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Is this email abusive/ am I abusive?

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mayapapaya · 15/02/2014 02:53

I am a regular poster but have changed my name for this. I am at a very difficult place in my marriage for many reasons. Some of the reasons are to do with job and family stress, and are beyond my control at the moment. The primary reason is that my husband thinks I am emotionally abusive.

The latest dispute is about whether this mail below is abusive. A bit of context. He had to unexpectedly travel for work and missed a v important event in DD's life. This is not the first time this has happened. I sent him this email because she was upset, and that got me upset:

"Can you pl arrange things with your boss so that you can DEFINITELY be here for the next event? FIX THIS. I'm sick of this."

I apologised for this "shouty" email later, but he says this is part of a longstanding pattern of abuse, which I can't recognise. I don't see that this email is all that terrible, though I recognise I should not have sent it because there is not much he can do abt the demands of the job at the moment.

I am the first to admit that I have a short temper. I have gone to counselling to try and fix it. I think I have now got my outbursts down to say three or four times a year. I try very hard, but sometimes the stress from other parts of our life spills over. My husband says I should find other ways of coping and not take it out on him. I agree. I find this easier said than done though. When I say I get angry, there is no namecalling/ no fighting in front of the children/no physical abuse. Just me losing my temper like above/sometimes speaking in a nasty tone, and so on.

My idea of marriage is that if one person occasionally blows up, the other person should forgive them if they apologise. I'd do the same with him. However, he is the type of person who stays mostly calm and then has a big blowup once a year or so. I should also mention that he hates confrontation in most areas of his life. He likes pleasant interactions everywhere; but this is something I find unviable in family life.

He is now so furious that he wants to cancel our family holiday because he does not want to go anywhere with me. He has also said really hurtful things, such as "You have been the cause of most of my unhappiness in the past few years." I really don't know what to do now. I have apologised, but he won't accept an apology. Please help.

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SerenaBracken · 16/02/2014 18:25

ALittleStranger Sun 16-Feb-14 10:46:56

Rainbow with all due respect your opinion is worthless. Many people wouldn't tolerate the kind of relationship that you think is healthy. If the OP's DH is among them then your thoughts are unwelcome.

You remind me of the type of women who take offence at other women bringing sexual harassment claims because they always put up with unwanted touching from the boss.

You seem to have some kind of hang up/sexual chip.
Not only do you accuse Rainbow of ignoring her bosses' unwelcome attention, but on another thread you accused me of being "in love" with the ex boyfriend of my daughter who is 44 years my junior.

I think you need to address your problem.

Davidhasselhoffstoecheese · 16/02/2014 20:37

Ive had to work on this too. When you write an email, read it a second time and ask yourself is there a nicer way of phrasing things. Don't press send immediately, sleep on it!

Instead of your angry email maybe try 'we both really missed you tonight at the xxx. You would have been so proud of DD. Any chance you could keep xxx date clear for the next event. Lol'

EverythingCounts · 16/02/2014 21:46

No-one is in a position to say to another poster here 'Your opinion is worthless' or 'Your thoughts are unwelcome'. So whether or not it is against regulations - and we will find out, because I have reported the post - then ALittleStranger, I reckon you ought to wind your neck in. Rainbow expressed an opinion and it's as valid as those that see the situation differently.

I am also of the opinion, like LoonvanBoom and Fatnotfit, that this is a complex situation where it is very difficult to see both sides and where I would be wary of immediately assuming that the OP's husband is a victim of abuse and as such blameless. His reaction, reported by the OP, to her coming home and talking about her therapy was belittling and arguably as abusive as effectively 'shouting' by email. And I don't like the 'You are the cause of my unhappiness' line at all. That is someone trying to shift responsibility for his feelings.

What's also telling for me is that he makes threats which seem designed to upset the OP but doesn't talk seriously about leaving (unless I am missing something - please tell me if I have). That suggests to me that this is all designed to guilt-trip rather than being a genuine expression of deep unhappiness at the OP's hands.

There's also ben lots said about this being possibly the 'last straw' for him after many outbursts from the OP. What about this sudden trip away suddenly being the 'last straw' for the OP? This again is where we need some context. I can see why the OP might want to withhold details but I would be interested to know what his job was, what the event was, an exactly how difficult it would have been to say to his boss 'Sorry, but I really can't this time, as I have been promising my daughter I'd go to her XXX thing and I've missed two already for work. I can't let her down again, so you'll need to ask someone else'.

nuzzlepad · 16/02/2014 23:22

He is now so furious that he wants to cancel our family holiday because he does not want to go anywhere with me.

Sounds like he wants some space at the moment.

I just don't get why people say if one person is calm and the other is more subject to temper, it is easier for the calmer party to control their temper. OP you mentioned you have issues and have had counseling, but how do you know it's easier for your husband and that he simply doesn't say those things through effort?

My mother is exactly like you in that she has nasty blow offs, and says hurtful things designed to not solve anything, but to express her state at the moment and push the other people off the edge to make them experience what she is feeling. She also says she can't help expressing herself and that she tries so hard to hold back. Turns out I am the one between the two of us who is entitled -if there is such thing- to be more shouty and more prone to losing temper. When we visited hospital the doctor said I should be a lot more anxious and hysteric based on my blood test. My mother just replied 'oh, that's how she is. She is the calmer one.' Um, no. It's not easy to be calm. But I do it because I have to.

If you aren't reacting the same to everyone else maybe you feel entitled you could be more rude to him. I agree with the poster previous who walked out on their DH who put them on edge and whose DH came back and never blew off like that again. You do it because you think you can get away with it with him.

PleaseNoScar · 17/02/2014 09:56

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