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I'm so upset and low, Please give me some advice, DH said he's done nothing wrong and it's my fault.

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prettyhackedoff · 11/01/2014 22:10

Name changed for this. I don't really feel that 'DH' is especially 'D' at the moment.
Apologies that it is long, don't want to drip feed.
We have been together 23 years, married 16 and have 2 kids under 12.
Over the last few months DH has become increasingly critical of me, irritable, short tempered, quick to have an argument about the smallest things. He would also have a go at me about the state of the house, how untidy it is, how unclean it is and how 'he can't live like that any more' (which I took to mean the state of the house). Fair enough, the house has got very cluttered. I work long hours too, I've been getting up at 6 and leaving the house before everyone is awake, then driving almost an hour before getting to work and then putting in a 7 or 12 hour shift in a very stressful job. I find it really hard to have the energy after work, then taking kids to activities, cooking tea, organising everything, etc, doing my CPD in the evenings on line when the kids are finally in bed, to then clean and tidy very much.
DH does no no housework or cleaning.
As the months went by his behaviour got worse, I looked back and realised that the timing coincided with him taking on a new additional management role at work. Since October he had been staying later in the evenings at work (telling me it was because of work). He also seemed more irritable and distracted. I also noticed he was glued to his mobile phone, taking it to the loo, whenever I picked it up, he would snatch it off me, if anyone rang or texted him he'd be jumpy. Naturally I became very suspicious and, asked him on multiple occasions what he was hiding, if something was wrong etc. He would then get very angry, tell me how horrible I was to be suspicious, how terrible it was that I didn't trust him.
He had a week's annual leave with me and the kids at October half term, and he became very irritable, moaning about how 'horrible I was to him, what a mess the house was', etc, and causing arguments.
This happened again during a week's leave he took in December.
The Christmas holidays have been unbearable. My work contract finished just before Christmas and I am now unemployed, and was lucky enough to spend 2 weeks with the kids. DH was dreadful, moaning, irritable, starting arguments and swearing at me. One day the kids and I had a lazy day at home . I had severe sciatica, (he knew this, as we had discussed how much pain I was in). He came home from work late and had a go at me, starting a row about me 'being too lazy to even load the dishwasher'. I had been in so much pain I had spent most of the day in bed or lying on the sofa.
Today I looked at his mobile phone bill for the last month (which is sent to our joint email account, haven't seen any other recent ones) and noticed that he had sent 150 text messages to one number, and multiple phone calls a day to same number. Even phone calls and texts when he was on annual leave. He send text messages to half a dozen other numbers, including mine, and these were in single fingers.
I got hold of his phone, typed up the number, and the name of a female work colleague came up. I went through his phone and there isn't a single message on there to her or from her to be seen.
I confronted him and he said he deleted all the messages because he 'knew I'd be upset if I saw how often he had contacted her' but he had nothing to hide, he hasn't had an affair, she's just a work colleague who he's developed a 'close supportive work relationship' with, and she's only a 'friend' and he's entitled to have a 'friend'. Apparently I 'act like I hate him' (?? ) and again he said it was 'making him stressed that the housework wasn't been done' , that's my fault apparently as 'he doesn't want to spend his weekends doing it.'
We have had a massive row about this. He is adamant he has done nothing wrong, and he 'only deleted the messages because he knew how upset I would be if I saw them' and 'he has not done anything wrong with her'. He only contacted her this frequently' to discuss work'He 'hasn't had sex with her so it can't be an affair' (I asked directly), and that no other man's wife would be bothered or upset by any of this.
He has also become bothered about his weight and appearance excessively in recent months and has lost 1.5 stones.
Interestingly, recently whenever I had voiced my suspicions to him and asked why he was so stressed etc, what was it with him being glued to the phone, etc he told me I was nasty, paranoid, and 'it was all in my head'.
My self esteem has disappeared over the last few months and I have felt unattractive, and unloved. I feel so dreadful tonight.
He is minimising it and I feel he is not being fully honest with me. Again, he has just said he has done nothing wrong and he's sure amongst his work colleagues 'that other people are texting each other that often to talk about work' and that i'm overreacting.
I would be so grateful for an outsider's opinion on this. Am I overreacting ?
Sorry this is so long, thank you for reading this and bearing with me.

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tinyturtletim · 11/01/2014 23:03

He is trying to make you wrong to justify being a lying cheating cunt.

Newyearchanger · 11/01/2014 23:06

In short, he seems obsessed by his new friendship with his female colleague and the faff of housework and boring old stuff isn't appealing to him at all atm, he wants to be free .

He has a crush on her and possibly EA or actual affair but that isn't the reason for him being obnoxious , they are two separate issues.

What work do you do and do you have a new contract coming up?

lisad123everybodydancenow · 11/01/2014 23:13

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elesbells · 11/01/2014 23:17

Yep I would care if my OH was texting a 'work collegue' 150 odd times...I would kick his arse into next week..

I wouldn't even keep asking him to be honest...i would tell him I already know what's going on and leave it there.

I'm so sorry for you, I really am. What do you want to do?

CheerfulYank · 11/01/2014 23:29

Oh I would care and I would NOT be having it.

Twinklestein · 11/01/2014 23:39

What an utterly vile man. Why do you feel compelled to be his slave?

His infidelity may be the only thing to wrench you away from him, so in some ways this is the best thing that could have happened.

You may finally get away from him to a decent quality of life.

tribpot · 11/01/2014 23:42

no other man's wife would be bothered or upset by any of this.

He seems to know a lot about other men's wives all of a sudden.

The affair behaviour seems almost secondary to the fact he's giving you stick about the state of the house, when you've clearly been flat out with your family and professional obligations. Why do you not feel able to tell him to go to hell when he berates you about the housework? Is it because you're afraid of the conversation escalating and him admitting to the affair? He seems to have assumed some kind of bogus authority over you, is this new or has he always been an entitled prick?

He's determined to make it your fault when he leaves. I'm not sure this is a battle you can 'win'.

FreakinAllAboutSugar · 11/01/2014 23:44

If he tries to make anything your fault, just tell the useless bugger to fuck off.

He brings nothing to your relationship or your life.

johnworf · 11/01/2014 23:50

The fact he keeps saying he's done nothing wrong says to me he knows he has done wrong but if he says it enough you/he'll believe it.

Sounds very much like he's having an affair Sad I think you know deep down that he is. It would certainly explain the behaviour.

Do you want to stay with him?

prettyhackedoff · 12/01/2014 00:16

Hi everyone.
He's now saying he only did the texting, because I don't appreciate him, and he's done nothing wrong, his other colleagues text each other that often.
Oh dear me, if I wasn't so upset I would be laughing.
Interestingly everything everyone has said to me I said to him earlier, and he told me that no-one else would feel that way, wouldn't interpret it as that ext, He's not selfish , entitled etc.
He saw me with the lap top out , became very angry and said ' why are you on mums net, what, are you posting what we are talking about on mums net ? You've crossed a line and I will decide what i do about this ' all dramatic and threatening.
I told him that the line was crossed when he sent 150 texts and deleted them.
He didn't have a reply to that.
I need to try and get some sleep now but I can't tell everyone how supportive you've all been.
Sorry if I'm not making sense here. Last night when I talked to him about my suspicions, the arguments, his nastiness re the house etc, he actually said I was 'going mad'.

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Mellowandfruitful · 12/01/2014 00:21

Of course you are making sense. He is trying to make you doubt yourself by saying you are 'going mad'. Don't fall for it.

prettyhackedoff · 12/01/2014 00:23

Tribpot,
I do tell him to go to hell with he gives me stick with the housework.
It causes massive rows which usually accumulate him in telling me to fuck off, that I can't tell hime what to do. Despite the fact until very recently he used to go on and on about how dreadful swearing was, especially the use of the F word.
I've already told him that he's trying to make this my fault, that this is about his behaviour and I won't accept any of this and he denies it. He even had the temerity to tell me he loves me and wants to make it better.
Our eldest told him earlier she couldn't bear us to divorce and youngest in tears.
They are the only things keeping me here.
I don't have a further work contract to go to.That's been very stressful for me but I didn't choose to take my stress out on him or confide in a 'new friend'.
I don't know whether he's evil, or just stupid. I can't believe you can think you know someone for 23 years and they can behave like this.
Bizarre.

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tribpot · 12/01/2014 00:23

Seems odd, given he works with a bunch of manic texters who are in touch with each other night and day, that all his texts are to one person. Where's the 150 texts to his closest male colleagues?

SolidGoldBrass · 12/01/2014 00:47

This man is abusive. Forget about whether or not he's having sex with someone else, it's far less important than the fact that he's an obnoxious, woman-hating bully. He considers you his inferior. That's not fixable.
I bet your 'good' years have been marred by rows whenever you weren't sufficiently obedient. I bet you spent most of them tiptoeing round his ego and telling yourself that it 'wasn't worth having a fight over something so trivial.'
As others have said, start making your plans and gathering the necessary information. You don't need his permission or his co-operation to end the relationship. Best of luck.

Buzzardbird · 12/01/2014 01:10

You can tell whether the texts are 'friend' type texts by the time of day they are sent but I think we all know they are not innocent. Even if they were he is treating you like a cunt...see how he likes that swearword!

FestiveSpiritedwolf · 12/01/2014 02:03

I presume from the children's reactions that they have been hearing the arguments and/or his contempt for you around the home?

No child is going to be happy about their parents divorcing, but long term unhappiness and anxiety is usually caused by the arguments and atmosphere at home, which wouldn't be the case if you were seperated/divorced.

Is it possible to have him leave so that these arguments aren't happening within hearing distance of little ears?

You also need to think what you would advise your children to put up with (or hopefully not put up with) in a relationship, and follow your own advice, because they will learn from your example.

I don't think he's going to take responsibility for his behaviour (the texting/affair, the stuff around the house and his contempt and attitude towards you) and as a couple you could really only fix this if he would take responsibility, apologise and change his behaviour. He sounds like he's going to lie, blame you and carry on at the moment. I don't think anyone could accept living with someone in those circumstances.

AcrossthePond55 · 12/01/2014 02:53

Now is the time to sit down and decide; Are you better off with him, or without him? Is your relationship (in its current shape) what you want your DCs to see as an example of what marriage should be? Would you want them to be treated by their future partners as you are being treated? Only you can answer those questions.

And read SolidGoldBrass's post carefully. Then read it again. And then read it one more time. Those words ARE gold!

You sound like you are just so beat down, emotionally and mentally. I'm so sorry you are having to go through this.

Mrscaindingle · 12/01/2014 07:37

He sounds so unpleasant to live with even without all the texting and the very opposite of a loving and supportive partner.
Your children will be better off not having to live in this atmosphere although they are no doubt worried about what is going to happen. This has to be horrible for all of you and if you can make some plans it will give you a sense of taking back some control which will make you feel a little better.
I found that telling people in RL also helped, you sound badly in need of some support. So sorry you are having to go through this.

Minnieisthedevilmouse · 12/01/2014 07:44

Did you watch the 7.39 over new year? David morrissey/Sheridan smith. Sounds familiar.

The other posters are right. He has become at least infatuated. Whether or not he's actually done anything....

NumptyNameChange · 12/01/2014 07:50

he sounds absolutely awful OP.

can you not ask him to leave for a while so that you and the children don't have to live in this atmosphere? the two of you could meet to talk on neutral ground rather than have all of this in the home day and night.

it would also give you space to think and feel and to support the children and comfort them rather than them carrying on being traumatised by the rowing and atmosphere.

EirikurNoromaour · 12/01/2014 07:51

What he's doing is an affair even if they haven't had sex yet. You know that, so all this arguing is pointless. While he's denying the only course of action is to leave him, which I think you should do regardless due to his horrible, misogynist and entitled attitude towards you.

jonicomelately · 12/01/2014 08:06

You are seriously in pain and have been working very long hours and your dh is shouting at you for not loading the dishwasher? He is telling you that you are mad and paranoid and sending hundreds of texts to another woman?
Do you want your dc to think this is what a healthy relationship looks like?

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MissScatterbrain · 12/01/2014 08:13

He is having an affair.

His behaviour is abusive. He sounds very lazy, arrogant and selfish.

All this arguing and fighting can't be good for you or DC.

You are entitled to tell him to sling his hook as you and DC deserve a husband and father who is a real man who pulls his weight, is supportive and kind.

Pull the rug from under him and the whole house of cards will fall down causing reality to bite him as its obvious that either he is not quite ready to leave (OW might be married?) or just wants his little wifey keeping house and bringing up the kids while he has fun shagging around.

AgathaF · 12/01/2014 08:17

The 'relationship' with his work colleague has clearly crosssed a line, even by his own admission. He is using her for support and "because I don't appreciate him". The time and energy spent doing all that could have been put to better use working on his relationship with you and pulling his weight in the house. The reality is that he is at least having an emotional affair, if not a physical one yet. Does he know what an emotional affair is?

Added to that he is being a knob at home, and the atmosphere there is upsetting your children.

It's time for some clear action. Since he is so unhappy at home it's obvious he should leave, whether that is temporarily or permanent.

It's a worry that he knows that you are posting on here. I assume he would be able to find your thread without too much difficulty if he wanted to. Perhaps it should be relocated so that you can continue to get support without him reading everything?