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I'm so upset and low, Please give me some advice, DH said he's done nothing wrong and it's my fault.

309 replies

prettyhackedoff · 11/01/2014 22:10

Name changed for this. I don't really feel that 'DH' is especially 'D' at the moment.
Apologies that it is long, don't want to drip feed.
We have been together 23 years, married 16 and have 2 kids under 12.
Over the last few months DH has become increasingly critical of me, irritable, short tempered, quick to have an argument about the smallest things. He would also have a go at me about the state of the house, how untidy it is, how unclean it is and how 'he can't live like that any more' (which I took to mean the state of the house). Fair enough, the house has got very cluttered. I work long hours too, I've been getting up at 6 and leaving the house before everyone is awake, then driving almost an hour before getting to work and then putting in a 7 or 12 hour shift in a very stressful job. I find it really hard to have the energy after work, then taking kids to activities, cooking tea, organising everything, etc, doing my CPD in the evenings on line when the kids are finally in bed, to then clean and tidy very much.
DH does no no housework or cleaning.
As the months went by his behaviour got worse, I looked back and realised that the timing coincided with him taking on a new additional management role at work. Since October he had been staying later in the evenings at work (telling me it was because of work). He also seemed more irritable and distracted. I also noticed he was glued to his mobile phone, taking it to the loo, whenever I picked it up, he would snatch it off me, if anyone rang or texted him he'd be jumpy. Naturally I became very suspicious and, asked him on multiple occasions what he was hiding, if something was wrong etc. He would then get very angry, tell me how horrible I was to be suspicious, how terrible it was that I didn't trust him.
He had a week's annual leave with me and the kids at October half term, and he became very irritable, moaning about how 'horrible I was to him, what a mess the house was', etc, and causing arguments.
This happened again during a week's leave he took in December.
The Christmas holidays have been unbearable. My work contract finished just before Christmas and I am now unemployed, and was lucky enough to spend 2 weeks with the kids. DH was dreadful, moaning, irritable, starting arguments and swearing at me. One day the kids and I had a lazy day at home . I had severe sciatica, (he knew this, as we had discussed how much pain I was in). He came home from work late and had a go at me, starting a row about me 'being too lazy to even load the dishwasher'. I had been in so much pain I had spent most of the day in bed or lying on the sofa.
Today I looked at his mobile phone bill for the last month (which is sent to our joint email account, haven't seen any other recent ones) and noticed that he had sent 150 text messages to one number, and multiple phone calls a day to same number. Even phone calls and texts when he was on annual leave. He send text messages to half a dozen other numbers, including mine, and these were in single fingers.
I got hold of his phone, typed up the number, and the name of a female work colleague came up. I went through his phone and there isn't a single message on there to her or from her to be seen.
I confronted him and he said he deleted all the messages because he 'knew I'd be upset if I saw how often he had contacted her' but he had nothing to hide, he hasn't had an affair, she's just a work colleague who he's developed a 'close supportive work relationship' with, and she's only a 'friend' and he's entitled to have a 'friend'. Apparently I 'act like I hate him' (?? ) and again he said it was 'making him stressed that the housework wasn't been done' , that's my fault apparently as 'he doesn't want to spend his weekends doing it.'
We have had a massive row about this. He is adamant he has done nothing wrong, and he 'only deleted the messages because he knew how upset I would be if I saw them' and 'he has not done anything wrong with her'. He only contacted her this frequently' to discuss work'He 'hasn't had sex with her so it can't be an affair' (I asked directly), and that no other man's wife would be bothered or upset by any of this.
He has also become bothered about his weight and appearance excessively in recent months and has lost 1.5 stones.
Interestingly, recently whenever I had voiced my suspicions to him and asked why he was so stressed etc, what was it with him being glued to the phone, etc he told me I was nasty, paranoid, and 'it was all in my head'.
My self esteem has disappeared over the last few months and I have felt unattractive, and unloved. I feel so dreadful tonight.
He is minimising it and I feel he is not being fully honest with me. Again, he has just said he has done nothing wrong and he's sure amongst his work colleagues 'that other people are texting each other that often to talk about work' and that i'm overreacting.
I would be so grateful for an outsider's opinion on this. Am I overreacting ?
Sorry this is so long, thank you for reading this and bearing with me.

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NumptyNameChange · 12/01/2014 12:40

counselling??

tell him you don't need to pay someone £40ph to tell you that living with an abusive, lazy, sexist, bullying pig is bad for you and the children and you'd rather save the money for a divorce but that if he wants to go to counselling to find out why he is an abusive, lazy, sexist, bullying pig to go right ahead.

arsehat!

NumptyNameChange · 12/01/2014 12:41

also point out that counselling is not effective for liars for obvious reasons and not recommended in cases of abuse.

prettyhackedoff · 12/01/2014 12:44

Numpty,

I told him yesterday that 1 wasn't going to waste £40 per week to have someone telling me what is going on in our relationship.
I also told him its inappropriate if someone is lying or abusive, he told me he isn't lying, and denies being abusive.

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Newyearchanger · 12/01/2014 12:45

The counselling is just an attempt to do what he thinks MUMSNET might advise and to look as if he is trying to solve something, while deflecting some of the responsibility onto you.
Don't go because counselling isn't for engaging with people being knowingly horrible.

Newyearchanger · 12/01/2014 12:49

Ask if you can invite this close friend/ supportive - close - working - relationship colleague over for dinner. Has she got a SO?
Facebook friend request her/ look her up on Facebook.
Do you have access to your dh Facebook account?
If you don't actually fb, join and look at her page.

Grin
BalloonSlayer · 12/01/2014 12:59

"he told me he isn't lying, and denies being abusive."

Well perhaps you could say "Well there's your problem, mate. You'd be able to prove you weren't lying if you'd kept the texts, but you didn't. And it's me that gets to decide whether I find your behaviour abusive or not - not you. Just like it's me who gets to decide whether I start divorce proceedings or not."

AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/01/2014 13:02

I have a good idea of what you get out of this relationship with this person prettyhackedoff - absolutely nothing and its been that way for years now.

It is never too late to teach your children positive lessons about relationships but staying with this person is not an option and will just teach them more damaging stuff. He has abused you and your kindnesses of him for far too long.

Hopefully his affair will finally give you enough impetus to give him the boot from your life he so deserves.

Such men do take a long time to recover from; I would suggest that in due course you enrol yourself onto Womens Aid Freedom Programme as this is for women who have been in abusive relationships.

worsestershiresauce · 12/01/2014 13:20

Pretty Flowers you've been so very together and strong. Your 'D'H is a fool, I imagine he sees that now. It feels good to take control doesn't it? My DH's affair was the making of me. I learnt how to stand up for myself, and it is a lesson I will never forget. Good luck, hold your head up and tell some RL friends and family. Support is so important. I don't have an inner circle of friends like many women, but everyone from my neighbour to my PT instructor did everything they could to make me forget and have fun. Keeping it a secret protects him, and denies you support.

wallypops · 12/01/2014 13:38

Just a thought. Ask him for his iphone so that you can retrieve the deleted messages - google that it seems to be completely possible. I would have thought that will "out" the truth pretty fast.

I very much like the idea of this : "tell him you don't need to pay someone £40ph to tell you that living with an abusive, lazy, sexist, bullying pig is bad for you and the children and you'd rather save the money for a divorce but that if he wants to go to counselling to find out why he is an abusive, lazy, sexist, bullying pig to go right ahead".

I went through this with me x - before I knew about Mumsnet and put up with it for 4 years. More fool me.

wallypops · 12/01/2014 13:45

Sorry I meant phone not iphone.

NumptyNameChange · 12/01/2014 14:19

even though saying all these things to him isn't getting him to change, admit fault etc it IS imo doing you the world of good as you're getting to see exactly how he is and proof of how utterly without concern for decency, your feelings, fairness and reality he is.

remember all these answers. they are proof that there is no way to work through this with him or improve things. hopefully it will strengthen your resolve that there is only one thing you can do at this stage.

AcrossthePond55 · 12/01/2014 16:15

Counseling is great when BOTH parties are sincerely motivated to heal their marriage. But that's not the case here. You've put up with more than anyone should have to. He just wants to buy time and possibly justify his behaviour. But if by chance you do feel like giving it a whirl, just be careful. Had a friend in a similar situation. When she told now-X she'd had enough he suggested counseling to 'save the marriage'. The counselor he 'found through a work colleague' for them suggested to her that she needed to be more 'submissive' and 'agreeable'. That a woman needs to 'understand a man' in order to make a successful marriage. She walked out. The next counselor they saw (found 'jointly'), after one joint session, called her privately the next day and told her to get the f* out of the marriage. Which she did.

Boot him out. If you still love him, let him EARN his way back. And earn it BIG TIME.

NewtRipley · 12/01/2014 16:44

Good luck OP. You are doing really well.

Just wanted to add my support and reinforce what others are saying about the situation.

prettyhackedoff · 12/01/2014 17:29

hello everyone
Thanks for your continuing support.
Well, he still hasn't gone to the Travelodge.
He has sat around moping, looking sorry for himself.
Telling me how miserable he feels then turning round half an hour ago and saying that he gets to decide whether he goes to the Travelodge, it's not about me deciding to end the relationship, he has a say in whether he stays or leaves.
Just basically forced him to take DCs to sports club so I have an hour with him out of the house. When I checked on this thread an hour ago he came and said 'what are you doing, are you looking for more replies on mumsnet ?'

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kickassangel · 12/01/2014 17:37

Wow, he really thinks he gets to decide? Either one of you can end this any time without the other's agreement.

Whether he had sex with her or texted her or just turned into a grumpy git isn't relevant. You seriously want to reconsider the relationship, it is likely that you would stay in the family home as you do the majority of family work (take kids to after school things, housework etc) therefore a trial separation involves him going elsewhere.

If he wants to salvage the relationship, he needs to start listening to you and respecting your wishes. If he can't see that he has hurt you and you need time to yourself to recover, then he is doing nothing to help the situation.

LIZS · 12/01/2014 17:42

Can you pack a bag and have it ready at the door for when he returns.

Newyearchanger · 12/01/2014 17:45

He will have read it then, which is good.

OPs h..... It's clear to us you are having at least an EA about time you came clean and act like a grown up.

BalloonSlayer · 12/01/2014 17:45

"he has a say in whether he stays or leaves."

Remind him that: "Erm if I want to continue this relationship, then of course you have a say whether you stay or leave. But if I want to end the relationship, you have no say at all, and I am not sure why you think you can make me stay married to you if I decide I am out."

Handywoman · 12/01/2014 17:46

Great idea. Pack a bag for him ready for when he gets back.

prettyhackedoff · 12/01/2014 17:48

Thank you kickassangel,
I said to him that he needs to start respecting what I want in this relationship, and not continuing to make it about what he wants.
Taking this attitude towards him is quite clearly annoying and upsetting him, this isn't my intention, I feel any reasonable adult should be able to have some empathy for someone they profess to love and care about (he's told me several times today he loves me)
Someone earlier said actions speak louder than words.
I feel the same.
I don't understand why he can't understand that with the enormity of what happened yesterday he can't see that I need support and help.
I haven't eaten in the 36 hours since it happened and I'm feeling huge physical symptoms of anxiety. Interestingly I've not seen him eat anything either.
The irony, after my thanking someone earlier for posting a bunch of flowers and me saying I don't remember when I last had a bunch of flowers he went out to the supermarket earlier and brought home a bunch of flowers, my favourite ones I had in my wedding bouquet. Sad

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Homebird11 · 12/01/2014 17:53

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tallwivglasses · 12/01/2014 17:54

Hmm. Too little too late. I'd stick them on the compost heap. Is he reading this thread, do you think? Mr pretty - start showing some respect for your wife and bugger off!

Handywoman · 12/01/2014 17:55

Sad OP

There was one time when my STBXH told me quite unprovoked to 'shut the fuck up' at which point I gave him an ultimatum (which he clearly failed to live up to) to shape up or ship out. I was beyond livid.

The next day he bought me flowers. I thought that was pathetic (not saying you should think the same btw ) and showed how little understanding of the situation he had, and of the big fat red line he had crossed.

Sad for you OP but you are doing marvellously.

Joysmum · 12/01/2014 17:57

Anybody who says they kept something secret because they knew how you'd react isn't protecting you, they are being secretive because they know what they are doing is bang out of order but couldn't give a shit what you needs as what they want to do is more important.

kickassangel · 12/01/2014 18:00

And if he follows the script the next step will be that he will get angry as tears and entreaties are not working.

If he gets at all aggressive, you would be perfectly appropriate to call the police. He doesn't get to ignore your feelings then try to make you change your mind to fit his wants. Whether he does it through flowers or anger, he is trying to bully you into agreeing with his reading if the situation, rather than listening to you and engaging in a real discussion.

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