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Can't be bothered to name change. Discovered emails on DH's phone...

752 replies

JonesTheSteam · 01/02/2014 01:21

He's been having an affair with someone he works with...

I felt angry initially. Now just feel numb... :-(

Hand holding please...

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Only1scoop · 12/02/2014 08:47

Hope first session went as well as possible....I think you get a feel at the first one as to whether it's a route you may wish to take.

I'm quite an open person and quite receptive to counselling etc ....but my Dp really struggled.

I always found the car journey to and from so odd....

Thinking of you

JonesTheSteam · 12/02/2014 09:07

The counsellor seemed lovely. Need to have a long think about things she said.

I am panicking today that DH is only staying out of guilt and not because he truly wants to be with me. I can't stop crying. If that is the case there is no point to any of it, is there?

Sad Sad Sad

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Pimpf · 12/02/2014 09:32

Has he given you any indication of that?

You have to remember this all started recently for you, nothing can make this go quickly I'm afraid. One way or the other you will get through it, but it will be tough.

BuzzardBird · 12/02/2014 09:44

Has the counsellor made you think that or is it your self esteem? It is very unlikely btw.

livingzuid · 12/02/2014 09:53

Jones so glad you liked the counsellor and that what she said was useful. Why do you think he is staying with you out of guilt?

JonesTheSteam · 12/02/2014 09:54

Because I can see how guilty he is about hurting me?

He says he's confused and doesn't know how he could have an affair if he loves me..

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Pimpf · 12/02/2014 10:06

And he should feel guilty, doesn't mean that's why he's staying with you.

We all make mistakes, his is a big one that you're looking to see if you can forgive. It's going o take both of you some time to work through this. Don't be too hard on yourself and talk to him, let him express his feelings and let him know yours

Only1scoop · 13/02/2014 12:14

How are you today Jones?

I'm glad the counsellor was nice....it's so important that it is someone you feel really comfortable with.

Are you deciding if the counselling will be a good route? Did he/she suggest as a couple or individual sessions also?

Day to day life, dc, work etc it's sometimes hard to find time to even speak together ....let alone go for counselling. Did you confide in any friends or family about what has happened?

I would bounce through a feeling of almost a hard 'well don't stay with me if you'd rather be with her, just because you feel guilt' emotion.
To one of just pure open raw hurt.
It's so hard.

I'm thinking of you....

badbaldingballerina123 · 13/02/2014 12:51

Lots of people who love their partners are unfaithful jones , it's very well documented . The reason for his affair will lie within himself , not you and not your marriage .

JonesTheSteam · 13/02/2014 16:12

I think we're going to can't about it tonight, but I think we both think we will try the counselling.

She said it could be a mixture of individual and couples.

I think the trouble with me doubting he loves me is a trust thing... I don't have that trust back yet.

It's just dawned on me he slept with the OW for the first time on DS1's birthday... Feel sick... Sad

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JonesTheSteam · 13/02/2014 16:25

To talk about it tonight. Stupid phone.

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livingzuid · 13/02/2014 16:40

Jones Thanks so sorry. The Trust is going to take a while. I keep saying the same annoying thing but be kind to yourself it's still very early on since you found out. Did you manage to have some fun on ds' birthday?

JonesTheSteam · 13/02/2014 16:46

No he slept with her in September on DS1's birthday.

It was my birthday this week. And no fun...

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Only1scoop · 13/02/2014 16:46

It's a good thing that you are talking

I know that kind of thing is where we find our massive stumbling blocks. That must hurt very much.

Trust is so hard to regain....and diminished respect I feel can come hand in hand with that.

Good to hear you are communicating ....its really small steps now.

I

livingzuid · 13/02/2014 16:55

Sorry pregnancy brain, of course. That's awful :(

Pimpf · 13/02/2014 17:00

Glad to hear your going to talk, just remember to listen and if you need to, remind him that he has to listen to you, really listen. It's no good him just saying sorry and he loves you.

JonesTheSteam · 13/02/2014 17:22

It is livingzuid.

I'm not sure I want to talk to him ever again...

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MissScatterbrain · 13/02/2014 17:34

I really would get this book

Look after yourself - its such a horrible painful time and you need to be kind to yourself Sad

pausingforbreath · 13/02/2014 17:43

De lurking after all the time watching your thread.

It's not an easy thing to stay and try and work through it - it hurts and talking about it hurts .

It's the 'small' things - dates , situations , that are revealed ;all adding up as you find out more, as you talk more that send stabs of shock waves.

Find your own 'baseline of tolerance' and don't accept any less than that.

Look after yourself.

TheBeautifulVisit · 13/02/2014 18:32

Belated birthday greetings, Jones.

tessa6 · 13/02/2014 18:49

Hi Jones

I'm sorry, I know it's hard. I think one of the things that's going to take a long time is the realization that this isn't all about him. The infidelity was all about him, and the focus should stay there. But the rest of this, the marriage and the future, is about you.

I'm not sure you have fully accepted that you could leave him.

I'm not saying I want you to. I don't care. I'm not saying leave the bastard. But I think you are still caught in the terrifying place where you cannot imagine this marriage being over, where you are hoping it can be like it was before, or unable to move on from your thinking and assumptions pre-affair. and so are having to deal with horrendous memories and realizations and fear over his true emotions towards you with no sense of control at all. he is absolutely and completely running the show, intentionally or not. Every doubt, every admittance, every text will pull at you like a leash. Because he is essentially the one with options. And you are the one wondering if the man who has cheated on you and betrayed you horribly and lying to you is staying with you out of guilt. What about you? What about the one who is faithful and kind and clever and compassionate? Why are you the one worrying about his love for you?

You are so caught up in the illusion that his affair makes you vulnerable to losing him. His affair should make him vulnerable to losing YOU.

And I say this with compassion, I promise, but there is every chance he is torn about his feelings. There is every chance he is still communicating with her and unsure what to do. That guilt is playing a part because he hasn't snapped out of the fantasy of the affair. Because he does not truly believe or understand what it is to lose you. I know this is hard and I'm sorry. I don't know enough about what's going on right now to say.

I want you to start thinking in terms of leaving being an option for you. Understand I'm not saying you should leave. I know this seems counter-intuitive, because you think you should make the decision to stay and then 'work at it'. But that's actually the wrong way round, in my view. In order to 'choose to stay' you have to actually genuinely have gone to the place in your mind where you could have been okay with leaving. It's a big psychological difference. To choose properly. It's hugely empowering. That's the only way it's a choice. Otherwise you are putting yourself in a position where you are going to stay with him no matter what he does, no matter what you discover, and obviously that's crazy. You are still incredibly early in the process and reacting out of instinct.

I know this is a difficult thing to accept right now and it seems unhelpful. Of course you don't trust him right now. you'd be mad to. That's okay. It doesn't reflect on anything. It's a totally sane response. You need to protect yourself right now. And slowly it will become clearer the stronger you become.

JonesTheSteam · 13/02/2014 21:22

You are prob right in some ways. It is still v early days though. I haven't made a definite decision one way or another. Just taking it a day at a time...

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tessa6 · 13/02/2014 21:45

Good for you. Thinking of you. yes, it is really early days. Think of yourself as undergoing a really big trauma, because that is exactly what's happening to you. Medical advice is always to avoid making big life decisions at such a time. It's really hard to stick to that and also not sweep it under the rug, which is even more deadly. Our urge to certainty and finality is so so desperate, especially in times of crisis, that we will do anything to feel safe again. But it is an illusion. We are not safe. And we certainly cannot be made to feel safe by the person who is at the same time making us unsafe.

JonesTheSteam · 13/02/2014 21:50

I have told several close friends and colleagues what is going on so I am not facing this alone at all. I have them to turn to for comfort...

Thanks

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JonesTheSteam · 13/02/2014 21:53

And no sweeping anything under the carpet.

We are talking all the time about what has happened.

At the moment I can't control my temper and I seem to shout an awful lot too.

We are both determined to get counselling. I am not sure either one of us feels quite ready for counselling yet, even though we both found the initial session helpful...

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