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I'm so upset and low, Please give me some advice, DH said he's done nothing wrong and it's my fault.

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prettyhackedoff · 11/01/2014 22:10

Name changed for this. I don't really feel that 'DH' is especially 'D' at the moment.
Apologies that it is long, don't want to drip feed.
We have been together 23 years, married 16 and have 2 kids under 12.
Over the last few months DH has become increasingly critical of me, irritable, short tempered, quick to have an argument about the smallest things. He would also have a go at me about the state of the house, how untidy it is, how unclean it is and how 'he can't live like that any more' (which I took to mean the state of the house). Fair enough, the house has got very cluttered. I work long hours too, I've been getting up at 6 and leaving the house before everyone is awake, then driving almost an hour before getting to work and then putting in a 7 or 12 hour shift in a very stressful job. I find it really hard to have the energy after work, then taking kids to activities, cooking tea, organising everything, etc, doing my CPD in the evenings on line when the kids are finally in bed, to then clean and tidy very much.
DH does no no housework or cleaning.
As the months went by his behaviour got worse, I looked back and realised that the timing coincided with him taking on a new additional management role at work. Since October he had been staying later in the evenings at work (telling me it was because of work). He also seemed more irritable and distracted. I also noticed he was glued to his mobile phone, taking it to the loo, whenever I picked it up, he would snatch it off me, if anyone rang or texted him he'd be jumpy. Naturally I became very suspicious and, asked him on multiple occasions what he was hiding, if something was wrong etc. He would then get very angry, tell me how horrible I was to be suspicious, how terrible it was that I didn't trust him.
He had a week's annual leave with me and the kids at October half term, and he became very irritable, moaning about how 'horrible I was to him, what a mess the house was', etc, and causing arguments.
This happened again during a week's leave he took in December.
The Christmas holidays have been unbearable. My work contract finished just before Christmas and I am now unemployed, and was lucky enough to spend 2 weeks with the kids. DH was dreadful, moaning, irritable, starting arguments and swearing at me. One day the kids and I had a lazy day at home . I had severe sciatica, (he knew this, as we had discussed how much pain I was in). He came home from work late and had a go at me, starting a row about me 'being too lazy to even load the dishwasher'. I had been in so much pain I had spent most of the day in bed or lying on the sofa.
Today I looked at his mobile phone bill for the last month (which is sent to our joint email account, haven't seen any other recent ones) and noticed that he had sent 150 text messages to one number, and multiple phone calls a day to same number. Even phone calls and texts when he was on annual leave. He send text messages to half a dozen other numbers, including mine, and these were in single fingers.
I got hold of his phone, typed up the number, and the name of a female work colleague came up. I went through his phone and there isn't a single message on there to her or from her to be seen.
I confronted him and he said he deleted all the messages because he 'knew I'd be upset if I saw how often he had contacted her' but he had nothing to hide, he hasn't had an affair, she's just a work colleague who he's developed a 'close supportive work relationship' with, and she's only a 'friend' and he's entitled to have a 'friend'. Apparently I 'act like I hate him' (?? ) and again he said it was 'making him stressed that the housework wasn't been done' , that's my fault apparently as 'he doesn't want to spend his weekends doing it.'
We have had a massive row about this. He is adamant he has done nothing wrong, and he 'only deleted the messages because he knew how upset I would be if I saw them' and 'he has not done anything wrong with her'. He only contacted her this frequently' to discuss work'He 'hasn't had sex with her so it can't be an affair' (I asked directly), and that no other man's wife would be bothered or upset by any of this.
He has also become bothered about his weight and appearance excessively in recent months and has lost 1.5 stones.
Interestingly, recently whenever I had voiced my suspicions to him and asked why he was so stressed etc, what was it with him being glued to the phone, etc he told me I was nasty, paranoid, and 'it was all in my head'.
My self esteem has disappeared over the last few months and I have felt unattractive, and unloved. I feel so dreadful tonight.
He is minimising it and I feel he is not being fully honest with me. Again, he has just said he has done nothing wrong and he's sure amongst his work colleagues 'that other people are texting each other that often to talk about work' and that i'm overreacting.
I would be so grateful for an outsider's opinion on this. Am I overreacting ?
Sorry this is so long, thank you for reading this and bearing with me.

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LIZS · 15/01/2014 09:57

Meant to add that I'm sorry you are having such a tough time and hope that you can reassure your dc. Is the internet thing a deal breaker in itself , even without the "affair"?

JoinYourPlayfellows · 15/01/2014 09:57

"I feel like its taken any power I had away."

It hasn't.

You don't owe him anything after the way he's treated you.

And one day of looking sad and cooking dinner is really nothing to write home about, is it?

Look how easy it was for him to do all those things when it suited HIM??

MissScatterbrain · 15/01/2014 09:59

He is still in selfish entitled mode - refusing to give you space, insisting on staying knowing that he can pester you and wear you down. He is still doing thing his way to suit him.

No wonder you feel like this Sad

I would see a solicitor to get some legal advice - this will help you feel more in control. Other things that will help is to gather all the financial information - mortgage, wage slips etc and put in a safe place.

livingzuid · 15/01/2014 09:59

Aw Pretty I'm so sorry he's leaving you in such confusion.

Others with more experience and wiser than me can advise better. I have a few thoughts below.

All I can say is the kids will be fine. Absolutely fine if you decide to end it. It must have been heartbreaking but please don't let that affect you.

The question for me is do you still want to be with him and make a go of it? After all of this?

Has he also agreed to seek help/counselling for his behaviour? Lots and lots of men struggle to express feelings properly but with help he will be able to do so. It's not good enough to use that as an excuse.

He still sounds like a liar and refuses to respect your feelings by giving you space to think things through.

Thanks
livingzuid · 15/01/2014 10:00

I meant to say ....let your children's emotions affect your decisions. They will be ok.

prettyhackedoff · 15/01/2014 10:00

I haven't slept more than an hour or so since Saturday.
Apart from cups of tea and a half a bowl of soup last night I haven't eaten since Saturday breakfast.
I've lost 8 kg since last week (at least he can't accuse me of being fat anymore!!)
Although Im upset Im not working at the moment, I thank my lucky stars I was unexpectedly in this position. I wouldn't be fit for work at the moment and to go of sick in my profession is considered very bad form and causes lots of practical problems.
I still haven't spoken to any one in RL.
I have 3 friends I could potentially talk to. Two of them I'm currently supporting through their problems, so can't burden them with mine.
The one I told about 'dishwasher gate' , my gut instinct is that she knows somethings wrong and yet doesn't want to know. To tell her would also expose me too much from a privacy point of view.
Apart from school run just now, hadn't been out for 36 hours. Don't want to face anyone.
I have been googling the stuff I need to do, I have done things on line to help but to be honest feel so terrible I can't put it in to action today.
What I really need to do is to go and see a GP, but it would be unfair to expect a GP to listen to this when they only have 10 minutes. Very little they could do other than be someone I could vent to.

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livingzuid · 15/01/2014 10:02

And cooking a meal and talking to the children for one evening is not the sign of a reformed character! It takes so much more then that.

livingzuid · 15/01/2014 10:02

The GP is paid to listen to you. Please go. They will refer you to someone who can help.

prettyhackedoff · 15/01/2014 10:15

Thank you to everyone who has posted today.
I totally agree that one evening of doing things normally is not a reformed character.
As I said before I didn't recognise the person DH has become over the last year.
I've found out in the last 3 days I've spent time being married to a man I thought loved me, but who turns out to be a liar, dishonest and a cheat.
I think he's so screwed up in his head he didn't think any of what he was doing was wrong, he has been lying to himself.
I think for the last year he emotionally checked out of the relationship for whatever selfish reasons .
I think the kids made him realise that damage he has done.
That sort of behaviour is so much the polar opposite of how I behave and how I've been in our relationship.
I feel so stupid that I've had the wool pulled over my eyes.

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Thisisaghostlyeuphemism · 15/01/2014 10:18

Go and see your GP. Then go and see a solicitor.

Your husband has been acting like a pig.

You can take the power back. Be strong op.

livingzuid · 15/01/2014 10:20

You've done nothing wrong. People like this are expert manipulators.

apologies, my point on the cooking was aimed at him not you Blush - he can't think that one evening will erase all the pain and hurt he's caused. I was outraged.

Did you make an appointment with the GP?

elastamum · 15/01/2014 10:22

It sounds like he has suddenly wised up to the fact that you are about to chuck him out and that he has nothing else to go to.

So he is backtracking. Massively. Ask yourself whether you believe it is really you that he loves and wants to hang on to, or his lifestyle and family that he doesnt want to lose. Then take some time to decide what you want.

Take back your power. Tell him you want some space and he needs to show you that he really means what he says. Words are too easy.

Investigate what would happen if yu split then take as much time as you like to decide what YOU want. You can do it Smile

Wingdingdong · 15/01/2014 10:23

I know you said that you can't talk to two RL friends because you've been supporting them with their problems - but actually that might be exactly why you CAN talk to them. I have a close friend who has helped me so much recently (different situation, medical advice on serious family illness - but he has given up so much time, offered to take days off work and travel 200 miles etc) and I would do anything at all to help him in return. I couldn't handle any more of my own problems right now but I haven't exhausted my capacity to listen to someone else's - it's like they're two different mental compartments. Try them. Give them the choice, let them know you'll understand if they haven't the mental space to listen, but I bet they will.

ChilliQueen · 15/01/2014 10:25

The GP will listen. Please go.
I hate to say this:
You've been together 23 years - that's a long time.
How long has it honestly been really bad for?
Perhaps he is having a mid-life crisis/weird phase? Perhaps he needs some help.
Perhaps as a couple you need to get back to basics and start again.
Perhaps he hasn't actually shagged THE BOSS - he may have wanted too - but perhaps he hasn't.
It was most likely your DCs reaction that scared him. Perhaps it DID make him realise what he stands to lose and that he has been stupid and mean and selfish.
Perhaps he genuinely realises he's been a wally and wants to start afresh?
I've no idea what you saw on his google history - so obviously all above may be a non starter.
I know it's harder when someone is nice to you to fight against them - much easier if someone is hard and horrid - you can justifiably be angry then.
The children, once (if get to) know facts, will most likely hate DH for a bit, that's normal. The won't understand properly (unsure of actual ages) for quite a few years. Eventually they will understand.
I've no idea really... but if it was a good solid marriage until this episode and the general laziness/selfishness on his part then perhaps you both need to talk and work it out. Would that be possible? Would you even want that? For your relationship to go back to how it was when it was perfect? (Assuming it was perfect.... actually not sure anything perfect!). You know what I mean. Sorry for waffling.

prettyhackedoff · 15/01/2014 10:27

To the person who said is the internet thing a deal breaker in itself, even without the affair.
It may well be. I'm not sure. But it showed me that even when he told me the 'truth' of what he's done, he was still hiding and lying, and had the capacity to lie and hide things from me.
I find that very hard to deal with.
What really winds me up is that when I said it was really unfair, before i found out about the texts/OH, that when I has suspicions and had asked him what was going ,on , that he accused me of not trusting him and accused me of being horrible to him and calling him a liar. And then he gave me an example of something I recently was suspicious about which was perfectly innocent, (and on hindsight it most definitely was, but looked to me like more evidence of an affair. As if to justify why he was wound up by me being suspicious.
I said, 'yes DH, but you were lying to me, you weren't being trustworthy, you were covering things up'
I wonder if my standards are too high, but I didn't expect it to be too much to expect truth, transparency, honesty, from another adult who was supposed to be my best friend and, to to whom I, to quote him 'is the love of his life'

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Dahlen · 15/01/2014 10:29

If he really loves you, respects you and wants to "do whatever it takes" to "make things right again", he will do the one thing you have asked him to do repeatedly since all this kicked off - go to the travelodge for a night and respect your need for head space.

LIZS · 15/01/2014 10:29

No your standards are not too high and I fear there may be more to come if he has lied so repeatedly. Telling GP may seem a big step but I think you may find it a huge relief and empowering and feel supported.

livingzuid · 15/01/2014 10:31

Your standards are not too high. You deserve to be treated with honesty and respect, not being convinced that you are the one in the wrong.

prettyhackedoff · 15/01/2014 10:32

Btw, to the poster who said 'you sound bloody lovely OP'
Thank you so much.
My self esteem has been obliterated by what he has done and that meant so much to me.
It gave me a real boost!

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Thisisaghostlyeuphemism · 15/01/2014 10:34

He has been treating you appallingly. He needs a wake up call. Whether that turns out to permanent or not, is irrelevant now.

He needs to know what he has done has damaged your relationship and that you are not going to tolerate it.

Your standards are not too high. You know, you would never, ever treat him the way he has treated you.

prettyhackedoff · 15/01/2014 10:35

Living,
i actually said to him, when i saw the internet/ggole search stuff that I thought he was manipulating me, and that he was trying to manipulate me.

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ChilliQueen · 15/01/2014 10:40

My dad left my mum (affair with young blonde). He came back home after 2 weeks. Said all a mistake. He left my mum again 5 weeks later... turned out he'd been missing me (his DC) and the dogs... not my mum - he'd been feeling guilty.
If your trust is gone, and if you feel it will never return, then it's sadly over.
He needs explanations for everything. He obviously needs to change. But then, if you're not happy with the type of lies he's been telling - some lies obviously more forgivable than others (and whatever the google search showed), maybe it's not possible to ever trust him again.
You probably all ready know that. XXXXXX

livingzuid · 15/01/2014 10:45

Don't ever doubt the manipulation you've experienced over the last few years :( he's going to deny it. He can't acknowledge that he's done anything wrong. The only hint this might begin to be sinking in is his reaction the other evening to your DCs. About bloody time, that he realises his actions impact a whole family and how awful for you it had to get to this for him to have a lightbulb moment.

You need space and time to process all of this. Is there any chance you could take yourself off just for a night or a weekend, maybe take the kids, go and do something nice with just them?

prettyhackedoff · 15/01/2014 10:49

Made appt with GP cant be seen for a week!!
About to make solicitor appt.
Have looked up a counsellor. I want to go and see them on my own for my benefit.
DH said last night that he thought counselling was a good idea, I said i didn't want to go with him, he said he would go on his own then as he felt he needed to.
Not sure that he will of course but thought it interesting that he brought it up.
I think he knows , because I have told him, that I feel that this is almost the end of the line for me. I suspect he thinks I'm being extreme feeling this way. So I agree, Elastamum, that he is worried that he has nowhere to go, and he is backtracking.
You are right Elastamum, that is what is really worrying me, I suspect that despite what he has said to me in the last 24 hours its not me he scared of losing, because he loves me, but that he doesn't want to lose the kids and his lifestyle , and how he will look to his colleagues and our friends and families. If we split all this will come out and it would make him look awful. I RL he is hugely respected and admired by our friends and people who know us.
Windingdong, that's a fair point. I will reconsider confiding in one of those friends.

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ChilliQueen · 15/01/2014 10:55

I'm sure you could get an emergency doctors appointment? I have to call at 8.30am for a same day appt? Ask them. Please.
Great about solicitor and counselling. That's a very positive start.
Start off separately with counselling. Perhaps you may eventually go together. Perhaps not.
I agree... he may suddenly be frightened about the realisation of everything he is about to lose (that's one of the reasons my dad came back). But a leopard doesn't change his spots, and unless your DH really means to change, then he NEVER will.
Try and get dressed, put something you feel good in on, do you hair and make up and smile. For you. Just for you. You're in control of this situation. Not him. The decision is yours.