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I'm so upset and low, Please give me some advice, DH said he's done nothing wrong and it's my fault.

309 replies

prettyhackedoff · 11/01/2014 22:10

Name changed for this. I don't really feel that 'DH' is especially 'D' at the moment.
Apologies that it is long, don't want to drip feed.
We have been together 23 years, married 16 and have 2 kids under 12.
Over the last few months DH has become increasingly critical of me, irritable, short tempered, quick to have an argument about the smallest things. He would also have a go at me about the state of the house, how untidy it is, how unclean it is and how 'he can't live like that any more' (which I took to mean the state of the house). Fair enough, the house has got very cluttered. I work long hours too, I've been getting up at 6 and leaving the house before everyone is awake, then driving almost an hour before getting to work and then putting in a 7 or 12 hour shift in a very stressful job. I find it really hard to have the energy after work, then taking kids to activities, cooking tea, organising everything, etc, doing my CPD in the evenings on line when the kids are finally in bed, to then clean and tidy very much.
DH does no no housework or cleaning.
As the months went by his behaviour got worse, I looked back and realised that the timing coincided with him taking on a new additional management role at work. Since October he had been staying later in the evenings at work (telling me it was because of work). He also seemed more irritable and distracted. I also noticed he was glued to his mobile phone, taking it to the loo, whenever I picked it up, he would snatch it off me, if anyone rang or texted him he'd be jumpy. Naturally I became very suspicious and, asked him on multiple occasions what he was hiding, if something was wrong etc. He would then get very angry, tell me how horrible I was to be suspicious, how terrible it was that I didn't trust him.
He had a week's annual leave with me and the kids at October half term, and he became very irritable, moaning about how 'horrible I was to him, what a mess the house was', etc, and causing arguments.
This happened again during a week's leave he took in December.
The Christmas holidays have been unbearable. My work contract finished just before Christmas and I am now unemployed, and was lucky enough to spend 2 weeks with the kids. DH was dreadful, moaning, irritable, starting arguments and swearing at me. One day the kids and I had a lazy day at home . I had severe sciatica, (he knew this, as we had discussed how much pain I was in). He came home from work late and had a go at me, starting a row about me 'being too lazy to even load the dishwasher'. I had been in so much pain I had spent most of the day in bed or lying on the sofa.
Today I looked at his mobile phone bill for the last month (which is sent to our joint email account, haven't seen any other recent ones) and noticed that he had sent 150 text messages to one number, and multiple phone calls a day to same number. Even phone calls and texts when he was on annual leave. He send text messages to half a dozen other numbers, including mine, and these were in single fingers.
I got hold of his phone, typed up the number, and the name of a female work colleague came up. I went through his phone and there isn't a single message on there to her or from her to be seen.
I confronted him and he said he deleted all the messages because he 'knew I'd be upset if I saw how often he had contacted her' but he had nothing to hide, he hasn't had an affair, she's just a work colleague who he's developed a 'close supportive work relationship' with, and she's only a 'friend' and he's entitled to have a 'friend'. Apparently I 'act like I hate him' (?? ) and again he said it was 'making him stressed that the housework wasn't been done' , that's my fault apparently as 'he doesn't want to spend his weekends doing it.'
We have had a massive row about this. He is adamant he has done nothing wrong, and he 'only deleted the messages because he knew how upset I would be if I saw them' and 'he has not done anything wrong with her'. He only contacted her this frequently' to discuss work'He 'hasn't had sex with her so it can't be an affair' (I asked directly), and that no other man's wife would be bothered or upset by any of this.
He has also become bothered about his weight and appearance excessively in recent months and has lost 1.5 stones.
Interestingly, recently whenever I had voiced my suspicions to him and asked why he was so stressed etc, what was it with him being glued to the phone, etc he told me I was nasty, paranoid, and 'it was all in my head'.
My self esteem has disappeared over the last few months and I have felt unattractive, and unloved. I feel so dreadful tonight.
He is minimising it and I feel he is not being fully honest with me. Again, he has just said he has done nothing wrong and he's sure amongst his work colleagues 'that other people are texting each other that often to talk about work' and that i'm overreacting.
I would be so grateful for an outsider's opinion on this. Am I overreacting ?
Sorry this is so long, thank you for reading this and bearing with me.

OP posts:
ChilliQueen · 13/01/2014 16:58

I think forget THE BOSS. An affair or not. Irrelevant.

Anyone that wouldn't get their wife (or think to get their wife) a take-away and wine to share with them at the end of a long hard day, knowing she was coming home, is not worth talking to - let alone living with.

It is such a small thing, but tells me more about his character than anything else on here. He just doesn't care. This has upset me more than anything else. It shows his true character. And it's actually horrible.

I don't think I would want to mend this if it were me. (Sorry... acknowledge 23 years is a jolly long time).

I know school run etc... but I'm hoping you've packed him some clothes.

TheGinLushMinion · 13/01/2014 17:05

Your H sounds like a selfish wanker of the highest order, the takeaway thing is beyond taking the piss. Not one of your posts mentions any good qualities so even without the affair I'd LTB.

AcrossthePond55 · 13/01/2014 17:09

Also, pay attention to how his story/reasons/excuses are literally all over the page. Reading the things he has said to you to justify and/or lie about his behavior is like being on a carnival ride. Up down zig zag change course let's do another circle. As hard as it is, just try to stop listening to him & try to not allow him to engage you in conversation. Nothing he says matters, is probably lies, and is only hurtful to you. IMHO, the only response I'd make to anything he says would be "I'm sorry you feel that way. If you are so miserable, for the sake of your own mental health you should leave so you can be 'happy'. So, when are you leaving?" or words to that effect. That sentence would probably be appropriate to just about anything he says. Don't try to justify anything to him, not your looks, not the house, NOTHING. He isn't listening and will turn what you say back on you and use it like a weapon.

At this point, IMHO, the fact that he had an affair, physical or emotional, is almost a moot point, although I'm certainly not trying to lessen the pain of his betrayal. The total contempt with which he has treated you in the past, and continues to treat you, is grounds enough for kicking him to the kerb and changing the locks!

Handywoman · 13/01/2014 17:13

OP I am so sad to read these latest posts. Please do insist that he leave the house tonight. I am seething on your behalf.

I so recognize the contempt for the state of the house, my stbxh would grumble about my job getting in the way, him having to look after the kids on his own etc. etc. yet contributed nothing whatever to family life, kids, school, finances, home. Nothing. He saw it all as beneath him. You can't change these values, OP, they are deeply, deeply, entrenched. They are The Real H. He is a selfish, mysoginistic wanker and I would not want him in my house a minute longer. Please have his bag ready at the door.

sending you very un-mumsnetty hugs and some to keep your strength up.

JoinYourPlayfellows · 13/01/2014 17:16

"This man is abusive. Forget about whether or not he's having sex with someone else, it's far less important than the fact that he's an obnoxious, woman-hating bully. He considers you his inferior. That's not fixable."

Solid said this pages ago and she was dead right.

I think he's done you a favour by having this affair, because it's forced you to think about ending your marriage which the shitty, abusive, selfish, financially irresponsible behaviour towards you wouldn't have.

He is a horrible man and a shit husband.

You'll be so much better off without him.

He hates women, so even if he is shagging this other women, you should just pity her.

livingzuid · 13/01/2014 17:19

beast I would have thought so too but there seems to be some amazingly ouvert behaviour in th the office sometimes from supposedly intelligent senior managers which astonishes me. Coworkers always know something is up no matter how discreet people think they are being and I'm sure it's the same in this case.

Anyway it's almost a side point at this stage - even without an affair the op should tell him to sling his hook given how disgusting his behaviour is towards her.

Lizzabadger · 13/01/2014 17:56

Honestly, divorce him already.

ChilliQueen · 13/01/2014 18:03

Whoops... I thought I'd lost this thread. It had disappeared. I think it was only as was watching and had e-mail that could get back in. I'm assuming removed? Something... No idea! I'm very new and don't know too much about how MN works.
PrettyHackedOff... I hope you are OK. Assuming cooking tea or homework or something.
I really admire you. You work, you want to work, you do it for you. You won't have a problem getting through this, you have your own life. Apologies... how old are the DC? Remember seeing under 12, but not sure how young. They too will be fine.
Will the current debt affect what happens if/when you go down the divorce route... you need to speak to someone very soon. He needs to stop buying expensive stuff that you can't afford (and more importantly that is unused... bike). Highly recommend e-bay.
I think if you were firm and serious with him later when he is home you might scare the wotsit out of him. Be brave. Say what you think and mean. BE FIRM AND MEAN IT. (Anyone that didn't get you a take-away/wine when ordering for himself knowing you were due home is frankly a waste of space and he makes me want to cry).

He is the lowest of the low and just thinking about himself.

AgathaF · 13/01/2014 18:34

Does he bring anything positive to your life?

He's bad tempered, unreasonable, entitled, demanding, unable to reflect on his own issues, critical, financially abusive, financially irresponsible, lacking in personal boundaries, living in a fantasy world..................

Please, please get some legal advice. His financial unreliability is so very worrying.

boomoohoo · 13/01/2014 19:01

Pretty I have read most of your thread, and just want to say how articulate, strong and wise you are. I think its likely this prick has been putting you down for years.

Stay strong and wise. And don't let the bastard get you down Wink

BOFtastic · 13/01/2014 19:54

Please tell your friends about this- they love you and would be so upset that you are shouldering all this on your own. I bet the reason the subject gets changed when his behaviour comes up is that they would feel uncomfortable telling you what they really thought of him, given that they've no idea that you are actually considering a break-up.

If my opinion makes any difference,

  1. Yes, I think he's having an affair

  2. He is an astonishingly selfish cunt

  3. Your life will be very much improved when he fucks off.

I'm so sorry you have been dealing with this- you sound like a warm, capable and dynamic woman, the sort of person I really admire. Don't let his atrocious behaviour towards you make you think that you deserve any less than a loving and engaged partner who behaves as though his loves you and the children you have together. You are ENTITLED to that in a marriage. He, on the other hand, seems to think he is entitled to do whatever the fuck he wants.

Walkacrossthesand · 13/01/2014 23:34

Are you able to withdraw domestic services from him, if he won't leave? No meals cooked for him, no laundry done, you act as if he simply isn't there in that regard.

AcrossthePond55 · 14/01/2014 00:05

Walkacross, that's a good idea. Seems as if nothing you do is 'good enough' for him anyway, pretty. So just stop doing anything.

Tuhlulah · 14/01/2014 09:27

Pretty, I would be very tempted to sell his unused bike and pay for a cleaner. You must be exhausted from all this, you need a break. And then get a new haircut and colour with the rest of it.

AnyFucker · 14/01/2014 13:41

How are you feeling today, OP ?

Has posting here helped at all ?

Newyearchanger · 14/01/2014 19:02

How are you OP ? X

NumptyNameChange · 14/01/2014 19:13

how goes it pretty?

just got to catch up after a long busy day. had to make my own and ds' dinner at the end of it which felt like climbing uphill with a camel on my back. if someone else had been there, allegedly my partner and loved one, sitting eating a takeaway and sipping wine whilst i did it i would have wept, screamed, walked out, all three or god knows.

that is so without any consideration or respect or love that it is awful to imagine and makes me really feel for you that you are sharing your life with someone who can be so utterly selfish.

hope you have a chance to come and check in.

Fluffycloudland77 · 14/01/2014 19:17

I've known two affairs where the husband has offered to leave dw for ow & the ow has thought "oh fuck I only wanted sex" and refused the offer.

I wonder if that's why he's refusing to leave, no where to go.

Very mean of her to point at you and laugh. Nasty piece of work.

MinkBernardLundy · 14/01/2014 20:00

It May have been him that see was pointing and laughing at? As in there is the sad mid life crisis fool that I am stringing along.

ChilliQueen · 14/01/2014 20:10

OP/prettyhackedoff... are you OK? You haven't posted. You don't need to tell anyone anything at all. I think people are worried about you. Just let us know you're OK. Please. XXXX

GeekLove · 14/01/2014 21:54

How are you OP? You are stronger than you think but please come back as we are worried about you.
Having no where to go is not your problem anymore. Pack his back and leave your key in the door. He will have the skin of a rhino.
Have you contacted CAB or a solicitor?

Takingbackmonday · 14/01/2014 23:20

His "needs"?!?!?

What he needs is a red hot poker to the arse and to be thrown out.

OP you sound bloody lovely. Don't stand for this.

AcrossthePond55 · 15/01/2014 03:30

I know OP had a concern that her H may have picked up on this thread and she had spoken of not posting anymore, just in case.

Hopefully, that is why we haven't heard from her. That all is OK, but she has chosen to maintain silence.

Pretty, if you drop in on this thread, I wish you the very best of luck and all the beautiful things that life has to offer. Be strong. Be safe.

prettyhackedoff · 15/01/2014 09:51

Hello ladies. I'm sorry I haven't posted.
You all wanted to know if I was ok.
I really would love to tell you that I was ok because I feel so grateful that someone, albeit a stranger, cares, and I'm sorry if I worried anyone.
But on Monday afternoon I thought I'd had the worst 3 days of my life.
I can safely say that the last 36 hours has surpassed that.
Monday evening he came home from work acting as if nothing had happened.
I asked him to come to the kitchen and talk to me away from the children, we were whispering I said you need to go to the Travelodge. He said he didn't want to go, didn't want the children to see we had separated. I suggested I go out for the evening 'to the gym' then when he'd put the kids to bed he phone me, I come home, he go to the Travelodge.
I then went upstairs to use desktop (I rarely use it , I always use my laptop) so he wouldn't see me logging in to mums net.
As I started to type in mums net, previous history/google search flicked up on screen showing things he has clearly not told me about (I don't want to go in to details)
Then I called him up and confronted him.
Still pretends nothing had happened, doesn't want to go, he loves me and kids etc.
Later turns out our youngest had been listening in behind the door whilst we were whispering in kitchen and told our eldest what I had said.
Then 2 screaming crying kids appear saying mummy is being horrible to daddy, sending him away, its all her fault, they don't want us to get divorced, it will ruin their lives etc. They will be so unhappy if we do, mummy please don't send Daddy away. To be fair to DH he told them its not mummy's fault, mummy has done nothing wrong.
Then he said don't worry we won't get divorced, Daddy not going anywhere.
Kids went to bed, he went to spare room.
Yesterday morning he looked like a different man,he was in a state , he actually looked like I feel.
He was home early and did school run. Then he was apologetic, knew he'd done wrong, loved me, didn't want to loose me, he knew he's done something very wrong, but it's not an affair, he's ashamed of what he's done etc. He has got in to vicious circle and downward spiral.He realises now he's been awful for a while and he's not been pulling his weight around house and neglecting me, and yes, everything I've been telling him about how I feel is absolutely true and he's the one with the problem not me etc.
Talked about what had happened ( i know its his version of events of course)
He hates talking about his feeling or anything emotional, that was very unusual for him.
Then he did everything for the kids, made a meal (which I couldn't eat) and behaved entirely differently from usual, Was very quiet and looked very anguished.
I know a lot of posters will come on and 'say bullshit, he's just following the script' and I know that it is probably the case.
But despite last night , he thinks that will make it better the confusing thing is for me its made it worse,
I feel like its taken any power I had away.
I know I sound like I'm going mad.

OP posts:
LIZS · 15/01/2014 09:54

She's ditched him . He stands to lose everything now , hence the sudden change.