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I'm so upset and low, Please give me some advice, DH said he's done nothing wrong and it's my fault.

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prettyhackedoff · 11/01/2014 22:10

Name changed for this. I don't really feel that 'DH' is especially 'D' at the moment.
Apologies that it is long, don't want to drip feed.
We have been together 23 years, married 16 and have 2 kids under 12.
Over the last few months DH has become increasingly critical of me, irritable, short tempered, quick to have an argument about the smallest things. He would also have a go at me about the state of the house, how untidy it is, how unclean it is and how 'he can't live like that any more' (which I took to mean the state of the house). Fair enough, the house has got very cluttered. I work long hours too, I've been getting up at 6 and leaving the house before everyone is awake, then driving almost an hour before getting to work and then putting in a 7 or 12 hour shift in a very stressful job. I find it really hard to have the energy after work, then taking kids to activities, cooking tea, organising everything, etc, doing my CPD in the evenings on line when the kids are finally in bed, to then clean and tidy very much.
DH does no no housework or cleaning.
As the months went by his behaviour got worse, I looked back and realised that the timing coincided with him taking on a new additional management role at work. Since October he had been staying later in the evenings at work (telling me it was because of work). He also seemed more irritable and distracted. I also noticed he was glued to his mobile phone, taking it to the loo, whenever I picked it up, he would snatch it off me, if anyone rang or texted him he'd be jumpy. Naturally I became very suspicious and, asked him on multiple occasions what he was hiding, if something was wrong etc. He would then get very angry, tell me how horrible I was to be suspicious, how terrible it was that I didn't trust him.
He had a week's annual leave with me and the kids at October half term, and he became very irritable, moaning about how 'horrible I was to him, what a mess the house was', etc, and causing arguments.
This happened again during a week's leave he took in December.
The Christmas holidays have been unbearable. My work contract finished just before Christmas and I am now unemployed, and was lucky enough to spend 2 weeks with the kids. DH was dreadful, moaning, irritable, starting arguments and swearing at me. One day the kids and I had a lazy day at home . I had severe sciatica, (he knew this, as we had discussed how much pain I was in). He came home from work late and had a go at me, starting a row about me 'being too lazy to even load the dishwasher'. I had been in so much pain I had spent most of the day in bed or lying on the sofa.
Today I looked at his mobile phone bill for the last month (which is sent to our joint email account, haven't seen any other recent ones) and noticed that he had sent 150 text messages to one number, and multiple phone calls a day to same number. Even phone calls and texts when he was on annual leave. He send text messages to half a dozen other numbers, including mine, and these were in single fingers.
I got hold of his phone, typed up the number, and the name of a female work colleague came up. I went through his phone and there isn't a single message on there to her or from her to be seen.
I confronted him and he said he deleted all the messages because he 'knew I'd be upset if I saw how often he had contacted her' but he had nothing to hide, he hasn't had an affair, she's just a work colleague who he's developed a 'close supportive work relationship' with, and she's only a 'friend' and he's entitled to have a 'friend'. Apparently I 'act like I hate him' (?? ) and again he said it was 'making him stressed that the housework wasn't been done' , that's my fault apparently as 'he doesn't want to spend his weekends doing it.'
We have had a massive row about this. He is adamant he has done nothing wrong, and he 'only deleted the messages because he knew how upset I would be if I saw them' and 'he has not done anything wrong with her'. He only contacted her this frequently' to discuss work'He 'hasn't had sex with her so it can't be an affair' (I asked directly), and that no other man's wife would be bothered or upset by any of this.
He has also become bothered about his weight and appearance excessively in recent months and has lost 1.5 stones.
Interestingly, recently whenever I had voiced my suspicions to him and asked why he was so stressed etc, what was it with him being glued to the phone, etc he told me I was nasty, paranoid, and 'it was all in my head'.
My self esteem has disappeared over the last few months and I have felt unattractive, and unloved. I feel so dreadful tonight.
He is minimising it and I feel he is not being fully honest with me. Again, he has just said he has done nothing wrong and he's sure amongst his work colleagues 'that other people are texting each other that often to talk about work' and that i'm overreacting.
I would be so grateful for an outsider's opinion on this. Am I overreacting ?
Sorry this is so long, thank you for reading this and bearing with me.

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prettyhackedoff · 13/01/2014 15:01

Thanks Chilli Queen, thats supportive,
One of the problems i have always had with him is that it is difficult to sit him down and have an open and honest mature discussion about anything, and especially our relationship.

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ChilliQueen · 13/01/2014 15:10

OK... (no one shoot me for saying this)...
Here's a thought... can you (only if you wanted to) stay at home, keep the house perfect, go to the gym, dye your hair, buy some new clothes (jolly expensive ones if his new ones are anything to go by).
Would that make you happy? I think you said earlier you had a professional job - so probably not?
Would this make him happy? It sounds like he may be earning a good salary - so maybe it's possible.
If you did all of the above would it make you/him feel differently about the relationship. Relationships are about balance. Also... I think you should work if you want to - no one should be denied that sanity. But I think if he has that much spare cash he should pay for a cleaner! Less for him to moan about.

livingzuid · 13/01/2014 15:11

Wow well if there was ever a case of classic mid-life crisis behaviour and to impress a younger person what you´ve just said is it. It all sounds a bit pathetic tbh (my dad did this and we thought he looked ridiculous - they don´t seem to realise how silly they look) but you and your kids are the ones caught up in the middle of this.

He´s obviously got problems which he should get counselling for. If he had come to you to discuss his feelings, as a married partner of over 20 years should, then you could work it out together and support each other. Instead he´s gone down the route of self gratification and pinning the blame for his woes onto you.

He should get help but it in no way excuses his behaviour towards you. It is unforgivable to do what he´s done and to waste family money in that way is not on. There are kids and a family to support and that comes before making yourself feel better with some dumb bint and a sports car (I know not all OW are bad but this one seems cruel).

If you suggested he needs counselling following on from his offer, I suppose he´d refuse?

prettyhackedoff · 13/01/2014 15:13

Tribpot,
just seen your earlier post of 14.13, yes I know !

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livingzuid · 13/01/2014 15:14

And I´d book yourself a spa and shopping weekend in Paris with your best friend and leave him with the kids for the weekend!

nauticant · 13/01/2014 15:27

So the young attractive giggling blonde is effectively his boss?

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 13/01/2014 15:30

If you Googled your H, OP, what would come up? Mid-life crisis man falling over his own ego to ingratiate himself with his female boss? Not loving family man, father of two with DW who loved and trusted him and doesn't recognise the nasty caricature he's become.

prettyhackedoff · 13/01/2014 15:35

Chilli,
we don't have a cleaner, I keep telling him when he goes off on one about the house that he should organise one and pay for a cleaner if it bothers him so much!
Because of our debt levels i felt we should rationalise spending and I said to DH although I didn't have time to do all the housework if he would do his 50 per cent, or even just 25%, between us we could keep the house clean and tidy and wouldn't need a cleaner, and this money could be used to reduce debt. As 'surely DH that would stop all your stressing about you can't live in this mess'. He refused 'i'm not spending my weekends cleaning'.
He refuses to do any cleaning. His says he 'does do cleaning' and 'keeps the show on the road'. This translates as loading the dishwasher at night if he remembers, and ironing his own shirts.
I do all the cooking and every other household chore, bills, school stuff etc as well as being in professional work (until 3 weeks ago).
Personally I think he would very happy if i was a SAHM, went to gym, started running (apparently his boss goes to gym and runs), had my roots done more regularly , kept house immaculate because I wasn't at work.
This is what his mum has always done for his Dad, she 's in her 70s, slim beautiful woman ( intelligent though, could have gone to medical school from her grammar school but left school to marry his Dad and be a SAHM)
I'd be miserable at home. I love my job (so upset i'm out of work). I have the same level of qualifications and education as DH, have worked to high levels in my job for over 20 years.
So he would be happier, but I wouldn't
I agree, relationships are all about balance and I thought that's what I was trying to achieve when I changed roles after the kids were born to do temporary contracts involving a big commute and very early starts > This was so he could continue his career at full pelt and so I could be home for the kids 4 nights out of 5 and facilitate all of their lives so he doesn't have to, to cook, and do some cleaning. Thats why I don't have time to go to the gym, go running, stay skinny, and dye my mousy greying hair blond anymore.
But I feel in return for this he should treat me with love and respect and as his intellectual equal. But he doesn't. (Obviously has these thoughts about the boss though, he told me this weekend she's SO good at her job and he admires her for it)
And if I was a SAHM not only would I be miserable, I think he's be happy but I also think his contempt of me would increase. It may be a coincidence, but since I finished work just before Christmas his contempt and nastiness for me ramped up another gear.
Confused

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prettyhackedoff · 13/01/2014 15:42

Recently, on reflection, On the one day a week i was arriving home at 9 (rather than him arriving home at 8 or 9, ), he had come home earlier to collect kids from childcare, and had fed them and got a take away and bottle of red wine for himself.
Despite having left the house 15 hours earlier i would be lucky if he made me a cup of tea. Never mind cook me dinner (or even wait for me to get home and order the take away for me too)
But he would then have the cheek to moan about the fact that no cleaning had been done since Monday . No DH, i've been at work!

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prettyhackedoff · 13/01/2014 15:44

Sorry for moaning everyone, have to take break now to do school run and take to various stuff, cook tea etc, Dreading what DH is going to say and do when he arrives home this evening. Sad

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prettyhackedoff · 13/01/2014 15:46

Ps,
yes sorry Donkeys, I don't recognise the nasty caricature DH has become Sad

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ChilliQueen · 13/01/2014 15:47

OMG. I could cry about that take-away situation. That's terrible. He is really selfish. That would have made me cry - just the complete lack of care, love and thought.
Pack his bag. Please.

livingzuid · 13/01/2014 15:58

What chilli said. Pack his bags. Change locks. You'll not get your self respect and confidence back until you have some distance from him. So sad for you.

Moan away it all helps you cope with dire situations.

QuintessentialShadows · 13/01/2014 16:11

You may actually really rattle his cage if you were to reinvent yourself. Not for him, but for YOU. Treat yourself. Swimming pool, hair dresser, etc. Would be good for your self esteem. Especially if you are going to look for another job. New wardrobe, new hair, new you, new job.

LilyBlossom14 · 13/01/2014 16:26

he shows no kindness or respect towards you - I could cry for you too. So incredibly sad for you. What a selfish, nasty man he is. Utterly heartless.

MissScatterbrain · 13/01/2014 16:28

I am getting the rage reading all your latest posts.

As well as being a nasty lazy selfish fucker, he is abusing you financially.

Are finances shared equally between you both - sounds like he was throwing family money away on luxuries and fast cars.

You don't wnat to spend your spare time cleaning up after him so STOP doing his laundry, cleaning, cooking, shopping etc.

AcrossthePond55 · 13/01/2014 16:34

Pretty, you don't need to change a thing about yourself, unless you want to, for YOU. You are pretty much who most of us are. A bit older, grayer, chubbier, and very busy trying to juggle home, career, and self!

FederationPresidentBarryFife · 13/01/2014 16:35

Stay strong OP. I know there are lots of examples that he is a shit but that takeaway thing has really upset me on your behalf what an utterly utterly selfish human. It seems small but speaks volumes about how he thinks of himself and only himself.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 13/01/2014 16:42

Next time he voices loud disapproval of living conditions do what he does, say "It's all in your head".

If he keeps that up, explain where the door is.

tribpot · 13/01/2014 16:42

The takeaway thing is breathtakingly selfish. He already thinks of himself as a single man who does some babysitting occasionally. He's not interested in addressing your (his?) debt, and is merrily adding to it without consultation.

Beastofburden · 13/01/2014 16:43

Classic midlife crisis. Not sure I believe that a young skinny blonde who giggles in corners is his boss. By if she is, he can't be all that successful at work either, can he?

I think he is running into self destruct mode with his head firmly embedded into the sand. Expensive cars, holidays, playing with fire with young colleagues (at best) all the while ignoring serious levels of debt... This is not going to end well. It's all far too much "I'm not dead yet". What next? Gambling? Unsafe sex?

I am not sure I would refuse the counselling, if you are thinking of staying with him. I doubt he is going to take a cold look in the mirror without it.

Or you could bail out PDQ and let him bankrupt himself on his own money, giving you a chance to protect your DC from the fallout.

Newyearchanger · 13/01/2014 16:44

Much of this is very familiar to me ... Outraged and saddened on your behalf about the unfairness of this situation! And now you have no job and he's lording it over you on that as well! When you compromised for the greater good!
So sorry he has let you down so badly

AnyFucker · 13/01/2014 16:46

I truly don't understand what you see in this selfish bastard.

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 13/01/2014 16:51

And if you're reading this OP's H, for all you know your boss is laughing AT you not with you.

Your children already know something's wrong, they're breaking their hearts, don't be the wack-job dad who makes home-life a misery then walks out on them and mum because they will remember, they will be desperate to fix this, they won't understand.

If you really can't bear to live at home any more then stop the contempt and nastiness, make proper exit plans and try to behave like a decent human being.

Beastofburden · 13/01/2014 16:58

If she really were the boss, would she be sniggering in corners at the Christmas do about her dodgy affair with an office junior? No, she would be much more discreet, as she has to keep a facade going if she is in a senior role.

Boss, my arse.