine he'll acknowledge the relationship,and support you give
Another 6mth wait is arbitrary,and doesn't necessarily mean you'll be beter off

Either you stay,knowing this is how it is all the secrecy and what ifs
Or you spilt up.you get support of pals and move on

PonytailStyle · 01/03/2014 19:49

I don't feel I have 6 months to waste if he's not serious.
Yes, I will feel like an absolute shit for asking him to tell his wife about me.
He's coming round shortly. I think I will say that this is not sustainable for me and ask him what his solution is....

OP posts:
ProphetOfDoom · 01/03/2014 19:50

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

PonytailStyle · 01/03/2014 19:51

I mean I will listen very carefully to what he proposes and ask him how it is being fair to me. I'm not going to go along with what he says. Unless it is positive for me.

OP posts:
scottishmummy · 01/03/2014 19:52

No you're not a shit.your his lover,confidant and that's all unacknowledged
Of course he'll cry how could you,she's git cancer.inference being you're heartless
If he refuses to acknowledge you,without delay.there is your answer

Diagonally · 01/03/2014 19:55

This sounds very odd. I've been divorced for 4 years. I'm currently single, exH has recently got serious with a new GF. We've both dated since splitting but never met any of each others new partners because none have been that serious. Nothing has been "kept a secret" it's just his love life is really none of my business and mine isn't his.

If it were me in this scenario (with the cancer diagnosis) it would make no difference to the way I would view his new, serious relationship. In fact, I'd be quite pleased that he had someone supporting him while he would (naturally) be supporting our DC.

So my conclusion is he's making this an issue where there really is no need. Question is, why?

PonytailStyle · 01/03/2014 19:55

By the way, yes I have seen the decree absolute. He definitely doesn't live with his ex. I have heard her on the phone. She never questions his whereabouts or grills him. She sounds really nice actually.

OP posts:
Stockhausen · 01/03/2014 20:04
Thanks
JeanSeberg · 01/03/2014 20:05

Where does he live? Do you stay over at his home?

Logg1e · 01/03/2014 20:05

It doesn't make sense that he's they're just friends and he's kept you a secret from her. Perhaps he just likes her to be under the impression that he's not involved with anyone. That's the nicest explanation I can come up with.

MrsCakesPremonition · 01/03/2014 20:15

I think somebody is making an awful lot of assumptions and decisions about what his ExW may or may not feel, how she may react and what would be the best for her. Which, although it may be coming from a kind place, is not necessarily the best thing to do. I was very ill many years ago, and I hated it when people deliberately kept me out of the loop in order to "protect me" because (in a situation where I had very little control over my body/treatment/washing/eating/bathing etc.) it took away some of the small amount of control I did have left.

I don't know if it is the OP who is making the assumptions, or if they are coming from her DP. I personally find it quite a disrespectful way to treat an adult (and the adult children), but it does seem a convenient way for DP to avoid a conversation he doesn't want to have.

PonytailStyle · 01/03/2014 20:16

He lives about 2 miles from me. I've stayed over at his house many times but he has lodgers and I have dc's at home so it's usually better for him to stay here.

I'm beyond confused. Either he is very very odd or he is genuine or he wants to get back with his ex.

OP posts:
Floggingmolly · 01/03/2014 20:19

He doesn't live with you. So the fact that you hear him on the phone to his ex so frequently is bizarre in itself. Does he store up his calls for when you're together? Confused. Or is it her that's constantly calling him?

PonytailStyle · 01/03/2014 20:21

I totally agree with you, MrsCakes. I would want to know if it were me. He thinks he's protecting her though because she apparently didn't want the divorce and hasn't met anyone yet... I know, I know! I've been very silly.

OP posts:
JeanSeberg · 01/03/2014 20:22

Why is he so involved in her life when the kids are all adults?

Floggingmolly · 01/03/2014 20:23

But, you know, he divorced her anyway...

scottishmummy · 01/03/2014 20:25

Stop making this about the ex.shes under no obligation to you,he is,and you're unacknowledged
You're expected to be lover,friend,confidant,but hey no one has to know?
That's just peculiar and not actions of a committed open man

PonytailStyle · 01/03/2014 20:26

I don't hear her frequently. Maybe more so in the last couple of weeks because there has been tests, results, surgery etc. she doesn't constantly call him I don't feel. If anyone is chasing, then it's him not her.

OP posts:
Fairenuff · 01/03/2014 20:32

I don't think you need to give him an ultimatum OP. But I do think that you should tell him that you're not prepared to be kept a secret like before so, if he wants to be with you, you would expect the relationship to be out in the open.

They probably do know about you anyway, if you've been out with to pubs and restaurants, etc. and met his friends. Word gets around.

Liara · 01/03/2014 20:33

I know a couple who sound like your dp and his ex. They are most definitely divorced, but very, very close friends. There is no chance they will get together again.

Both are worried about the potential impact that a relationship would have on them as friends, and consequently on their children (who aren't adults, though). I can very well imagine that if one of them was going out with someone else they might want to keep that to themselves. All the more so if the other was ill or unwell in any way and needing support.

PonytailStyle · 01/03/2014 20:34

Please bear with me while I rationalise all this. 2 hours ago I thought I was with someone who could be my life partner. Now I don't know. It's difficult to get my head round. And he's on his way round now. I thought about cancelling him but I need some answers. I will update as soon as I can, probably tomorrow. I feel strangely calm though as if it's falling into place...

OP posts:
Floggingmolly · 01/03/2014 20:36

Flowers. Hope it works out.

Swipe left for the next trending thread