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Can't be bothered to name change. Discovered emails on DH's phone...

752 replies

JonesTheSteam · 01/02/2014 01:21

He's been having an affair with someone he works with...

I felt angry initially. Now just feel numb... :-(

Hand holding please...

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Bogeyface · 24/02/2014 14:27

Laura not necessarily.

If the cheater is the sort of person who would run straight to the OW when asked to give their spouse some space, then the marriage was never going to work anyway as they would always be thinking of the OW (or another one) as "Plan B", so never fully committing to the marriage.

However, someone who truly wants to make their marriage work will realise just what their actions have put them in danger of losing. Being made to live apart from their spouse is a direct consequence of what they did, and at the moment the OP's H hasnt really had any consequences has he? Oh yes, she has shouted and screamed at him, but he would have been expecting that. I would imagine at the moment he is waiting for the shouting to stop, her to "get over it" and things to go back to normal. But they never will and he needs to realise that.

Time on her own may help the OP to get her head on straight without him constantly there, harming her recovery.

JonesTheSteam · 24/02/2014 14:39

That's not what either of us think Bogeyface...

And as I said it's not what I want right now...

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SawofftheOW · 24/02/2014 14:40

Hi Jones, been thinking about you loads and was very sad to read your recent message. I totally agree with LauraBridges - I know that chucking him out is the standard advice on MN but it was never a route I went down as the danger is that (a) it really does throw them into the arms of the other person, and (b) he is your husband and to fight this you need to do it together. I know some men do need to be told to get out, but those are the men who have refused to give up the OW. Your husband sounds very different to that.

And yes, you did know him and you do know him - you just didn't know the monster he became temporarily when he was flattered by the OW. It doesn't mean that your marriage was a lie in any sense of the word but I totally get your pain about his telling her he 'loved her' and telling you he didn't think he still loved you. My DH did exactly the same. Sat in a car outside a pub one evening and said, 'I don't think I love you any more'. I was so stunned that I simply couldn't believe what he had said. He, of course, was already telling the OW that he did 'love' her, unbeknown to me.

My counsellor told me that men who have always set a very high store by fidelity are very much the type to tell the OW that they 'love' them and their wives that they are no longer in love with them as they simply can't cope with doing something that they have long despised. Therefore sublimely they 'regularise' the new relationship by turning it into a love affair and convincing themselves that they no longer love their DW's. My husband now tells me that he never loved the OW, was in the throws of infatuation, and bitterly, bitterly regrets telling her he did.

For what it's worth, the issue I still struggle with nearly 3 years on is the fact that he asked her to marry him. And told me they had been looking at property together big enough for our three children and her three. They had also been looking at OFSTED reports of schools local to where they planned to live. We had another row about this only last night as it remains like a supperating wound in our marriage. So I really get where you are coming from.

But do hold on - he clearly adores you and you adore him. Doesn't mean you can't hate him and despise him and want to kill him as well. You WILL get over this but it just takes so much time. I really do believe that Anti-Depressants do a lot to assist and time, ultimately, begins to dissolve the acute pain. But it will always be there. However, it doesn't mean the end of your marriage so ignore those who tell you it does. Me, my sister and my two best friends have all been through this and we are all still with our DH's. Interestingly, we all have richer relationships with our partners, irrespective of the occasional/frequent spats about the affair. All have had our certainties and foundations fundamentally shaken and sometimes shattered, but new foundations and a more passionate love can follow. Hand holding xx

JonesTheSteam · 24/02/2014 14:40

I feel him moving out will harm our recovery and it certainly won't help the DCs.

As I said several times. Each situation is unique and I'm handling it my way.

I may change my mind next week. Who knows. Am very much living day to day atm.

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JonesTheSteam · 24/02/2014 14:46

Thanks Saw.

Hope you are ok today x

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WhateverTrevor83 · 24/02/2014 15:09

I was one of the kids in a situation like this one, and time apart definitely helped us kids and my mum.

If by recovery you mean staying together, then fair enough. Whatever you think is best. Take care Thanks

Bogeyface · 24/02/2014 15:27

Jones I understand that you feel it wouldnt be appropriate for you, I was just posting in response to Laura. FWIW I didnt kick H out either, mainly for practical reasons TBH, we each do what we feel is best for us. Good luck :)

SerenaBracken · 24/02/2014 17:39

JonesTheSteam Mon 24-Feb-14 14:40:53

I feel him moving out will harm our recovery and it certainly won't help the DCs.

As I said several times. Each situation is unique and I'm handling it my way.

I may change my mind next week. Who knows. Am very much living day to day atm.

I think you'll make it home. You sound like a good couple. ... However!

Have you thought of doing something other than playing in a band at weekends? A weekend in Barcelona, anything?

Blowing a Tuba or whatever you do is hardly sexy. By all means carry on but treat the bloke to some time away.

Go on Jones, get a weekend away for yourselves.

WhateverTrevor83 · 24/02/2014 17:42

WHAT??? Serena are you mad?

OP - Yes, book a weekend away... For you/DC's!
I wouldn't be treating him any time soon (unless he wants to treat you).

And don't give up your hobbies (at all...) why should you have to??? So you can keep an eye on DH?

Stupid advice. Carry on with your band, what you enjoy and your friends away from this shitty situation.

WhateverTrevor83 · 24/02/2014 17:42

Blowing a Tuba or whatever you do is hardly sexy. By all means carry on but treat the bloke to some time away.

Most moronic thing I've ever read on MN. Bar none.

tessa6 · 24/02/2014 17:50

Wow, no doubt OP deserves time away but I would support her doing that with friends and family or alone, as the poster above says. Trying to rekindle something by going to an unfamiliar place, lack of reality and expectation of intimacy and sex with the cheater is rarely good for the betrayed, unless they are feeling particularly strong and independent. If that were to happen, it would be most beneficial if it was orchestrated by the cheater by way of apology and an active attempt to woo back the betrayed partner.

JonesTheSteam · 24/02/2014 18:03

SerenaBracken.

Hilarious.

Do stroll on dear!

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hamptoncourt · 24/02/2014 18:04

serena Really? Are you going to suggest Jones gives her DH more BJs? Treat him to a weekend in Barcelona my fucking arse.

JonesTheSteam · 24/02/2014 18:05

hamptoncourt.

Well I do play the oboe... :-D

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SerenaBracken · 24/02/2014 18:05

I think Jones and her man are on course. He's done every thing Jones wants him to do.

Jones has stated that her weekends are devoted to playing in a band, I said give it up for once and go somewhere romantic.

You go for it Jones, I think you'll both get there. Dump the band for a weekend away.

JonesTheSteam · 24/02/2014 18:06

Not every weekend... and not all weekend...

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WhateverTrevor83 · 24/02/2014 18:09

Oh Serena do shut up.
You might want to give up all your hobbies to cling on to your bloke's ankles. But please don't suggest OP does.
OP keep your hobbies. And your self respect. The only weekends away should be his suggestion.

SerenaBracken · 24/02/2014 18:09

WhateverTrevor83 Mon 24-Feb-14 17:42:06

WHAT??? Serena are you mad?

OP - Yes, book a weekend away... For you/DC's!
I wouldn't be treating him any time soon (unless he wants to treat you).

And don't give up your hobbies (at all...) why should you have to??? So you can keep an eye on DH?

Stupid advice. Carry on with your band, what you enjoy and your friends away from this shitty situation.

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WhateverTrevor83 Mon 24-Feb-14 17:42:39 Sorry, couldn't make any sense of this.

WhateverTrevor83 · 24/02/2014 18:16

That says more about you than me.

tessa6 · 24/02/2014 18:24

Totally weird diversion.

Anyway, Jones. So glad you are functioning and not gone completely round the bend. It's absolutely weird and devastating to go through isn't it?

Any counseling yet, or are you holding off on that? How are you feeling about him and about yourself? I don't mean decision-wise, just emotionally. Any consistency in that?

JonesTheSteam · 25/02/2014 07:10

DH is going to counselling tomorrow night.

I am all over the place. Sometimes angry and sad. Sometimes very upset. I hate what he has done but I still love him.

He says he is struggling at the moment to know what he feels. He just feels numb and guilty about what he's done.

I'm not even sure he really does love me. He seems to be incapable of saying it with any spontaneity. I keep pushing him to tell me how he feels about me and I can see that I'm upsetting him as he is really struggling with his emotions. He has never been great with them in the past but seems worse atm.

I'm feeling less hopeful than ever. And I hate myself at the moment for the shouty, nasty person or the tearful needy pathetic mess I've become around him.

Today is going to be a very long day. I've barely slept and I'm exhausted. This is all exhausting. For us both.

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myroomisatip · 25/02/2014 07:50

Well there you go..... 'the shouty, nasty person or the tearful needy pathetic mess I've become around him.'

Maybe it is time to consider having some space?

JonesTheSteam · 25/02/2014 08:23

Maybe you're right...

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Cringechilli · 25/02/2014 09:27

Jones, I had this 4 years ago. Everything you describe is completely normal and you shouldn't hate yourself over any of your perfectly normal feeling. We managed to stay together and are happy now. It takes a long long time, at least 2 years and you have good days and bad days. Gradually the bad days get less frequent.
You have my sympathy.

MissScatterbrain · 25/02/2014 09:30

Not sure if anyone has recommended this book yet but I would read Shirley Glass's Not Just Friends - it will help you make sense of what you are going through. Your H should read it as well.

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