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I'm so upset and low, Please give me some advice, DH said he's done nothing wrong and it's my fault.

309 replies

prettyhackedoff · 11/01/2014 22:10

Name changed for this. I don't really feel that 'DH' is especially 'D' at the moment.
Apologies that it is long, don't want to drip feed.
We have been together 23 years, married 16 and have 2 kids under 12.
Over the last few months DH has become increasingly critical of me, irritable, short tempered, quick to have an argument about the smallest things. He would also have a go at me about the state of the house, how untidy it is, how unclean it is and how 'he can't live like that any more' (which I took to mean the state of the house). Fair enough, the house has got very cluttered. I work long hours too, I've been getting up at 6 and leaving the house before everyone is awake, then driving almost an hour before getting to work and then putting in a 7 or 12 hour shift in a very stressful job. I find it really hard to have the energy after work, then taking kids to activities, cooking tea, organising everything, etc, doing my CPD in the evenings on line when the kids are finally in bed, to then clean and tidy very much.
DH does no no housework or cleaning.
As the months went by his behaviour got worse, I looked back and realised that the timing coincided with him taking on a new additional management role at work. Since October he had been staying later in the evenings at work (telling me it was because of work). He also seemed more irritable and distracted. I also noticed he was glued to his mobile phone, taking it to the loo, whenever I picked it up, he would snatch it off me, if anyone rang or texted him he'd be jumpy. Naturally I became very suspicious and, asked him on multiple occasions what he was hiding, if something was wrong etc. He would then get very angry, tell me how horrible I was to be suspicious, how terrible it was that I didn't trust him.
He had a week's annual leave with me and the kids at October half term, and he became very irritable, moaning about how 'horrible I was to him, what a mess the house was', etc, and causing arguments.
This happened again during a week's leave he took in December.
The Christmas holidays have been unbearable. My work contract finished just before Christmas and I am now unemployed, and was lucky enough to spend 2 weeks with the kids. DH was dreadful, moaning, irritable, starting arguments and swearing at me. One day the kids and I had a lazy day at home . I had severe sciatica, (he knew this, as we had discussed how much pain I was in). He came home from work late and had a go at me, starting a row about me 'being too lazy to even load the dishwasher'. I had been in so much pain I had spent most of the day in bed or lying on the sofa.
Today I looked at his mobile phone bill for the last month (which is sent to our joint email account, haven't seen any other recent ones) and noticed that he had sent 150 text messages to one number, and multiple phone calls a day to same number. Even phone calls and texts when he was on annual leave. He send text messages to half a dozen other numbers, including mine, and these were in single fingers.
I got hold of his phone, typed up the number, and the name of a female work colleague came up. I went through his phone and there isn't a single message on there to her or from her to be seen.
I confronted him and he said he deleted all the messages because he 'knew I'd be upset if I saw how often he had contacted her' but he had nothing to hide, he hasn't had an affair, she's just a work colleague who he's developed a 'close supportive work relationship' with, and she's only a 'friend' and he's entitled to have a 'friend'. Apparently I 'act like I hate him' (?? ) and again he said it was 'making him stressed that the housework wasn't been done' , that's my fault apparently as 'he doesn't want to spend his weekends doing it.'
We have had a massive row about this. He is adamant he has done nothing wrong, and he 'only deleted the messages because he knew how upset I would be if I saw them' and 'he has not done anything wrong with her'. He only contacted her this frequently' to discuss work'He 'hasn't had sex with her so it can't be an affair' (I asked directly), and that no other man's wife would be bothered or upset by any of this.
He has also become bothered about his weight and appearance excessively in recent months and has lost 1.5 stones.
Interestingly, recently whenever I had voiced my suspicions to him and asked why he was so stressed etc, what was it with him being glued to the phone, etc he told me I was nasty, paranoid, and 'it was all in my head'.
My self esteem has disappeared over the last few months and I have felt unattractive, and unloved. I feel so dreadful tonight.
He is minimising it and I feel he is not being fully honest with me. Again, he has just said he has done nothing wrong and he's sure amongst his work colleagues 'that other people are texting each other that often to talk about work' and that i'm overreacting.
I would be so grateful for an outsider's opinion on this. Am I overreacting ?
Sorry this is so long, thank you for reading this and bearing with me.

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worsestershiresauce · 12/01/2014 08:24

Pretty big hug, I've been there and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

Please as others have said remember that none of this is your fault. He's having an affair, and I can bet it has gone further than texts. In order to set this straight in his conscience he needs to invent ways to make his life at home seem so terrible that his behaviour is justified. So he's decided you are a lazy, untidy, neglectful wife. You are nothing of the kind. My DH also found fault with everything. I ended up with my self esteem on the floor convinced I was a failure at everything. I'm not.

Based on personal experience I can say with some authority that the very best thing you can do now is pull the rug from under his feet. What he is expecting is for you to panic, beg him to stay, fall over yourself to 'behave', and allow him to decide in his own time whether or not you are worthy of his time. What you actually should do is tell him you are very sad this has happened, but in a way relieved, as he has been a PITA to live with, and tell him to move out and in with his OW now. Pack him a bag (don't spend time on this, just sling some shirts and underwear in a carrier), tell the dcs an age appropriate explanation (they will know something is going on, and kids know when they are being lied to).

I haven't time to write more now, but I hope you find the strength to do this. It will save you so much heart ache. If he wants to leave he'll be happy to go and you'll save yourself the indignity and heart ache of a long prolonged exit. If he doesn't then he'll fall over himself to try and repair the damage, and it'll be up to you to decide whether that is what you want. Taking control of the situation takes a lot of the pain out of it.

ivykaty44 · 12/01/2014 08:27

It doesn't matter whether other wives would be bothered or not by excessive text messages and calls, you are and that is what counts

He is making life as awfull as possible so that you make it easy for him to justify his behaviour.

What a disgusting person to be living with :(

SoupDragon · 12/01/2014 08:33

OP, what you are describing is exactly like my XH and yes, he was having an affair. Sorry.

You have done nothing wrong.

AliceinWinterWonderland · 12/01/2014 08:34

FWIW, I can assure you that many other wives WOULD be bothered by the excessive text messages and calls. But it still doesn't matter. YOU are bothered, they ARE excessive, and he is treating you so badly. And this behaviour your children see is just teaching them that THIS is normal behaviour in a relationship - not healthy for any of you.

MotherOfInsomniacToddlers · 12/01/2014 08:35

Why delete texts if they are boring work texts, surely if he left them on his phone it would be proof that they are boring work texts!

Lizzabadger · 12/01/2014 08:44

I'm so sorry you're going through this.

He sounds like a really nasty arse (and he's having an affair but you know this).

I think you need to start disengaging and working towards ending the relationship now.

Can you start viewing his behaviour pathetic and predictable rather than upsetting or any reflection on you? You need to take control and tell him to leave as you no longer wish to be married to the pita.

ScottishPies · 12/01/2014 08:55

How are you feeling this morning?

Whatevet you do don't have feelings of remorse, regret or guilt- remember he has been having an affair with another women.

Stay strong and stay angry whateve the bullcrap jusitifications he gave you last night -i have no doubt that the txts and phone calls are the tip of the iceberg.

Don't fall for any tears / niceness from him - its nothibg but guilt and self loathing and he desrves these after the crap he's put you throu.

verytellytubby · 12/01/2014 08:56

Other than the affair, he sounds like a nasty unpleasant bully.

LIZS · 12/01/2014 09:01

he 'knew I'd be upset if I saw how often he had contacted her' But he went right ahead and did so anywhere. That is not the action of someone who loves and respects their wife, his boundaries are conveniently blurring.

no other man's wife would be bothered or upset by any of this
Don't know what planet he lives on but that is definitely not the case

He is justifying it to himself by negating your feelings and reactions. Sorry whether he has slept with her or not he has enjoyed the rush of an emotional affair and thrill of secrecy. Yuk, so sorry :(

RollerCola · 12/01/2014 09:02

I actually had to double check I hadn't written your op myself, the situation is so similar to mine, down to the exact same number of yrs together and children's ages.

I never did find out if my H was having a physical affair, but we did separate and the relief is enormous. All that treading on eggshells and feeling you can do nothing right, it's gone and it's wonderful.

The children are completely fine. I worried so much about how it would affect them but they took it all in their stride and everyone is so much happier.

Stay strong, do what your head tells you. Hope you're ok this morning.

Handywoman · 12/01/2014 09:02

I was married to a man who was an utter PITA to live with, lazy, moody, complained about the state of the house yet lay on the sofa the entire time and did almost nothing to help with the kids or the house. I have just got rid of the sofa with the permanent imprint of his arse on it. I chucked the owner of that arse out in June for his lazy, entitled behaviour because it ground me down to nothing even with no affair.

mineofuselessinformation · 12/01/2014 09:14

'If I wasn't so upset I'd be laughing.'
Damn right you would and if it were a friend of yours saying this you'd tell her to get rid of him like a shot.
I'm not being harsh, I've been right where you are, only in my case the wondering and doubting myself went on for months.
Tell him to leave..... If he cared, he would care enough to show you that you're wrong, not tell you you're going mad.
If like me, you wondered how you would cope alone, remember this, you're doing everything alone already - so you KNOW you can cope.
Sorry you're going through this.

CuntyBunty · 12/01/2014 09:15

Please, for your own sanity, just LTB. Telling you that you are mad? That makes me feel sick. H will send you mad if you continue to live like this. I can see what you are getting out of the "relationship".

You haven't done anything wrong and are not mad. Get out now, before he damages you and your self esteem any more than he already has.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/01/2014 09:19

What do you get out of this relationship now?.

I did not have to read more than half your post to decide that your H is having an emotional affair; his behaviour is classic of such. Further reading proved me correct.

This man is abusive anyway but why have you allowed yourself to stay within this for so long?. What do you get out of this relationship now?.

Perhaps his infidelity will finally give you the impetus to give this person the boot. Lose the 13 stone of deadweight i.e him and you and your children will be a lot happier in the long run. They are learning about relationships from you two and they have to date learnt many damaging examples of how a marriage is conducted. Would you want your children to be in the same sort of relationship, no of course not?. But what you have taught them to date is that on some level his ill treatment of you has been acceptable to you. Sound travels and I reckon as well that your children have heard and seen far more than perhaps you have cared to realise.

And what both FestiveSpiritedWolf and SolidGoldBrass wrote earlier.

Seek legal advice asap and make firm plans to separate from this vile individual.

Such men also like this man too, hate women. All of them.

Inertia · 12/01/2014 09:29

Sorry you are going through this.

He's having an affair, other men's wives would also realise this and chuck him out. Nobody sends 150 texts a day to someone they are not hoping to have ( or already having) sex with. If it's all down to close working relationships there would be dozens of messages to and from the other people he works with.

The blame and nastiness is so he can justify what he's doing and make it your fault.

The outrage over using mumsnet is to frighten you into not telling people what he is doing and cut off your lines of support.

Given the total contempt with which he is treating you it's hard to see any way back from this. You need to protect finances and get your ducks lined up , because one day he'll be gone and he won't give a shit about how you and the children manage.

prettyhackedoff · 12/01/2014 10:00

Hello Everyone
Thanks to everyone who's posted, sorry i'm not addressing you individually but you have all said exactly what i think and feel.
This morning I have had to get DH out of bed (spare room) to take our son to his activity, he was going to let him miss it as 'I'm tired, went to bed late and I'm feeling miserable'
Despite that he's already told me this morning that he's done nothing wrong regarding the texting and the colleague, he has a 'friendship' with her, and a 'close supportive working relationship'. He says this isn't wrong and he wasn't doing anything wrong when he deleted the texts, it was only to stop me being upset and he didn't think it was wrong to continue sending them.
I said that irrespective of the line he's crossed with the texts/colleague he has bullied and undermined me, criticised me and called me paranoid and 'mean to accuse him and not trust him' (his words) and that this behaviour is unacceptable.
He told me last night he would do 'everything in his power to show he loves me and our relationship would improve'. The only example he could give of that was to say he would 'try harder to show me affection' and 'spend more time together as a couple'.
He has even said he wants us to go to counselling. WTF?!
I told him in the last few minutes that I think he needs to move to to the travelodge tonight to give himself space to reflect on the enormous damage he has done to his family.
He says he doesn't want to. He doesn't want to do that to the children.
Good grief. I pointed out to him that this relationship seems to be about all what he wants at the moment, and no, actually that's what I want and he will have to do it.

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Handywoman · 12/01/2014 10:03

That is absolutely fantastic OP. Well done. Stick. To. Your. Guns Thanks

prettyhackedoff · 12/01/2014 10:06

Thank you for the flowers, Hanndywoman.
Can't remember the last time I had any flowers in real life!
Also thank you so much for the kind words and affirmation
Again, I 've had more support and kindness from strangers here overnight than I've had in months from DH.
Thank you everyone.

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AliceinWinterWonderland · 12/01/2014 10:11

Well done OP.

tinyturtletim · 12/01/2014 10:11

You need to kick him out.

Start a new exciting life of your own and have the confidence in you again.

You're children don't need to be doing exams with their parents tearing chunks off each other

prettyhackedoff · 12/01/2014 10:14

What's with it with the sudden need For DH to want to go to counselling?
Not sure what that's all about?

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MissScatterbrain · 12/01/2014 10:15

Wow, you rock!

Not surprised that he couldn't be bothered to get up to take DC to activity - all part of the cheater's pattern of withdrawing from the family.

Funny how as soon you tell him to get out, he changes tack and says he wants to be with you Hmm and as for "try harder to show affection", surely showing your love for another person should not be such hard work.

Remember actions speak louder than words...

MissScatterbrain · 12/01/2014 10:18

The counselling thing could be a delaying/distraction tactic to make you back off and shut up or to make him look like the good guy "hey I tried hard to save the marriage but it wasn't to be...".

prettyhackedoff · 12/01/2014 10:19

MSb,
when he told me he would try harder to show affection etc I said to him, 'you shouldn't need to try so hard, it should come naturally if you love someone.'
and then I said 'actions speak louder than words'
Spooky !
Funny how he's telling me that no one else would feel this way, that no one else would react like this and every single person has said what I have said to him.
Thank you.

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Handywoman · 12/01/2014 10:19

I think he is suggesting counselling in an attempt to justify his behaviour ie the pretence that you are both at fault. But if course the flaws are all his.

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