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I'm so upset and low, Please give me some advice, DH said he's done nothing wrong and it's my fault.

309 replies

prettyhackedoff · 11/01/2014 22:10

Name changed for this. I don't really feel that 'DH' is especially 'D' at the moment.
Apologies that it is long, don't want to drip feed.
We have been together 23 years, married 16 and have 2 kids under 12.
Over the last few months DH has become increasingly critical of me, irritable, short tempered, quick to have an argument about the smallest things. He would also have a go at me about the state of the house, how untidy it is, how unclean it is and how 'he can't live like that any more' (which I took to mean the state of the house). Fair enough, the house has got very cluttered. I work long hours too, I've been getting up at 6 and leaving the house before everyone is awake, then driving almost an hour before getting to work and then putting in a 7 or 12 hour shift in a very stressful job. I find it really hard to have the energy after work, then taking kids to activities, cooking tea, organising everything, etc, doing my CPD in the evenings on line when the kids are finally in bed, to then clean and tidy very much.
DH does no no housework or cleaning.
As the months went by his behaviour got worse, I looked back and realised that the timing coincided with him taking on a new additional management role at work. Since October he had been staying later in the evenings at work (telling me it was because of work). He also seemed more irritable and distracted. I also noticed he was glued to his mobile phone, taking it to the loo, whenever I picked it up, he would snatch it off me, if anyone rang or texted him he'd be jumpy. Naturally I became very suspicious and, asked him on multiple occasions what he was hiding, if something was wrong etc. He would then get very angry, tell me how horrible I was to be suspicious, how terrible it was that I didn't trust him.
He had a week's annual leave with me and the kids at October half term, and he became very irritable, moaning about how 'horrible I was to him, what a mess the house was', etc, and causing arguments.
This happened again during a week's leave he took in December.
The Christmas holidays have been unbearable. My work contract finished just before Christmas and I am now unemployed, and was lucky enough to spend 2 weeks with the kids. DH was dreadful, moaning, irritable, starting arguments and swearing at me. One day the kids and I had a lazy day at home . I had severe sciatica, (he knew this, as we had discussed how much pain I was in). He came home from work late and had a go at me, starting a row about me 'being too lazy to even load the dishwasher'. I had been in so much pain I had spent most of the day in bed or lying on the sofa.
Today I looked at his mobile phone bill for the last month (which is sent to our joint email account, haven't seen any other recent ones) and noticed that he had sent 150 text messages to one number, and multiple phone calls a day to same number. Even phone calls and texts when he was on annual leave. He send text messages to half a dozen other numbers, including mine, and these were in single fingers.
I got hold of his phone, typed up the number, and the name of a female work colleague came up. I went through his phone and there isn't a single message on there to her or from her to be seen.
I confronted him and he said he deleted all the messages because he 'knew I'd be upset if I saw how often he had contacted her' but he had nothing to hide, he hasn't had an affair, she's just a work colleague who he's developed a 'close supportive work relationship' with, and she's only a 'friend' and he's entitled to have a 'friend'. Apparently I 'act like I hate him' (?? ) and again he said it was 'making him stressed that the housework wasn't been done' , that's my fault apparently as 'he doesn't want to spend his weekends doing it.'
We have had a massive row about this. He is adamant he has done nothing wrong, and he 'only deleted the messages because he knew how upset I would be if I saw them' and 'he has not done anything wrong with her'. He only contacted her this frequently' to discuss work'He 'hasn't had sex with her so it can't be an affair' (I asked directly), and that no other man's wife would be bothered or upset by any of this.
He has also become bothered about his weight and appearance excessively in recent months and has lost 1.5 stones.
Interestingly, recently whenever I had voiced my suspicions to him and asked why he was so stressed etc, what was it with him being glued to the phone, etc he told me I was nasty, paranoid, and 'it was all in my head'.
My self esteem has disappeared over the last few months and I have felt unattractive, and unloved. I feel so dreadful tonight.
He is minimising it and I feel he is not being fully honest with me. Again, he has just said he has done nothing wrong and he's sure amongst his work colleagues 'that other people are texting each other that often to talk about work' and that i'm overreacting.
I would be so grateful for an outsider's opinion on this. Am I overreacting ?
Sorry this is so long, thank you for reading this and bearing with me.

OP posts:
clam · 12/01/2014 18:01

You could of course have said, "Oh, flowers. Right, because that of course solves ^everything." Hmm

prettyhackedoff · 12/01/2014 18:01

Thank you.
I am going to take a short break from posting here as I am worried he is reading this and I don't want him to have the advantage of knowing what I am thinking, but I appreciate all the support and advice that every poster has given.

OP posts:
AliceinWinterWonderland · 12/01/2014 18:02

You think he's following the thread on here? It's happened before.

AliceinWinterWonderland · 12/01/2014 18:02

oops xpost

Handywoman · 12/01/2014 18:08

Stay safe, Pretty you are doing fine without us, more than fine. Sending these now. For when this horrible day comes to an end for you Wine Wine Wine

AcrossthePond55 · 12/01/2014 18:08

Have you thought about seeing a solicitor ASAP about how (or if) you can get him out of the home legally? I hate to be Debbie Downer, but can you actually make him leave if he refuses? I'm a big one for getting my legal position made clear to me, so that's where I'm coming from with that. Here in the States, it's pretty much a situation of just having to wait the other party out unless if DV is involved or a court orders one party to leave.

Is there someone in his life you could ask to put pressure on him to get out? Relative or friend who might take your part?

Flowers, phffft! I'd've told him to shove them up his a**e and sweep the floor with them. At least then he'd be doing something useful!

You are doing beautifully, OP. Just magnificent, you are!

MissScatterbrain · 12/01/2014 18:10

There is a safe space on here where you can post, PM me if you need to know where it is.

Mr Pretty - I hope reading this thread has made you feel ashamed of yourself and of your selfish cheating actions. Man up and respect your wife by giving her the space and time she so needs - flowers are not going to cut it Hmm

AcrossthePond55 · 12/01/2014 18:10

Xpost, Consider having this thread deleted. You have my best wishes for your future if the thread is deleted and we hear no more from you.

AcrossthePond55 · 12/01/2014 18:12

Oh, and Mr Pretty, if you read this, you are a monumental P*k. The very least you can do is leave. The very least!

HansieMom · 12/01/2014 18:14

Would you bin the flowers before you leave us?

LIZS · 12/01/2014 18:17

Just hand them back . Seems a bit passive/aggressive to bin them.

NumptyNameChange · 12/01/2014 20:29

ahh, supermarket flowers - the answer to everything.

not full disclosure of what he has been doing and treating you with enough respect to be honest with you.

not getting off his lazy, sexist arse and actually sorting out the house that he's so disgusted by (but thinks beneath him to clean up).

not begging forgiveness, not listening to what you have to say and respecting your wishes.

not coming up with any constructive things he can do to address his behaviour.

no, a bunch of dead flowers, that'll do it. i presume you're meant to go, ahhh flowers, that's ok then, i'll just forget about it all now then.

what.a.twat.

ScottishPies · 13/01/2014 00:12

Stay strong Pretty - you know without me needing to tell you that he is trying to manipulating you into doubting yourself.

Remember, he has created this situation, not you - you did not do the texting, he did - yes, all situations are complex and nothing is straight forward but when you were feeling down you tried to sort it out / make the family work, he choice to ignore the family and look out for himself by getting sympathy from someone else.

..and if he is reading this, as someone said up-thread, Mr Pretty you're a total tosser, an emotional coward, get some balls, admit the trueth and move out to the Travel Lodge...its the least you can do!

AgathaF · 13/01/2014 08:13

The irony, after my thanking someone earlier for posting a bunch of flowers and me saying I don't remember when I last had a bunch of flowers he went out to the supermarket earlier and brought home a bunch of flowers, my favourite ones I had in my wedding bouquet.

Clearly he is reading this. OP, I think you are right to stop posting here. Hopefully you can post elsewhere for some support.

prettyhackedoff · 13/01/2014 11:49

Just one last post before i hide this in case DH goes on line tonight to read it.
He told me last night that the woman at work he is texting is effectively his boss, they became 'close' by working in the management team at work.
He says he must only have done this if I had been neglecting him and not meeting his needs.
Doesn't seem able to acknowledge my needs in our marriage or in this car crash.
Finally getting up now. I haven't slept for 2 nights, haven't eaten for 2 days. Feel dreadfully anxious.
It feels as if he has gone to work and is acting like nothing is happening whilst I fall apart.

OP posts:
CocktailQueen · 13/01/2014 11:58

Oh, OP: He's now saying he only did the texting, because I don't appreciate him, and he's done nothing wrong, his other colleagues text each other that often.

What a load of steaming poo!!! If it's all so innocent, then why delete the messages then?

OP, am so sorry. Your h is having an affair and is trying to blame you for it: he must only have done this if I had been neglecting him and not meeting his needs. Classic.

I hope you have RL support. Be strong.

ChilliQueen · 13/01/2014 12:01

CocktailQueen is COMPLETELY right in everything she said. Completely.
You must be strong. Assume THE BOSS is not married?
None of this is your fault. You will get over it, and move on, and be stronger (and no doubt a little thinner - always been my upside in these situations).
Be brave and ask him to leave. Good luck. xxx

fluffyraggies · 13/01/2014 12:02

Try and eat little and often OP Flowers Keep your strength up. Some tasty soup, if you cant face preparing much?

He's not worth making yourself ill over x

prettyhackedoff · 13/01/2014 12:32

Oh dear I have just stupidly googled her name and a picture of her photo on twitter came up. Young blond very pretty and skinny. Sad

OP posts:
ChippingInWadesIn · 13/01/2014 12:34

I think it's wise for you to stop posting on here as it would appear he is reading it.

He has had an affair, there's no doubt about it.

Despite what the halfwit is trying to make you believe you are not paranoid or mad and you are definitely not 'the problem' here. He is. He has a mouth, if he was feeling neglected he only had to talk to you. All of this bullshit is trying to make you the problem and him the poor victim - it's laughable, or would be if it didn't hurt you as much.

He fucked someone else. He did it. Not you.

Apart from that, you were both working full time - why on earth is the house your problem to clean & tidy? How fucking dare he treat you like some kind of skivvy? That alone would have his arse kicked out.

Nothing is going to change. If you let him convince you that it's all your fault and that he's the poor victim in all of this and that you will 'both try harder' (ie YOU will try harder) then it will just give him the impression he can do as he pleases (around the house and with other women).

He is talking about counselling because he has nowhere else to go. Clearly the woman either lives with her parents or is married or simply doesn't want him full time. It's buying him time.

He has no intention of doing anything other than blaming YOU.

Some relationships can get over an affair - but not in the situation you are in. You just can't. If you 'try' he will just do it again and again because he feels entitled. If he had been genuine he would have confessed all, gone to the Travel lodged and told you how wrong he had been. He hasn't - he has stayed, he has lied and he has told you it's all your fault.

If he does that now it's because he has been reading MN and wants to buy more time - don't fall for it.

Your children don't want you to divorce, of course they don't. However, children don't always know what is best for them and certainly if they grow up in this dynamic they will turn around and blame you for not leaving him. He can still do as little for them as he does now, while living in another house - they can go and stay.

ChippingInWadesIn · 13/01/2014 12:41

It might not be her. If I google my own name I am a Doctor, Surgeon, Vet, Artist and (randomly) a Sailor - I am none of those Grin Lots of photos, none of them mine.

Even if it is her - so what? She's pretty & slim... and?? She was probably in nappies when you two met. He's a cheating bastard, but she's a twat having an affair with a married man... in no way does she compare with you, none. How long exactly do you think that would last? She's a willing fuck who strokes his ego - that's all. But frankly, she would be more than welcome to him if I was married to him. There would be no going back from this.

ChilliQueen · 13/01/2014 12:48

They always are blonde, pretty and slim. To be fair you'd worry if it was someone really ugly! What men often fail to realise is the grass is never greener. Often appears to be. But it's always short-lived. I suggest you pack him a little suitcase of things he'll need and leave it by the front door.

tribpot · 13/01/2014 12:56

He says he must only have done this if I had been neglecting him and not meeting his needs.

But since all his colleagues text each other constantly, it must logically follow that all of them have spouses who have been neglecting them and failing to meet their needs. What an unfortunate workplace! What are the odds of every single person having an unsupportive spouse at home? It almost seems too coincidental to be true.

It's not your job to keep him from straying. It's not your fault if he does, these are his poor choices that he is trying to project on to you to keep you from chucking him out on his arse.

BrunoBrookesDinedAlone · 13/01/2014 12:57

Young, blonde, pretty, skinny... and a stupid twat.

And that's all you need to know - forget about her.

I agree with packing his bags. Whatever the outcome might be, right now you need two things - 1. space from him, and 2. for him to see that he's crossed the biggest line he ever could.

After that, maybe you can start to talk. But NOT when he's fondly imagining that after you've had your little rant, it's business as usual.

AgathaF · 13/01/2014 13:00

Don't fret about what she looks like. It might not be her, and if it is you can be sure that she has put her very best photo on Twatter. No-one's going to put the photo of them looking rough in the morning are they?

Bit dodgy getting close to his manager/boss though. Most companies don't like that sort of carry on.

Clearly he is still in 'blame the wife' mode. Not meeting his needs and neglecting him, my arse. Couldn't he have discussed it with you in a kind and caring way if he was feeling unhappy? Of course he could. However, he either a) didn't want to, which makes him somewhat of an idiot, or b) wasn't unhappy anyway, but is just making excuses for his shockingly bad behaviour too late in the day.

I know you are shocked and struggling with this at the moment, but could you use the rest of the day proactively to get some legal advice for yourself sorted (most sols give a free half hour appointment), and maybe get him a bag packed and left out so he can give you some space for a few days? Obviously, you shouldn't need to do that, but he is clearly not taking your request for him to move out for a while seriously, so perhaps a little push in the right direction would help on that score.

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