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I do have a favourite. And I feel sick about it.

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MyFirstName · 27/02/2014 23:06

Following from a thread earlier (I have namechanged for this)..I read the thread and almost everyone said they loved their children equally.

Well I don't think I do. I kiss or hug my DS (5yo) and these huge waves of love engulf me. I would do anything for him. I bonded with him from birth.

My DD (7yo) in my head she is amazing, wonderful, clever. A pain sometimes. But totally worthy and deserving of soooo much love. But no wave of it engulfing me. I can find her very irritating.

It must affect how I deal with them (I know I am harder on her).

And the worst thing? I experienced favouritism as I was growing up. I was the golden child as far as my DM was concerned. Recently my DSis (we are close) has started to get some counselling to deal with her relationship with our parents and her self esteem issues.

The thread this evening really just slammed it right in my fucking head. I could not say "Yes I love my children equally". How fucking awful is that? There are potentially so many "reasons". Multiple miscarriages before we had her - I know I never truly felt I would have a baby in my arms until she finally arrived...and then crushing PND followed. My relationship with parents...who knows. But I have to, have to, have to fix it. She deserves so much more. They both do. And actually, fuck it so do I.

Anyway. Not quite sure why I am writing this. Am in tears. But DH is out. My best friend is going through a major relationship crisis so cannot call her and I think it would be crass of me to call my sister. So I needed to tell, to confess. To acknowledge I am fucking repeating history. Fuck.

Before doing this post though I have spent the last hour researching local counselling services and emailed one.

I need to deal with this. I am going to deal with this.

Please be gentle with me. Is there anyone who has been through this and got out the other end? Surely I cannot be the only totally crap one. Fuck.

Sorry is so long.

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theincrediblealfonso · 19/04/2014 17:57

Hi MyFirstName,

Just wanted to say that I'm soo glad that everything's so positive between you and your DD now.

pointythings · 19/04/2014 19:16

Hi MyFIrstName, just checking in and agreeing with alfonso - you have really turned things around. Be proud of yourself.

TalkingintheDark · 20/04/2014 00:00

Oh that's such a lovely update. Wonderful. And glad things were ok with your DM too. Well done you!

MyFirstName · 21/07/2014 22:30

Hello All.

Wanted to drop in before the summer holiday start to share an update. There will be cliches and cheesiness. It may end up words vomitted on the page. Unedited. And probably mammoth.

So wow. 5 months on. I have been on a journey. Going for counselling was utterly the right move to make. I have been dealing with - still dealing with - stuff from when I was a child, from pregnancy, from DD"s early days and mostly, mostly mostly my repeated episodes on anxiety.

Stuff to deal with - anxiety caused by some of my DM & DF's parenting styles. Lack of self esteem issues. The need, no the panicky need, to be a people pleaser. To prevent the blow-up aggression from my mother towards my sister. If I did what she wanted I may prevent DM lashing out at my DSis. I never realised how that childhood fear permeated so much of my life - particularly now I have my own family - no longer a singleton - no longer able to control everything. If something is not going to plan, if I am out of control then...anxiety kicks in....lack of control would send me into that same, mirroring spiral of fear that DM's aggression would be triggered.

I do not need to be perfect. I do not need to ward off a temper-fit from my mother. I am not my mother. My mother is not here.

My mother was wrong. But I can empathise with her - she was/is a product of her own upbringing. She was the least favourite and grew up in a home where DV existed. It does not mean she was right. But it allows me to understand. I shall not be confronting my mother about how she behaved. It would not achieve anything. She knows I have been having counselling. When I told her she (half) jokingly said 'It is all right MyFIrstName, you can just blame everything on me." I smiled and said nothing. We have seen each other and still chat regularly. I still love my parents. They do not have the same power over me now I am an adult. I do not blame her for where I am now. What I do with my life now, how I deal with my child-reactions to current situations is now down to me. I recognise where the anxiety has come from. This has given me such strength to put whatever anxiety situation is current into perspective. Deep breath. It does not matter. I am not my mother. My mother is not here. Does this "thing" really matter. Is it needed?

So understanding why the anxiety was so high (to be in control to prevent a risk of aggression) has helped. It puts it in the right box. I feel anxious but I am not a child, I do not need to. I am feeling adrenalin. Cortisol. A 5K run helps (have started running properly - is fab and have lost 10lbs) I have also worked on the need for control. The need for perfection. All tied in with the people pleasing element I suppose. And the low self esteem tied in with this. Little praise whilst growing up. So understanding (still an ongoing process0 that "Good Enough" is well. good enough. Perfect is impossible. I cannot control everything. And why would I want to aim for the impossible and control everything! Bloody hell how exhausting! So, I am slowly beginning to relax. To let go. To think, that is "good enough". To let go of control. To release the reins on the children. Let them have more control as they grow up. It is not an easy process. I have 20/30 years of people-pleasing/control-freakery to re-learn. DH is helping. (He is being amazing through all of this).

And so how has this helped me and DD?

It is a slow, but really positive journey. I love her. She is amazing. She deserves the best mummy I can be. That will not be a perfect mummy. But good enough. And in letting go of the need for me to be perfect (although I am still working on this) I am realising utterly, the need to not try and force her to be "perfect". She has always been a people pleaser in a young-girl kind of way - easy going. Happy, cheerful, thoughtful and obedient. But she want more control over some elements of her life now. Kicking out at her lack of choice sometimes. Which is natural as she is 8 yo now. And this has been where some of my problems have arisen I think. She has tried to grow up, to get more independence. I have feared the lack of control. Anxiety kicks in. Resentment, irritability. A spiral of this and you get to where I was in February of this year.

So, although still a work in progress we (DD and I) are in such a better place. I love her as much as her brother. Sometimes I like her more. Sometimes I like him more. She is wonderful. I am learning to let he be herself. With her own personality. With, I hope far more inner strength and self belief than I ever had/have. I DO NOT want her to be a people pleaser. Charming, lovely, thoughtful yes. People-pleasing anxiety ridden - No.

We talk so much more, and better than before. I told her fairly early on this journey that I was going to try and be a better mummy. To shout less. To be less ratty. I said I would not always succeed. And if I have not quite been "good enough" sometimes I have found myself able to stop. Stop the rattiness. The PA huffing. To take a breath. To apologise for having been like that. To try and explain why. And to start again. It happens less now. The anxiety is less frequent, and like most people, if I am calm within I stay calm outside too.

Every weekday morning I get into her bed for a cuddle to wake her up. She asks for cuddles far more than she ever used to. We had a lovely day out just the two of her last weekend. She wore the oddest outfit (clashing shorts and T-shirt with winter boots - difficult to describe - it was just brilliantly odd). I said nothing. I just grinned, looked at how wonderfully quirky she looked and felt proud of her. 5 months ago I would have been either trying to persuade her to change into something more normal (on a good day) or shout at her. I am learning to let her be her own, wonderful self - rather than what I (wrongly) have as a vision of he perfect daughter. Her school report was fantastic - her teacher-pleasing elements I will still encourage Grin She can still be perfect there. I just want her to be happy - and so that means letting her relax, be herself and find herself. Quirky outfits and all.

As DD says "Perfect is boring". How I love her for saying and believing that. She would prefer to be thought of as weird than perfect.

I said goodbye to my counsellor today. The last session. The door is open if I need to go back. But it is a good time to end. The holidays are here. I am looking forward to them.

I am not totally "fixed". There was no magic switch to make it go away. But I have a tool-box of things to use to help me.

  1. To help control the anxiety.(Breathing exercises and reminding myself, I do not have to be perfect and I am not my mother)
  2. To diffuse the irritability. (Be kind, be kind, be kind - and Does it really matter? And apologise if I am wrong)
  3. To build my sense of self esteem (To list 5 positive things a week for 10 weeks to try and get me thinking that I am good enough).
  4. To relax the control. (As a SAHM I may do the bulk of the domestic management and house stuff - but I do not have to be perfect, have ridiculous deadlines and I can ask for help)

And wonderfully, amazingly these things (which are scarily so intermingled) have all made a difference to how I feel about DD. About life.

So finally a thank you for everyone's support throughout my trials and tribulations. Thank you for not flaming me back in February. Flowers

As I said earlier - I am not totally fixed. No magic switch - but thank fuck (and you guys, and my counsellor) I am on a journey in the right vehicle, facing the correct way.

I love both my children. How fucking amazing is that.

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MyFirstName · 21/07/2014 22:31

Oh - fuck. That is very long. Blush Apologies.

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pointythings · 21/07/2014 22:36

MyFirstName thank you for posting this update. I am in tears. I am in awe of you. You are amazing.
Flowers

ComeHeather · 21/07/2014 22:36

That's bloody brilliant. Well done.

Amazing thread this has been... MN at its best.

Whoknowswherethetimegoes1 · 21/07/2014 22:43

Wow! Lovely. Perfect is boring - what a great saying from your wise daughter xx

OddFodd · 21/07/2014 22:52

I have a large bit of grit in my eye or something. Angry

Your DD rocks. And I'm sure your DS does too.

And, even more importantly, so do you. Because without you being as fabulous as you are, it's going to be much harder for them to grow into fabulous adults. But they are a lot of the way there now

AppleAndMelon · 21/07/2014 23:09

Wow. Read the beginning and end of your thread Flowers - amazing. Now going to read the middle.

Elderflowergranita · 21/07/2014 23:19

Beautiful update. Amazing. So happy for you and DD. You are one strong woman. x

RandomMess · 21/07/2014 23:38

Lovely lovely lovely, you have achieved so very much.

TalkingintheDark · 21/07/2014 23:47

Welling up here too... Thank you for the update. And well done again! Grin

Thanks xx

Pinklaydee1302 · 21/07/2014 23:54

I have one DD and two DS, I would say I have a different love for my boys than DD, it's almost like a little love affair with my boys (obviously without the incest) but my daughter I treat more like a mate. Just way it is

PedlarsSpanner · 21/07/2014 23:59

Oh my goodness. You are AMAZING. Well done.

Whatadonkey · 22/07/2014 00:37

This is astonishing. I have read your whole thread and I am blown away. For several reasons:

I came onto MN tonight as I feel guilty. Feel like a shit mum tonight, I have a horrible temper, get terribly moody and worry about my relationship with Ds1 who is 7. I have read your thread and it has honestly helped so much.

FWIW I feel like I have had a terrible secret for a while now...I think I too have a favourite.DS2 is 4 and he is the light of my life. He is funny, very loving and I utterly adore him. Even with the whinging and silly behaviour every now and then!! Funny really because I suspect I had PND after his birth - felt numb & detached for about a year but then the 'love switch' turned on and I utterly dote on him now. That love physically hurts and takes my breath away.

Yet DS1 was the golden baby. Beautiful, adorable , much wanted and I
had a wonderful time on Mat leave with him. That breathless love was definitely there. But I think a turning point was when I had Ds2. They are only 2 years apart and I really struggled (prob with PND as I say). DH took on a lot of the care for Ds1 and became 'his' ( I know that sounds ridiculous..am writing as I think here so apologies)

Now DS1 is very clever, funny and beautiful. But by god, he can be stubborn, annoying and winds me up to cracking point. I lost it with him earlier today as he got tired & grumpy, stropped about and gave me 'the look' (imagine a 7 year old boy who is having none of it!). DS2 also gets whingy and grumpy but this doesn't make me as angry as Ds1 does for some reason.

Your thread has made me think it's not ds, it's me. I have stupidly high standards and work in a very stressful job. Although I have a great relationship with my own parents, I can see the mistakes they made that I am repeating in many ways.

Thankyou. And I wish you love and luck. You sound like an amazing mother. I intend to spend tomorrow looking at Ds1 through fresh eyes & seeing the amazing kid he is. And if he gets stroppy, or I feel my hackles rising, or he starts with 'the look' I shall take a deep breath and step away.

Sorry for the essay!! I felt I had to respond. I feel very lucky that I found your thread tonight after the day I've had.

And bloody we'll done on the running and 10lb!!

A unMnetty xxx

Meerka · 22/07/2014 08:03

myfirstname ... how amazing. Bouquets of Flowers. May you go from strength to strength

what a donkey ... good luck.

MyFirstName · 22/07/2014 08:29

WhataDonkey - one thing my counsellor told me is that around the age of 7/8 the frontal cortex of the brain starts to develop...the next stages in the brain's maturity. This comes with a greater sense of self, or a desire for control/independence. All entirely natural. But 7/8 years olds may have this developing maturity (not finished and another big push in mid/lete teens) but are often not really sure what to do with it. And then if faced with a parent who is struggling, like I was, it can cause problems.

It is so easy to get wrapped up in "things I need to do" that we forget to look at the people around us. I was like this. My DD (normally compliant, thoughtful, reliable) suddenly became a hinderance. Questioning. Hurumphing. Being away with the fairies. FFS she was the oldest and shouldn't need chivvying. (God this all sounds so awful writing it). DS, my baby, was always a bit rubbish (in a cuddly way) and my expectations of him were nil. DD should be able to do it. (BTW not talking slave labour here - just setting the table, unloading dishwasher stuff etc). SO...if something (or someone) caused a hiccup in my manic rush to get stuff done then irritation would rise. Directed at poor DD. Not directed at me...for trying to do too much. Not directed at DS for again doing the tippingmyheadononesideandlookingcute. Not at DH who has to leave early for work. Not at my expectations - is a tidy house that important. BUt at poor DD.

I have realigned my thinking. If the irritation starts to rise...the anxiety...then

  1. Does it really NEED to be done (right now? Really?) Take a deep breath.
  2. Good Enough is OK
  3. She is a child. I am an adult. She would be boring if she was perfect -Grin
  4. Be kind...Be Kind...Be kind....to her, to myself and how I speak. If I do need to ask the children to do something do it kindly. Assertively not aggressively. They do not deserve the irritation. I do not deserve to feel it.

I will still shout. I will still sometimes be ratty. I am never going to be perfect. I am a hell of a lot better than I was.

And as a result of this whole process I realised that, back in February, I used to kind of dread the thought of the rest of my life. Of more rattiness. More guilt at not being fair to DD. More disgust at repeating my DM's behaviour. More despair of history repeating itself. More anxiety at the inexplicable fear that would rise up my core if I lost control of something.

Now? Now I am, as I said in the right vehicle and facing the right way, I am full of optimism about life. More wonderful times building a new relationships with DD. More laughter. More relaxed times. More smiles. Less crappy irritation, anxiety and fear....and much, much greater ability to deal with them if they happen.

Life is good. I love it.

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Roussette · 22/07/2014 08:30

I have followed your thread and commented back in the beginning and thank you for the updates. Although I am wayyyy many years on from you, I do have a similar situation and I have picked up tips from you here and there which has reminded me about how to be with my very different DC's and I thank you for that. Particularly this..
It is a slow, but really positive journey. I love her. She is amazing. She deserves the best mummy I can be. That will not be a perfect mummy. But good enough. And in letting go of the need for me to be perfect (although I am still working on this) I am realising utterly, the need to not try and force her to be "perfect". She has always been a people pleaser in a young-girl kind of way - easy going. Happy, cheerful, thoughtful and obedient. But she want more control over some elements of her life now. Kicking out at her lack of choice sometimes. Which is natural as she is 8 yo now. And this has been where some of my problems have arisen I think. She has tried to grow up, to get more independence. I have feared the lack of control. Anxiety kicks in. Resentment, irritability.

I don't think the journey ever stops Myfirstname and that's not me being negative. My DD is now in her mid twenties and I still have to remind myself that she is delightfully different and that she isn't going to change and I should celebrate her idiosyncrasies and embrace them. Only yesterday I had a telephone conversation with her and I had to actively think about my responses, and in doing so, the telephone conversation was so much easier - she relaxed, I relaxed and I could help her. (she asks for my advise continually but doesn't really like or want it!) I don't have to be like that with my other DC, there is more spontaneity. Looking at your para above, oh my gosh, that was my DD to a T. I wish I had had some of your insight then - it would have made the teen years so much easier. I was too much trying to mould her into what I wanted her to be - luckily her strong will didn't allow that.

So the point of my thread is to say - keep on doing what you're doing beccause you are doing brilliantly!

Hemlock2013 · 22/07/2014 09:15

What an inspirational thread... Thank you for posting. You will have helped so many mums in this situation. X x

BitOutOfPractice · 22/07/2014 09:39

Oh OP I seem to have something in my eye

I think your list of "tools" contains something that most of us could learn from.

Thank you for being brave back in February and sharing with us so eloquenty xx

MrsLion · 22/07/2014 09:46

Wow! I am am fighting back tears reading this thread.

I have been having a very hard time recently. I won't go into it. But I'm very ashamed to say as a result of other deeply stressful things going on in my life I've been a terrible mother. Shouting and impatient. High, impossible standards for myself and my 3 dc. Especially dear dd7 and dd5. I have also been having horrid, shameful thoughts of wishing I'd only had one and that one would be ds2.

This thread has appeared in my life just when I need it.
I remember the original. I didn't read it all but I have now.

It has made me realise the impact my own childhood had on my self-esteem, my people-pleasing tendencies and control-freakery.

Firstname, thank you for the fabulous, inspiring update. You are truly wonderful. You should be very, very proud.

I have some work to do. Can't wait to get into it.

MyFirstName · 22/07/2014 10:15

MrsLion. The first piece of work to do is be kind to yourself. Flowers.

You say you have had a hard time recently. You have ishhoooos from childhood. You want to change what you are doing. Brilliant. But baby-steps. It will not be a quick switch if your behaviour and thoughts have been off-kilter. Be kind to yourself.

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Whatadonkey · 22/07/2014 10:41

Thank you for such insight and wisdom MyFirstName. If I'm honest I worried about clicking back here and reading any responses. I posted very late last night after a rather stressful day (like the day after the night before oh-my-god-what-did-I-say feeling!!)

I needn't have worried. Your advice is so honest and wise. And i am already feeling less wound up by Ds1 (who has been winding up his little brother but I feel better equipped to deal with it more positively).

And MrsLion, love and strength to you too. Sometimes I feel it just helps to know others are in the same boat and I'm not alone.

MrsLion · 22/07/2014 11:41

Thank you both for your kind and encouraging words. Yes, baby steps. I don't expect big changes, and not overnight but I feel that change is possible. Especially with the deeper problems that have impacted my parenting in the first place.