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How do I respond to this email from DH?

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catgirl1976 · 06/02/2014 09:06

DH and I have some problems. I think a few people on here might remember some of them and some of MN have the strong opinion that DH is not good for me.

However, I do love him. But I am exhausted and unhappy.

I tried to talk to him last night and this morning found the email below in my inbox.

I just don't know how to reply, or what I want. Well I do. I want things back the way they were and I want a partner.

Does anyone have any advice on how I should respond?

Hello Cat,

It guts me to see you so unhappy. It really wasn't the intention. You see there was a time when we had fun and I thought it rocked. So much so I didn't want anything to interrupt that. But you wanted a baby and reluctantly I acquiesced. Thank the stars I did. Look at DS! He is incredible and amazing.

That doesn't help you though. (Actually it should but lets move on from that).

You are right, I have changed. I have grown older, and also commercially very cynical. My entire life I have been looking for happiness, I have actually found it in our DS. I never expected this and certainly didn't ask for it, but he has had a profound effect on my outlook on life.

Its a crime that you were forced (in part by me I guess) back to work so early. I do agree you have drawn the shitty end of a long stick. The answer is simple, that being get a new job. However I fear you will be unhappy wherever you are. Certainly XX despite its shortcomings is far better than any company I have had the grace to work for. I also admit that's not saying much.

You are 100% Correct in that I could do more around the house. I hope you acknowledge the increased effort I have been putting into this. An example would be tidying up even though I have DS. Yes I could do more, but I am sure you can relate to the amount of demands he makes on one and given that its easy to procrastinate. However that said I will increase my productivity and I hope it makes life easier for you.

For me though the nub is that I feel as out of place as you do. I have said repeatedly that I would love to do your job, hell I have even advised you on it (Not that you really need it, you are more than competent, I was just trying to help). The fact of the matter is that at the ripe old age of forty I have no other trade than selling. Between you, me and the gatepost, I cannot and will not return to the environment that I used to inhabit. I cant. Call it burnt out, mid life crisis, or laziness. I simply cannot do that anymore. As I have stated, i would rather clean toilets.

Maybe I should clean toilets. It would be fairer of course to contribute financially. However the one thing that does bring me a modicum of prestige is DS. I have worked so hard (and enjoyed it, a luxury you don't have in your vocation) to help and develop him. I think I am just in being proud of my Son, regardless of bias.

You are right, I do need friends and interests outside this house. However in my experience the Muppets I worked with tended to be the opposite of my outlook in every way. A notable exception would be XX. That said I don't expect to find many “XX's” in any job I stand a snowballs chance of getting.

I can see how hard you are working and pushing yourself. Its obvious that the gas tank it empty and its not sustainable. I will do whatever I can to help, with recourse to the above. I cannot fix your career.

I cannot be the the dude you fell in love with either. I'm older, slower (still quick) and jaded. But the two aspects of my life where I raise a smile are (in order) TDS and you. You are exhausted, mentally, physically and emotionally. Its not surprising give the amount of responsibility on your shoulders. It means everything to me to be able to help, but DS means everything to me too, and I want to have a real, fundamental impact on him and be the father I never had. In a nutshell that means forsaking everything for him.

I don't want to forsake you though. However if we are at the point where you simply don't see why you married me, or that dude that looked you up (and down) in halls then I get it. I am not a parasite and will bow out with as much honour as I can muster.

I love you and always will, but I cant stand seeing you this unhappy. I do believe we can grow from this position, however I respect your feelings too and If that isn't a decision you subscribe to I understand.

I Love you, and pray that is enough.

x

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catgirl1976 · 06/02/2014 13:22

Linerunner

Thank you Thanks

You were my first MN friend and I really value your support and your advice x

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AndMiffyWentToSleep · 06/02/2014 13:22

FWIW I think the last email you sent him was great.

LadyInDisguise · 06/02/2014 13:24

Much much prefer your second answer!
You can feel the anger and how pissed off you are.

Keep this feeling. And refuse to accept any shitty behaviour from him.
Please don't accept half attempts at calming you down so he can carry on doing fuck all all day.
Seriously what sort if man is he to say 'oh can't do anything only own. I need someone to remind me pleeeease.' ADs have never stopped people to take responsibility and initiatives. Being an arse does.

catgirl1976 · 06/02/2014 13:24

Got a reply

You are right it is a start, and when there are so many things to sort out, making a start is the best way to actually begin fixing them, rather than throwing ones hands in the air and exclaiming “I just don't know!”

I think you are being a little too critical of what I am saying. Ill break it down into the points I am trying to make;

I understand how bad things are for you

I have things bad for me too, but want to help you

I cant fix everything in one go

I want to sit down and discuss what is plausible initially and then work from there. For example we seem to have control over our finances. They still arent great but at least we should be able to get through each month. That is something that takes pressure from you and was my initiative.

The same things can be sorted with regards the house and other matters (I dont have any ideas about the rest of the stuff right now, but I am trying to find solutions).

I want to do this in partnership with you, not have you take control of responsibility but for us to mutually motivate each other. That doesnt mean if I dont do what I say I will its your fault. It means that from time to time I would like some encouragement.

You said you dont know where to begin or how to sort this. I am offering a way to begin making things better. I am asking you only for your input towards that.

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SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 06/02/2014 13:26

Catgirl, if he responds to your second e-mail with anger or accusations, then I think you have to start accepting that the relationship is dead.

43percentburnt · 06/02/2014 13:26

Mellow autumn is spot on. Tell him you totally understand he needs to spend time on himself getting focused on finding work. Put baby in childcare full time. Do everything as you currently do. Leave in a few months.

Do this to evidence he cannot cope being a sahd. You may need this.

Take care and PROTECT yourself and your son.
If he chooses to split up then at present he may get main residency - he will then be your sons main role model.

KurriKurri · 06/02/2014 13:27

Although your DH enjoys being with your DS now, I suspect that may wane when your boy gets older and has a more demanding schedule and more complex problems to deal with as a teenager etc. Your DH is not available to you emotionally, I doubt he will be there for your son.

I stayed with a man for years who had no problem playing with babies as long as someone else did the hard stuff. My grown up children now say what a terrible father he was, he could never be bothered to do anything that encroached on his personal time, everything was always about him. If people are selfish they will eventually act selfishly towards all the people in their lives however much they proclaim that they love them.

Good luck - love complicates things and makes you put up with things you really shouldn't, your own well being is just as important as his.

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 06/02/2014 13:27

ooh, xpost.

DreamingAlice · 06/02/2014 13:27

Cat- You are scared because you've taken a stand with that last email. Asserting yourself is the first step in what will almost certainly be the end of your marriage. Is there really any other option at this point, if you and DS are to remain OK?

Believe me, it's normal to feel SO MUCH FEAR at what lies ahead. The day I finally grew a backbone and kicked out Ex after his third affair, I could barely move I was so paralysed by fear. It helped to have a practical plan to focus on so that I wasn't worrying unnecesssarily about stuff that was actually not going to be a problem (childcare, money, where to live).

Fixing relationship difficulties involves both parties getting down in the trenches at least to some degree and working to make it better. What his emails scream to me is that he is in no way prepared to do any of that. Ever. The only person in the trench is you and he wants to shovel more crap on you, pretend he is trying and blame you when it doesn't work.

Others have said this but it bears repeating: You Deserve So Much Better.

phoolani · 06/02/2014 13:27

Ok, I don't know anything other than the brief history given here and I don't know you, OP or your DH. But.
I don't think, standing by itself, the email is manipulative. I think he's just telling you how it is for him and his position. It might sound a bit self serving but we can all sound like that when putting our side across.
Again, not knowing your history, but I think I'd give it a month or so. It'll take you that long anyway to ready up for a separation properly. Take a weekend to do a proper, formal 'hand over' all of household duties and make sure he knows the full extent of what you expect/need and see what happens. Don't take on any of his responsibilities during that time. Make it clear it's make or break; if he wants to be a SAHF, then he gets all the crap that goes with that, not just hanging out with ds.
In the meantime, get finances and such in order. Y'know, just in case. People do change. But not often.

LadyInDisguise · 06/02/2014 13:28

I can't see any answers to the points you made ir any proposals on how to change things. Just that you need to discuss about it....

And you being too critical. Poor him. Someone has dare telling him how it is and he isn't happy. Dear dear dear...,

tribpot · 06/02/2014 13:28

I'd ask him to start off by drafting a schedule of housework and chores to frame these discussions.

BirdintheWings · 06/02/2014 13:28

Oh how nice of him to have taken pressure off you by helping you work out that you are bringing in enough money.

Not.

catgirl1976 · 06/02/2014 13:28

I'm not going to reply to his last e-mail.

I agree that keeping the conversation going like this with him isn't getting me anywhere

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TwelveLeggedWalk · 06/02/2014 13:30

How precisely does you going out to work every day to earn all the money mean that HE has got control of the household finances...??

Sheesh.

BirdintheWings · 06/02/2014 13:31

'Dear TwatH
Stop emailing me. Stop admiring your phrasing. Clean the house.'

SabrinaMulhollandJjones · 06/02/2014 13:31

The thing is, catgirl - you've told him what he can do to make things better for you. Everyone on this thread knows how he can make things better for you:

Not sit playing computer games for 3 days
Do the shopping
Do the laundry
Do some proper housework
Not expect you to organise it all

Oh, and from a previous thread of yours - I think not smashing up the house in anger would be a good thing too.

LadyInDisguise · 06/02/2014 13:31

I am still Hmm on how on earth he can say the finances are in better shape thanks to him when he has been refusing to get any work for the last 4 years....

Anomaly · 06/02/2014 13:32

I would read armadale's post again. Use that as your narrative with regards communicating with your dh and plan your separation. I wouldn't tell him at this stage I would take the time to sort what needs doing and get your head straight. I would definitely up your ds's time in childcare if you can using all the reasons Armadale gave.

petalsandstars · 06/02/2014 13:32

Do not link this thread. It is your safe space to work out what to do. Not his pity party!

catgirl1976 · 06/02/2014 13:33

The finances thing is that this month, he suggested we work out how much money we have every week, take that out in cash and only use that so we don't overspend (as we previously had been doing)

Which is obvious, but something we needed to do and is working. But obviously, whilst it's a good thing it's not going to win a Nobel Prize for contribution to the marriage.

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rainbowsmiles · 06/02/2014 13:36

Well done catgirl. I hadn't even considered the legal stuff - what great advice. The mumsnet auditorium is full. We are on our feet and chanting your name. Hear us ROAR. Play it smart. You are smart and giving and he has played you for a fool. Channel the anger.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 06/02/2014 13:36

If that is his reply, it is still poor me and more of the same from him i.e passive aggressive nonsense. He really enjoys laying into you doesn't he?. He knows all too well how bad things are for you but has never done nothing to change that and is not going to either. This is the real him.

But I have to look at you cat and your behaviours here. What needs of yours are being met here within this godawful relationship?. Did you yourself grow up within a relationship where one of your parents was passive aggressive and or tried to control the other?. What did you yourself learn about relationships when growing up?. Why has any of this from him been at all acceptable to you?.

ExcuseTypos · 06/02/2014 13:36

Catgirl I've read some of your previous threads.

He's never going to "get" it. Marriage is a partnership, you've given him so many chances and so much support but he's not doing the same for you.

You can't keep letting him get away with treating you so badlySad

catgirl1976 · 06/02/2014 13:37

I honestly don't know what I would do without MN

You give me a place to vent, to feel safe and so much support and advice, it's like having several 100 very wise, caring friends

Sorry if that sounded soppy Blush

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