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I'm so upset and low, Please give me some advice, DH said he's done nothing wrong and it's my fault.

309 replies

prettyhackedoff · 11/01/2014 22:10

Name changed for this. I don't really feel that 'DH' is especially 'D' at the moment.
Apologies that it is long, don't want to drip feed.
We have been together 23 years, married 16 and have 2 kids under 12.
Over the last few months DH has become increasingly critical of me, irritable, short tempered, quick to have an argument about the smallest things. He would also have a go at me about the state of the house, how untidy it is, how unclean it is and how 'he can't live like that any more' (which I took to mean the state of the house). Fair enough, the house has got very cluttered. I work long hours too, I've been getting up at 6 and leaving the house before everyone is awake, then driving almost an hour before getting to work and then putting in a 7 or 12 hour shift in a very stressful job. I find it really hard to have the energy after work, then taking kids to activities, cooking tea, organising everything, etc, doing my CPD in the evenings on line when the kids are finally in bed, to then clean and tidy very much.
DH does no no housework or cleaning.
As the months went by his behaviour got worse, I looked back and realised that the timing coincided with him taking on a new additional management role at work. Since October he had been staying later in the evenings at work (telling me it was because of work). He also seemed more irritable and distracted. I also noticed he was glued to his mobile phone, taking it to the loo, whenever I picked it up, he would snatch it off me, if anyone rang or texted him he'd be jumpy. Naturally I became very suspicious and, asked him on multiple occasions what he was hiding, if something was wrong etc. He would then get very angry, tell me how horrible I was to be suspicious, how terrible it was that I didn't trust him.
He had a week's annual leave with me and the kids at October half term, and he became very irritable, moaning about how 'horrible I was to him, what a mess the house was', etc, and causing arguments.
This happened again during a week's leave he took in December.
The Christmas holidays have been unbearable. My work contract finished just before Christmas and I am now unemployed, and was lucky enough to spend 2 weeks with the kids. DH was dreadful, moaning, irritable, starting arguments and swearing at me. One day the kids and I had a lazy day at home . I had severe sciatica, (he knew this, as we had discussed how much pain I was in). He came home from work late and had a go at me, starting a row about me 'being too lazy to even load the dishwasher'. I had been in so much pain I had spent most of the day in bed or lying on the sofa.
Today I looked at his mobile phone bill for the last month (which is sent to our joint email account, haven't seen any other recent ones) and noticed that he had sent 150 text messages to one number, and multiple phone calls a day to same number. Even phone calls and texts when he was on annual leave. He send text messages to half a dozen other numbers, including mine, and these were in single fingers.
I got hold of his phone, typed up the number, and the name of a female work colleague came up. I went through his phone and there isn't a single message on there to her or from her to be seen.
I confronted him and he said he deleted all the messages because he 'knew I'd be upset if I saw how often he had contacted her' but he had nothing to hide, he hasn't had an affair, she's just a work colleague who he's developed a 'close supportive work relationship' with, and she's only a 'friend' and he's entitled to have a 'friend'. Apparently I 'act like I hate him' (?? ) and again he said it was 'making him stressed that the housework wasn't been done' , that's my fault apparently as 'he doesn't want to spend his weekends doing it.'
We have had a massive row about this. He is adamant he has done nothing wrong, and he 'only deleted the messages because he knew how upset I would be if I saw them' and 'he has not done anything wrong with her'. He only contacted her this frequently' to discuss work'He 'hasn't had sex with her so it can't be an affair' (I asked directly), and that no other man's wife would be bothered or upset by any of this.
He has also become bothered about his weight and appearance excessively in recent months and has lost 1.5 stones.
Interestingly, recently whenever I had voiced my suspicions to him and asked why he was so stressed etc, what was it with him being glued to the phone, etc he told me I was nasty, paranoid, and 'it was all in my head'.
My self esteem has disappeared over the last few months and I have felt unattractive, and unloved. I feel so dreadful tonight.
He is minimising it and I feel he is not being fully honest with me. Again, he has just said he has done nothing wrong and he's sure amongst his work colleagues 'that other people are texting each other that often to talk about work' and that i'm overreacting.
I would be so grateful for an outsider's opinion on this. Am I overreacting ?
Sorry this is so long, thank you for reading this and bearing with me.

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RollerCola · 12/01/2014 10:22

Excellent Pretty! You are absolutely doing the right thing. He needs to know he has crossed the line and there will be consequences.

My H also thought he'd done nothing wrong. You have to spell it out to them.
'You are making inappropriate texts to another woman. You are married to me. This hurts me a lot and I no longer trust you. Therefore you have damaged our marriage and i want you to leave'

Stick to your guns! Good luck.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/01/2014 10:22

What Handywoman wrote re the counselling.

I guess you get nothing from this relationship you have with him because you did not or could not answer that question.

He needs to go to the Travelodge and longer term stay gone from your day to day lives as well.

prettyhackedoff · 12/01/2014 10:26

Sorry Attila,
I didn't choose to not answer that question, I'm not retaining anything my head at the moment as I've had an awful 24 hours and not slept, not functioning very well at the moment.
I don't know what i get from the relationship.

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AliceinWinterWonderland · 12/01/2014 10:29

Counselling - most likely delaying tactic at this point. He'll figure it will take months to get some counselling started and months more to go through the counselling, during which time he'll be working on you to sweep it under the carpet and forget about it. Or if he goes to counselling by himself, he'll come back saying the counsellor agrees with him (whether or not they actually do) that he's done nothing wrong.

He knows what he has done is wrong - otherwise he wouldn't have deleted the messages. He's now trying to bluff his way out of it by pushing the blame and guilt onto you and then hoping you'll be just enough thrown by it to give him another chance. He may (or may not) lay low for a month (or week) and then he'll be right back at it.

prettyhackedoff · 12/01/2014 10:29

Things always seem very straightforward when you read a relationship OP, and to an outsider it's very clear cut what that person should do.
But, of course, real life it isn't quite as easy to do what you know you should do, real life isn't as straightforward as that.

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prettyhackedoff · 12/01/2014 10:34

I've already told him that I suspect he will stop the contact, pretend he's trying to make amends and sweep it under the carpet hoping I will forget about it and will then resume his behaviour.

I couldn't believe when i posted that everything I said to DH was advised on here.
It's like i read out to him a mums net script.
I agree , the counselling is to justify that i'm to blame for this too. He said its for someone to tell him and us how to resolve the' problems'.
I told him he's an adult, responsible for problems of his own making and he should be able to work out himself how to resolve this.

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Lazyjaney · 12/01/2014 10:38

"What's with it with the sudden need For DH to want to go to counselling?"

Delaying tactic/grab the moral high ground in one. But counselling can still easily be done if he doesn't live with you.

LilyBlossom14 · 12/01/2014 10:43

good for you for standing up to him. Tbh nothing he can say or do now will fix or repair what he has done. Even if it is just texts and nothing more, which I doubt, he has treated you appallingly for years.

Please do not worry about the children - they can still see him, and your home without him will be lovely and so calm. As others said no more treading on eggshells, no more of his mess to clear up, no more name calling. You and your children deserve so much more.

Lizzabadger · 12/01/2014 10:44

Good on you Pretty. I wouldn't bother with counselling personally. No point if he's not going to be honest.

LIZS · 12/01/2014 10:47

Well done, pretty .

MrRected · 12/01/2014 10:47

He is having a full blown affair. Takes one (deeply ashamed to admit this from my past - 10 years ago).

I am so sorry.

MrRected · 12/01/2014 10:48

Takes one to know one ... Not sure what happened there.

hollylive · 12/01/2014 10:56

Yes an affair.. I have been through it myself with my exhusband.
I will tell you this .. it is a very hard time your in for..but I found out this.. if an affair becomes public knowledge it hardly ever survives.. and that he will be (making his case against you now.. preparing people.. to show he is the nice guy and you are the unreasonable one) He won't want ANYONE to find out about it.. He will be building up a story . oh my wife is so awful, messy , cold , impossible to live with story.. then poor you .. of course he had to leave.. Don't believe anything he says about you during this time. He is being a dirty deceitful rat not you .. Personally I told everyone the truth about myex and didn't protect him from the consequences people finding out what he had done.. I moved on , heartbroken but with my self respect.. and I met my husband now.. Good luck

LIZS · 12/01/2014 10:58

Are there implications if this comes out in the workplace, do you think ? Make sure you keep hold of copies of financial statements etc.

QuintessentialShadows · 12/01/2014 11:01

What a cock.

He has jeopardized his family with his actions. It is not just about what he is or isnt doing with this woman, but how he has been treating you.
That alone is reason enough to send him to a travelodge.

AliceinWinterWonderland · 12/01/2014 11:03

I may have missed it, but HAVE you told anyone else in RL? Someone supportive to you - family or friend? You really should if you have not.

A few people disgruntled or downright disapproving towards him will mean he has to face consequences, which is what he is desperately trying to avoid.

mumandboys123 · 12/01/2014 11:06

You have described exactly how my ex was with me before he eventually walked out. He had been having an affair for at least 2 years. Please dont' accept this poor behaviour for yourself - you deserve better.

VodkaJelly · 12/01/2014 11:06

Call his bluff OP, if he really feels he has done nothing wrong and no other wife would react like you tell him that you are going to post it all on facebook and ask other women if they would put up with it and if they would have kicked him out.

He would shit himself because a) he doesnt want other people to know and tarnish his good family guy image and b) he knows that what he is doing is wrong and is trying to blame you.

if he honestly thought what he was doing was innocent he wouldnt care if you posted it on facebook to get opinions

*obviously dont put it on facebook, just use it in a "well if it is all so innocent then you wont mind if..." type thing.

prettyhackedoff · 12/01/2014 11:09

Not told anyone in RL yet, although told a friend about the dishwasher incident. She didn't really say much other than say he must be stressed and then and changed the subject.
Don't have anyone i can confide in locally that i would trust. Don't want this in the public domain yet.

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QuintessentialShadows · 12/01/2014 11:12

Did you not find it strange that your friend changed the subject?

alwaysneedaholiday · 12/01/2014 11:25

I'm so sorry this is happening to your family.

I would guess your friend thinks he's a shit already, but didn't want to reveal that to you, so she changed the subject. Perhaps you could talk a bit more to her?

AliceinWinterWonderland · 12/01/2014 11:28

He's counting on the fact that you will not tell anyone so he won't have to deal with disapproval from anyone else and so you won't get any support from anyone else.

LilyBlossom14 · 12/01/2014 11:35

Op please do google gaslighting too - I think it will set off more alarm bells for you.

MILLYMOLLYMANDYMAX · 12/01/2014 11:53

Well done on getting him to move into the Travel Lodge, he might do one of two things when he is away from the family home and that is either try his best to get his foot back through the door or go hell for leather over the new woman.

I only read the first 7 lines of your 1st post before I started to think "affair".

I have a friend who was going through something similar to you. Similar time married etc. The dh thought he was going to walk off into the sunset with new much younger woman. The new much younger woman just thought it was a bit of fun and as df found out she told him she did not want to be saddled with some old guy.

Agree with the WTF about going for counselling definitely think it is purely a time delaying activity to keep his options open.

AgathaF · 12/01/2014 12:36

Perhaps call his bluff with the counselling though, and tell him that if he arranges it, you will be happy to go.

At least then he can't say you are being obstructive etc.