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I'm so upset and low, Please give me some advice, DH said he's done nothing wrong and it's my fault.

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prettyhackedoff · 11/01/2014 22:10

Name changed for this. I don't really feel that 'DH' is especially 'D' at the moment.
Apologies that it is long, don't want to drip feed.
We have been together 23 years, married 16 and have 2 kids under 12.
Over the last few months DH has become increasingly critical of me, irritable, short tempered, quick to have an argument about the smallest things. He would also have a go at me about the state of the house, how untidy it is, how unclean it is and how 'he can't live like that any more' (which I took to mean the state of the house). Fair enough, the house has got very cluttered. I work long hours too, I've been getting up at 6 and leaving the house before everyone is awake, then driving almost an hour before getting to work and then putting in a 7 or 12 hour shift in a very stressful job. I find it really hard to have the energy after work, then taking kids to activities, cooking tea, organising everything, etc, doing my CPD in the evenings on line when the kids are finally in bed, to then clean and tidy very much.
DH does no no housework or cleaning.
As the months went by his behaviour got worse, I looked back and realised that the timing coincided with him taking on a new additional management role at work. Since October he had been staying later in the evenings at work (telling me it was because of work). He also seemed more irritable and distracted. I also noticed he was glued to his mobile phone, taking it to the loo, whenever I picked it up, he would snatch it off me, if anyone rang or texted him he'd be jumpy. Naturally I became very suspicious and, asked him on multiple occasions what he was hiding, if something was wrong etc. He would then get very angry, tell me how horrible I was to be suspicious, how terrible it was that I didn't trust him.
He had a week's annual leave with me and the kids at October half term, and he became very irritable, moaning about how 'horrible I was to him, what a mess the house was', etc, and causing arguments.
This happened again during a week's leave he took in December.
The Christmas holidays have been unbearable. My work contract finished just before Christmas and I am now unemployed, and was lucky enough to spend 2 weeks with the kids. DH was dreadful, moaning, irritable, starting arguments and swearing at me. One day the kids and I had a lazy day at home . I had severe sciatica, (he knew this, as we had discussed how much pain I was in). He came home from work late and had a go at me, starting a row about me 'being too lazy to even load the dishwasher'. I had been in so much pain I had spent most of the day in bed or lying on the sofa.
Today I looked at his mobile phone bill for the last month (which is sent to our joint email account, haven't seen any other recent ones) and noticed that he had sent 150 text messages to one number, and multiple phone calls a day to same number. Even phone calls and texts when he was on annual leave. He send text messages to half a dozen other numbers, including mine, and these were in single fingers.
I got hold of his phone, typed up the number, and the name of a female work colleague came up. I went through his phone and there isn't a single message on there to her or from her to be seen.
I confronted him and he said he deleted all the messages because he 'knew I'd be upset if I saw how often he had contacted her' but he had nothing to hide, he hasn't had an affair, she's just a work colleague who he's developed a 'close supportive work relationship' with, and she's only a 'friend' and he's entitled to have a 'friend'. Apparently I 'act like I hate him' (?? ) and again he said it was 'making him stressed that the housework wasn't been done' , that's my fault apparently as 'he doesn't want to spend his weekends doing it.'
We have had a massive row about this. He is adamant he has done nothing wrong, and he 'only deleted the messages because he knew how upset I would be if I saw them' and 'he has not done anything wrong with her'. He only contacted her this frequently' to discuss work'He 'hasn't had sex with her so it can't be an affair' (I asked directly), and that no other man's wife would be bothered or upset by any of this.
He has also become bothered about his weight and appearance excessively in recent months and has lost 1.5 stones.
Interestingly, recently whenever I had voiced my suspicions to him and asked why he was so stressed etc, what was it with him being glued to the phone, etc he told me I was nasty, paranoid, and 'it was all in my head'.
My self esteem has disappeared over the last few months and I have felt unattractive, and unloved. I feel so dreadful tonight.
He is minimising it and I feel he is not being fully honest with me. Again, he has just said he has done nothing wrong and he's sure amongst his work colleagues 'that other people are texting each other that often to talk about work' and that i'm overreacting.
I would be so grateful for an outsider's opinion on this. Am I overreacting ?
Sorry this is so long, thank you for reading this and bearing with me.

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livingzuid · 15/01/2014 10:56

Excellent, I am so glad you are seeing GP but Shock at a week. Can they get you a cancellation earlier?

Solicitor etc positive steps in the right direction to taking back control. And hopefully you get to see a counsellor earlier then you get to see the GP! I am not an expert but I think I have read where there is EA it is not a good idea to do couples counselling anyway.

Sorry for saying this but....what an arse. Really. More worried about his reputation and standing with others then looking after his wife. My dad was the same, refused point blank to divorce my mum because of how it would make him look, ignoring all the affairs, shite parenting, EA, etc.

Serve him right for being shown up for the crap husband and parent he is. Why should you help him maintain that facade?!

You are not being extreme. You are making the right choices for you and DC.

(Apologies, pregnancy hormones raging today.)

prettyhackedoff · 15/01/2014 11:01

Chilliqueen, your post of 10.25 is what half my head is thinking, that he realises now what an absolute idiot he has been (including the internet stuff) and that is was the DCs reaction that scared him and made him realise I was being abnormal in how I reacted to what I found, and that this is very real and it is having a huge impact on me and by consequence, on the children. Prior to him changing over the last year our relationship wasn't perfect, but it seemed pretty ok to me, although he has always had a tendency to avoid cooking and cleaning !! I know I will have my faults too, no one is perfect, and I'm sure I haven't always been a perfect wife.
Chilli, your point of 10.40 has also gone through my head too.
You can't be with someone 23 years and suddenly stop loving them despite finding out that the life you thought you were leading wasn't actually happening.
The other half of my head thinks he is like your Dad, he would only want to stay because of the kids and societal/financial/social reasons and to save face with his family. That he is only wanting to stay because he feels guilty and wants to have his cake and eat it.
I know deep down , apart from my heartache and my anguish and worry about how it will damage a divorce will do to the kids ,he has a hell of a lot more to lose than I do if we do split.
I feel so confused.

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prettyhackedoff · 15/01/2014 11:02

LIZS
I feel there is more to come too.
Ever day feels like a new fresh hell and I feel like Im living in fear.

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Thisisaghostlyeuphemism · 15/01/2014 11:02

I don't think he thinks you're being extreme - I think he suddenly realises you might not actually take his shit anymore - he has to pretend you're being extreme so that you hesitate and don't take action against him.

He really has treated you horribly. Not just the ow but in every way.

You sound stronger now. Be strong. He clearly hasn't respected the 'nice' you for years.

prettyhackedoff · 15/01/2014 11:09

Livingzuid,
to be fair, DH hasn't said he is worried about his reputation, that was my interpretation of why he doesn't want our marriage to end.
I may be doing him a huge disservice saying it, of course, he may actually realise he loves me and doesn't want to lose me and realise what a total selfish git he has been.

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prettyhackedoff · 15/01/2014 11:20

This is a ghost,

You are right, this isn't just about the OW. He has treated me badly in lots of ways.
I feel humiliated and upset and hurt that he could compare me to the younger, skinnier, prettier blonde and find me lacking. I feel sick at the thought he might have wanted to, or has, kissed or had sex with someone else.
But it's the lies, cover ups, deceit, etc that have upset me even more.
I have never betrayed him in all our years together emotionally or physically.
I'm old fashioned and I think if you get married you take the vows seriously, for better for worse, sickness and in health etc.
I think he has had a bit of a mid lifer/breakdown over the last year, although thats not an excuse for his behaviour, and whenever I tried to support him or talk to him about it he would just be horrible to me and he would just push me away.
I don't think its wrong not to be married in a long term relationship, bTW, don't mean to offend anyone !
I do feel stronger, When I got up at 7 I felt I was really at the end of my tether. I felt so extreme that he didn't go, I would have to leave tonight, but I can't do that to my kids.
The reason I feel stronger is 'talking' to you guys and hearing your thoughts,.
You have all been such a HUGE support. I feel lucky to have access to the support of such kind people.

Apologies for all my typos and spelling/grammar errors and not being articulate.
No sleep or food for 4 days doesn't facilitate it and I know reading my posts will be a pain!

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Thisisaghostlyeuphemism · 15/01/2014 11:28

You've had a rotten time. Do confide in RL friends - I feel terrible when they tell me about difficult experiences that I never knew.

I would really rise up and show your strength to him now, if you can face it! I would get all the info you need for divorce and I would suggest separation/time apart.

This certainly doesn't mean that you have to go all the way down that route: but it does mean he won't be so happy to shit all over you again.

Your kids do deserve better than to see their mum being treated like a second class citizen.

livingzuid · 15/01/2014 11:44

Ah sorry I am so ranty today, it's not very constructive for you.

You said it in your earlier post though, he has more to lose than you. Of course he does. He's been horrible to you for years and perhaps the penny is dropping that he needs to man up and make amends and maybe, just maybe, it is too late.

Do you want him to come to his senses and realise he loves you though, after all he's put you through over the years?

Don't live in fear - you aren't you are being strong by speaking to a solicitor and going to see the GP. You are taking control back step by step after having had it eroded over the years.

Tell RL friends. They would want to know and to offer you help. Nothing like having a cry over wine with your closest friends for therapy :) And try to get away or get him to go away so you can breathe and think.

Handywoman · 15/01/2014 11:48

I agree with Thisisaghost I can hear the conflicting emotions in your posts, OP.

I think he needs to leave the house for at least a short while to allow you some headspace. IMHO if he really has any respect for you he will do this.

Your children are developing their understanding about relationships from both of you - this is your responsibility. Yes they might be upset, if he goes, but ultimately you are teaching them, like it or not, about how relationships are conducted. If you stay together in the same house you will continually suffocating from the trauma and confusion. This is not fair. Your children cannot see their mum being trampled down and forced to accept abuse and fuckwittery on their behalf. Your kids need to learn that people have emotional boundaries, even their own mum. Please find some strength to sling him out.

Am really angry on your behalf OP and would like to drag him outa there myself!

AliceinWinterWonderland · 15/01/2014 11:51

I do think you need to tell RL friends - 2 reasons. First, so you get support. Second, so he gets consequences. This is why he is refusing to leave and give you any headspace, because he is terrified that you will take that next step and tell people and he'll lose his "good guy" image and people will know he's treated you horribly.

Once the information is out there and people know, it's one less reason for him to pressure you. He'll be far too busy doing damage control with everyone else.

And please don't stress over "damaging" the children. As long as you make sure they feel love and security from you, they will be okay. My H and I have separated and my DCs (7 and 4) are doing well - better now actually as there isn't the conflict and stress in the household that there was when H was living here. There's an adjustment period, but as long as you reassure them they will be okay.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 15/01/2014 12:02

You must feel besieged, first by H then by the DCs, who are confused and think because you are distressed and unhappy it's somehow you who upset the applecart.

I was going to suggest as livingzuid has, if he won't do the decent thing and give you space, maybe you could book in somewhere for 48 hours, sleep eat and reflect.

If you are hesitant to offload to rl friends, I think saying the words aloud really helps, so phoning the Samaritans could help, an impartial set of ears to listen can be of comfort.

prettyhackedoff · 15/01/2014 12:07

Livingz,

don't worry, I knew what you meant, but I am keen that I don't misrepresent him as that's not fair, there are always 2 sides to a story!
I have already come to the conclusion that if he won't/can't bring himself to go to the Travelodge, then I will go away for a night at the weekend, and leave him with the kids.

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prettyhackedoff · 15/01/2014 12:09

Alice,

i suspect that part of the reason I'm not telling my real life friends is to protect him, I realise how dysfunctional that is, but when you love someone you want to protect them, although I know he doesn't deserve it .I also stupidly feel humiliated and ashamed about all this.

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prettyhackedoff · 15/01/2014 12:10

Handywoman,
thanks!!
He's making me bloody angry too.

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prettyhackedoff · 15/01/2014 12:16

Donkeys,
I hadn't thought of the Samaritans (only associate them with suicidal people, and although at times it feels like I'm having a breakdown I am a long way from that.)
But its a really good suggestion and I may phone them .

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livingzuid · 15/01/2014 12:17

If you go, make sure you go somewhere nice so you can reflect on everything in peace, quiet and a bit of beauty in your surroundings :)

It's awful taking that first step to admit to friends what has happened. I was in floods on Skype halfway round the world telling my two best friends what a farce 8 years had been. I felt like a complete failure and totally, totally dumb for having put people through a wedding only 9 months before! But you know what, they were amazing, wonderful and so understanding. They also suspected much was wrong and hadn't wanted to interfere. I am sure your friends will be the same. It was such a relief for someone in RL to know that it was part of the first process in leaving if that makes sense.

If you pick your friends wisely they will keep it quiet and no one need know apart from who you choose to tell (there are some people that cannot stop their mouths from flapping but I guess I don't need to tell you that!).

AliceinWinterWonderland · 15/01/2014 12:21

prettyhackedoff trust me, I've been there. And I made the mistake of not telling people for ages. It only puts more pressure on you. I'm just now rectifying that mistake. There's a little embarrassment, but you know what? I just keep telling myself (and my friends tell me) that I haven't done anything wrong - I have nothing to be embarrassed about! It IS hard to tell people, but it gets easier after the first time you tell. He's counting on you being too embarrassed to say anything. It's just another manipulation to keep his secrets.

livingzuid · 15/01/2014 12:25

He's counting on you being too embarrassed to say anything. It's just another manipulation to keep his secrets.

Oh yes. This is so true. We have a natural cultural reluctance to discuss relationship troubles at the best of times and your H has not helped.

Don't let this isolate you from your friends. They would want to know Thanks

prettyhackedoff · 15/01/2014 12:26

Just wanted to thank Chilli again,
although Im feeling very confused, her posts have been very crucial in helping me think about what I want and need.

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prettyhackedoff · 15/01/2014 12:29

Donkey,
i do feel besieged.
Thats exactly what I said to DH on monday night after the kids were in a state.
I told him that I felt I had been taken hostage by him and the kids and I wasn't being allowed to escape the traumatic situation he had put me in.

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oldgrandmama · 15/01/2014 12:41

Dearest Pretty, he's sticking to the well-worn script ... 'remorse', 'think about the kids', 'I really do love you give our marriage a chance' blah blah blah ... Don't fall for it. Yes, of course your children are very upset, but not half as upset they'll be if you 'forgive (but not forget)' and give him another chance. Oh yes, there'll be a honeymoon period and then it'll be back to the same old story, denigrating you, being rude, insulting, unhelpful, selfish and generally vile.

What he's done is totally unforgiveable and you deserve so much better. For what it's worth, I might add that over the last few years, I've known three middle aged men (not romantically) who had EAs with much younger women and actually left their wives and kids ... only for each of the three OW to dump them within a few weeks! You'd have to have a heart of stone not to laugh ... serves the buggers right.

Anyway, you must be feeling ghastly but stay strong - he has to go. The children will be better off in the long run, without the awful atmosphere he causes.

AliceinWinterWonderland · 15/01/2014 13:41

prettyhackedoff I recognise the mindset of being trapped. I really do.

When he's out of the house, you can BREATHE. I literally walked around the house, breathing in the peace and quiet - despite the noise of the DCs chattering away. No shouting. No complaining. No manipulation. No expectations. No pressure. Just me and the DCs.

And I could actually hear myself think.... instead of mentally wading through his baggage to get inside my head...

ChilliQueen · 15/01/2014 13:47

Oh Bless! Thank you PrettyHackedOff.
I think why you haven't told anyone (your friends) is that once you do that makes it all so much more real - it really is happening. At the moment only you (and a bunch of anonymous people here) know anything about it. It could almost be not happening. We don't know you so won't be mentioning to you in the street/on the phone etc. You could switch us off and no one knows!
I think some people here want you to leave your DH. What I think is that everyone comes here with their own advice. However, their own advice is gained from their own personal (and friends) experiences. Myself included. All our experiences would have been different, and the advice we offer comes from how we dealt with our own situations - and indeed what our individual circumstances were. Everyone is different. Everyone has different tolerances. Everyone reacts differently.

I hate to keep repeating myself. BUT...
You have been together 23 years. Most of that seems to have been very good. It is only the last couple of year(s) that he has gone off a bit (for want of a better phrase). I would try and save those 23 years and add another 23plus years (my personal opinion from the info that you have supplied to us).
You don't know he's had a full blown sexual affair. Could have been infatuation (that's bad too, obviously). I am sure lots of men (our DH's included) would go a bit silly/infatuated with a bit of attention from a young/blonde lady). In fact probably all men...

Yes, he hasn't helped at home. You said he has a stressful, hard job. I understand why he hasn't helped. You are not a SAHM, you too have a good stressful job, though in typical fashion, the cleaning etc is left to you - even though you don't have the time either. A cleaner would resolve most of the cleaning/nagging/cleaning/nagging/house is a tip arguments - you both deserve a cleaner if you both work that hard. And it frees up the w/ends for family time.
Your DH seems clearly upset by the DCs reactions. HE IS NOT THAT MUCH OF A SHIT. Plenty of men wouldn't give a . He does still have emotions. Their reaction shocked him.
He has offered to go to counselling. That is brilliant. That is a very good start. Make sure he does! You go too. Work something out individually and hopefully you'll make it to joint counselling.
My son would be devastated if we were to divorce. I understand how and why your children reacted as they did - it would have terrified them. Most children (even if they've heard a few 'this house is a mess' arguments) would be horrified/terrified at the idea of their parents splitting up.
That is not to say that splitting up should not be done if it is the right thing to do. I am most definitely not anti-divorce! And children always come out the other end fine... it's just not idea (unless obviously it's for their safety).
I am not trying to undermine your situation. And only you knows exactly what has happened, what you saw (google), how he really has been, how you used to feel and now feel about DH.
Perhaps, possibly, with your heavy workloads, household chores and 2 DC, life is more stressful that it could be. We all need to step back, take a look at our lives and re-invent ourselves from time to time. Perhaps you both need a fresh start... but a fresh start together?

MissScatterbrain · 15/01/2014 13:50

Please do one thing today - tell some one in RL.

It really will help you believe me.

You need to protect yourself and put yourself first - not this man.

Thisisaghostlyeuphemism · 15/01/2014 14:23

Im sorry chiliqueen, I have to pick up on a lot you say.

I am sure lots of men (our DH's included) would go a bit silly/infatuated with a bit of attention from a young/blonde lady). In fact probably all men...

Really? I don't think DH would text a young blonde lady 150 times then delete all messages not least because he knows if he did, it would be the end of us.

I would try and save those 23 years and add another 23plus years

What with a guy who repeatedly tells her to 'fuck off' and makes her feel ugly, fat and unloved? What would the point be?

As for HE IS NOT THAT MUCH OF A SHIT. - That's nice. There are worse men out there, so hang on to your crap one?

I don't believe in one person working in a marriage when the other person doesn't care. He still doesn't seem to get it. You can't make someone care, but you've got more chance of it if you put your foot down and say, no I'm not accepting this treatment any longer.

And no, I don't think people here want you to leave your DH. I think many people think he doesn't deserve the op, and that if he was forced to leave, temporarily, he might realise this before its too late.